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    For whatever reason, I find that I get along exceptionally well with Deltas, despite the fact that I am Alpha to the bone. Mostly I admire their ability to be productive and enjoy it, it seems like a wonderful balance to my excessively erratic productivity. Additionally, I find their apparent calm very soothing after all my excessive craziness. It's as though, after years of insanity, it's nice to settle down every once and a while to something so unwaveringly stable as a Delta. I know that too much of that Delta calm without enough of my Alpha crazy would make me either depressed or claustrophobic, but being around Deltas is always like a big breath of fresh air for me.

    Generally, what I wonder is if the quadras outside our own to which we relate the best can be used to help pinpoint where we fit in our own quadras. This sort of occurred to me while chatting with munenori and udp over the past several days. I find that I get along well with munenori via a mutual Ne perspective on things, which often translates to our sense of humour (or at least this is how it appears from my perspective). Meanwhile udp and I generally get along well, and his caregiver temperament as well as the way he uses Si when we chat makes me comfortable so long as it doesn't infringe on my ability to channel my own functions (Ne and Ti). If you consider these attitudes and the fact that I generally tend to enjoy more Delta's then I do Betas, it seems fairly evident that I value Ne or Si over Ti or Fe. From there you can see how I react to ST's and NF's and perhaps get a better sense of what my base and what I merely value.

    This strategy would only really work if you were confident about your own quadra and you had a reasonable understanding of yourself, but I thought it was sort of interesting. Actually, this thread was never supposed to be about using relations between quadras to type, it was just something that occurred to me while I was writing about how I like Deltas and how I kind of want to indulge in some Delta calm right now.
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    I love and admire Deltas too. Especially ENFps. <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I love and admire Deltas too. Especially ENFps. <3
    I love and admire Deltas too. Especially ISTps. <2
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    I love and admire all deltas! Except ISTp. I don't really get the point of being ISTp, lol. But they can hang around with me, I guess, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I love and admire all deltas! Except ISTp. I don't really get the point of being ISTp, lol. But they can hang around with me, I guess, lol.
    Awww, but the ISTps are integral to the atmosphere of 'Delta calm' you were raving about.
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    I like Delta as long as they don't get too controlling. I like sharing experiences with them and I can tell we get a lot of similar things out of experiences.

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    Yeah, but their delta calm doesn't make as much sense to me. I don't think I know any SLIs to be honest. But in general I feel a little closer to NF's because they have the same static outlook and we can bond over Ego Ne. STs are more like Alpha caregiver substitutes, minus the excitement of Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    Awww, but the ISTps are integral to the atmosphere of 'Delta calm' you were raving about.
    have to agree with that, and the general notion of the original thread. it's one of the primary reasons why an alpha like me is going to marry an ISTp. also, i find them less fussed about *why* things are, and more accepting. it may contribute to the feeling of calm i get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I love and admire all deltas! Except ISTp. I don't really get the point of being ISTp, lol. But they can hang around with me, I guess, lol.
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    See! See what I mean?! He's being so damn contrary! Somebody pump some Fi in here and mediate. I WANT MY LAWYER! I'm going to charge you with harrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    For whatever reason, I find that I get along exceptionally well with Deltas, despite the fact that I am Alpha to the bone. Mostly I admire their ability to be productive and enjoy it, it seems like a wonderful balance to my excessively erratic productivity. Additionally, I find their apparent calm very soothing after all my excessive craziness. It's as though, after years of insanity, it's nice to settle down every once and a while to something so unwaveringly stable as a Delta. I know that too much of that Delta calm without enough of my Alpha crazy would make me either depressed or claustrophobic, but being around Deltas is always like a big breath of fresh air for me.

    Generally, what I wonder is if the quadras outside our own to which we relate the best can be used to help pinpoint where we fit in our own quadras. This sort of occurred to me while chatting with munenori and udp over the past several days. I find that I get along well with munenori via a mutual Ne perspective on things, which often translates to our sense of humour (or at least this is how it appears from my perspective). Meanwhile udp and I generally get along well, and his caregiver temperament as well as the way he uses Si when we chat makes me comfortable so long as it doesn't infringe on my ability to channel my own functions (Ne and Ti). If you consider these attitudes and the fact that I generally tend to enjoy more Delta's then I do Betas, it seems fairly evident that I value Ne or Si over Ti or Fe. From there you can see how I react to ST's and NF's and perhaps get a better sense of what my base and what I merely value.

    This strategy would only really work if you were confident about your own quadra and you had a reasonable understanding of yourself, but I thought it was sort of interesting. Actually, this thread was never supposed to be about using relations between quadras to type, it was just something that occurred to me while I was writing about how I like Deltas and how I kind of want to indulge in some Delta calm right now.
    I pretty much feel the same way about Alphas.
    Actually, while I love being with Deltas, I find they can get a little 'too' comfertable, a little too focused on their surrounding reality and I love the Alphian's ability to just fuck with my senses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    For whatever reason, I find that I get along exceptionally well with Deltas, despite the fact that I am Alpha to the bone. Mostly I admire their ability to be productive and enjoy it, it seems like a wonderful balance to my excessively erratic productivity. Additionally, I find their apparent calm very soothing after all my excessive craziness. It's as though, after years of insanity, it's nice to settle down every once and a while to something so unwaveringly stable as a Delta. I know that too much of that Delta calm without enough of my Alpha crazy would make me either depressed or claustrophobic, but being around Deltas is always like a big breath of fresh air for me.

    Generally, what I wonder is if the quadras outside our own to which we relate the best can be used to help pinpoint where we fit in our own quadras. This sort of occurred to me while chatting with munenori and udp over the past several days. I find that I get along well with munenori via a mutual Ne perspective on things, which often translates to our sense of humour (or at least this is how it appears from my perspective). Meanwhile udp and I generally get along well, and his caregiver temperament as well as the way he uses Si when we chat makes me comfortable so long as it doesn't infringe on my ability to channel my own functions (Ne and Ti). If you consider these attitudes and the fact that I generally tend to enjoy more Delta's then I do Betas, it seems fairly evident that I value Ne or Si over Ti or Fe. From there you can see how I react to ST's and NF's and perhaps get a better sense of what my base and what I merely value.

    This strategy would only really work if you were confident about your own quadra and you had a reasonable understanding of yourself, but I thought it was sort of interesting. Actually, this thread was never supposed to be about using relations between quadras to type, it was just something that occurred to me while I was writing about how I like Deltas and how I kind of want to indulge in some Delta calm right now.
    I agree, especially the way LV put it regarding alphas from a delta perspective. Alpha atmospheres can just be so damn fun! Plus they can talk about fascinating topics and actually get somewhere, which always amazes me.

    I know supervision is supposed to be a bad relation, but all the ILEs I've met so far have been pretty awesome people to hang around and talk to (while I bash them with my club).
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    mn0, can you give an example of how UDP uses Si on you?

    my best friend is an Ne INFj. My best coworker is ISTp. Some of my admired women are ESTj.

    I do feel very comfortable around deltas and I think I have more delta than alpha friends. I know that I am alpha though. I do feel the tension with the Ti and Fe.. but my INFj friend seems more open to understanding me than judge me. However I can't bring myself to show my most soiled side to her. She's too pure in my eyes. That's for INFps.

    With the Te ego types I do feel they are too pushy, and that's what makes male ESTjs so frustrating in my experience. I can't help but be physically attracted to them, but i hate how they will not allow me to Ti. To me, it seems stifling and controlling. the only thing to do is to mindlessly be attracted.

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    Ms K had a question for you, mn0

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    mn0, can you give an example of how UDP uses Si on you?

    my best friend is an Ne INFj. My best coworker is ISTp. Some of my admired women are ESTj.

    I do feel very comfortable around deltas and I think I have more delta than alpha friends. I know that I am alpha though. I do feel the tension with the Ti and Fe.. but my INFj friend seems more open to understanding me than judge me. However I can't bring myself to show my most soiled side to her. She's too pure in my eyes. That's for INFps.

    With the Te ego types I do feel they are too pushy, and that's what makes male ESTjs so frustrating in my experience. I can't help but be physically attracted to them, but i hate how they will not allow me to Ti. To me, it seems stifling and controlling. the only thing to do is to mindlessly be attracted.
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    To sum up my feelings for Deltas:

    -ESTjs - respect
    -INFjs - admiration
    -ENFps - affection
    -ISTps - frustration (in the sense of being frustrated that I don't know what they're thinking)
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    Aw - poor Gamma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Deltas are like older siblings to me in the sense that I'm mostly in awe of them. Particularly INFjs, because the way they use Fi is very relaxed and accepting. And rather than condemning me outright for my social mistakes (an ISFj would scream or give me that dissatisfied look which I shudder thinking about), they direct me with subtelty in the proper direction with a few kindly-put statements. I don't usually feel bad listening to their advice.

    Betas are like younger siblings. I'm aware of their capabilities (which are immense), but the atmosphere they generate is sometimes too frivolous for my taste, and it feels like my place is to help them see a higher potential for these capabilities... but it's really annoying always pretending to be caught up in the group-solidarity of their beta Fe... in my experience, you have to show some acceptance of their system to hang out with them. Except INFps and some ESTps, who are pretty cool. That said, I usually just nod at their ideas and move on to a more interesting topic.

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    There are many more positives as well as negatives for each of the quadras... but its too long to list here.
    delta rationals to me are more like grandparents. lol. irrationals are like compadres.

    beta rationals are like younger sibs....the irrationals are like partners in crime.

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    I generally feel the same way, alphas are very easy to get along with, especially if I'm just hanging out. But sometimes when I really want to get something done, working with alphas can get difficult due to the Ti/Fe vs. Te/Fi disconnect.

    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    If you consider these attitudes and the fact that I generally tend to enjoy more Delta's then I do Betas, it seems fairly evident that I value Ne or Si over Ti or Fe. From there you can see how I react to ST's and NF's and perhaps get a better sense of what my base and what I merely value.
    Just curious, what subtype system are you using when you type yourself as ILE-Ti? According to some other subtype systems (where an ILE-Ti would be more like an SLE-Ti and an ILE-Ne would be more like an IEE-Ne), you'd be the Ne subtype if you do indeed value Ne/Si more than Ti/Fe)

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    I did a thread on this not so long ago. I made a poll of Alpha's favourite quadras (I believe delta won). I made it because like you, I love Delta! I have little care for the rest of the quadras... it's all Alpha and Delta to me! xx
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    I tend to get that a lot from other types, that I bring a calm and light heartedness to situations, and really I never saw myself that way. But it works! My best friend is an ENTp and I know how interesting it is to be around Alphas, things only go wrong with me really when Ti comes out of no where and in reaction I bring out Fi and that gets messy. And yeah, you guys are very distracting for working on projects with, I like the help in getting ideas but then when it comes to the actual work the Alphas I know do help ground me at all, and nothing ever gets done

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere
    Just curious, what subtype system are you using when you type yourself as ILE-Ti? According to some other subtype systems (where an ILE-Ti would be more like an SLE-Ti and an ILE-Ne would be more like an IEE-Ne), you'd be the Ne subtype if you do indeed value Ne/Si more than Ti/Fe)
    Ah, you bring up a great flaw in my argument! This is how I will explain it: Your base function is your primary mode of taking in the world, while your creative is how you will apply things. This is why introverts will have an introverted base and extroverts will have an extroverted base. Because I'm Ne-leading (regardless of sub-type) I'll have a certain inclination to tend towards Ne perceptions. As a Ti sub-type being surrounded by Ne/Si communicators means that I can direct my attention away from Ne while others provide me pieces of it and I can focus more on my Ti aspect, which makes me more relaxed and content with Ne/Si types. If, as a Ti-subtype, I spent all my time around other Ti/Fe valuing types outside of my quadra it would be like an overload. I would have TOO much Ti and the imbalance with my other valued functions would make it difficult for me to process anything. Call it "sensory" overload.

    Now, the reason I consider myself a Ti-ILE is that I'm content with a balance of Ne and Si. In fact, I'm happiest when those two functions are in relative balance (although I'm generally disinclined to do much with Si unless someone else is doing it to). Instead I put a greater emphasis on my Ti, to the point where I'm sometimes oblivious to my surroundings (I nearly got hit by a car four times on Sunday because I was totally out to lunch) and also makes me less likely to be that inventor stereotype and more of a systematic philosopher, making sense of abstract quantities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Ah, you bring up a great flaw in my argument! This is how I will explain it: Your base function is your primary mode of taking in the world, while your creative is how you will apply things. This is why introverts will have an introverted base and extroverts will have an extroverted base. Because I'm Ne-leading (regardless of sub-type) I'll have a certain inclination to tend towards Ne perceptions. As a Ti sub-type being surrounded by Ne/Si communicators means that I can direct my attention away from Ne while others provide me pieces of it and I can focus more on my Ti aspect, which makes me more relaxed and content with Ne/Si types. If, as a Ti-subtype, I spent all my time around other Ti/Fe valuing types outside of my quadra it would be like an overload. I would have TOO much Ti and the imbalance with my other valued functions would make it difficult for me to process anything. Call it "sensory" overload.

    Now, the reason I consider myself a Ti-ILE is that I'm content with a balance of Ne and Si. In fact, I'm happiest when those two functions are in relative balance (although I'm generally disinclined to do much with Si unless someone else is doing it to). Instead I put a greater emphasis on my Ti, to the point where I'm sometimes oblivious to my surroundings (I nearly got hit by a car four times on Sunday because I was totally out to lunch) and also makes me less likely to be that inventor stereotype and more of a systematic philosopher, making sense of abstract quantities.
    *attempts to follow logic*...
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    damn that Ti role!!!


    haha nah, that makes sense, very interesting way to look at it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I find that I get along well with munenori via a mutual Ne perspective on things, which often translates to our sense of humour (or at least this is how it appears from my perspective).
    Now that you know mune is a SEI, will you please admit that it's normal Judicious behaviour and stfu about me being an ILE?

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    I've been hanging out with a group of primarily Deltas lately. Mostly males, 1 or 2 females at times, most of them are single and they seem unmotivated to change this. So far there have usually been 4-7 of us at a time, and here's what I've noticed.

    1) Eating has to be done early in the evening and usually is quite a big process. Another group of deltas, mostly female, I used to hang out with, would try to feed me immediately when I showed up, and be fixing coffee/tea/treats the whole night. Love it.
    2) They REALLY like physical activity, half of their suggestions for things to do include going outside and doing some kind of sport or excercise.
    3) The STs seem really into "pranks", on individuals, or even to the extent of destroying property.
    4) After the initial planned activities they all get bored and no one has ideas of what to do. Everyone kind of lounges around and makes a lot of silly jokes for a while.
    5) Eventually the LSE, usually in conjunction with the IEE, will initiate some manner of "serious" conversation about people they know or social issues or morality. This continues for hours until it's late in the evening and everyone drives home exhausted.

    I like hanging out with Deltas because their Ne/Si is always pretty chill, they're usually not constantly talking in an exhausting fashion like Betas, and they have good food. Their Fi doesn't really bother me too much because they're all pretty nice. My favorite is the ISTp dude who is incredibly lazy and a great person.

    I do get really bored when they hit the point where the conversation gets very Te/Fi as in 5. I don't care about most social issues, and they're not enthusiastic about my joking stereotypes of different opinions/values - this is SRS BZNESS. Once they start talking about the motivations of the actions of people they know (he doesn't do x because he FEELS blah blah blah) I start to zone out and have absolutely nothing to contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banana Pancakes View Post
    I've been hanging out with a group of primarily Deltas lately. Mostly males, 1 or 2 females at times, most of them are single and they seem unmotivated to change this. So far there have usually been 4-7 of us at a time, and here's what I've noticed.

    1) Eating has to be done early in the evening and usually is quite a big process. Another group of deltas, mostly female, I used to hang out with, would try to feed me immediately when I showed up, and be fixing coffee/tea/treats the whole night. Love it.
    2) They REALLY like physical activity, half of their suggestions for things to do include going outside and doing some kind of sport or excercise.
    3) The STs seem really into "pranks", on individuals, or even to the extent of destroying property.
    4) After the initial planned activities they all get bored and no one has ideas of what to do. Everyone kind of lounges around and makes a lot of silly jokes for a while.
    5) Eventually the LSE, usually in conjunction with the IEE, will initiate some manner of "serious" conversation about people they know or social issues or morality. This continues for hours until it's late in the evening and everyone drives home exhausted.

    I like hanging out with Deltas because their Ne/Si is always pretty chill, they're usually not constantly talking in an exhausting fashion like Betas, and they have good food. Their Fi doesn't really bother me too much because they're all pretty nice. My favorite is the ISTp dude who is incredibly lazy and a great person.

    I do get really bored when they hit the point where the conversation gets very Te/Fi as in 5. I don't care about most social issues, and they're not enthusiastic about my joking stereotypes of different opinions/values - this is SRS BZNESS. Once they start talking about the motivations of the actions of people they know (he doesn't do x because he FEELS blah blah blah) I start to zone out and have absolutely nothing to contribute.

    Overall good people.
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    I think that could be said for pretty much any groups of people.

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    this is funny. But funny things are usually true I guess...I think the activities Deltas do vary a lot, but the ESTj/ENFp discussion of morality or Fi-issues LOL...yeah I enjoy that a lot actually.

    It is all very serious

    I'm not sure about the actual activities though. My friends and I usually go out. The two times we went to someone's apmt there were lots of snacks (usually desert-focused) and hot chocolate/tea/coffee involved though...you could be onto something there...and I could definitely end up in a "serious" discussion w/ an ESTj about some issue, but I'd rather keep things light if it's in a big group.

    I'd suspect the ESTj and ENFp would team up to think of a fun place to go.

    I usually really like Alphas, though that silly sense of humor can confuse me at times (I want to understand it, but don't always get the joke), but it is still cute even if I don't fully understand it
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    Singularity may be right in that, generally, this could be any group. For example, with my group of friends what Banana Pancakes wrote describes our dynamic very well. My group consists of members of every quadra. But if it is Delta, I agree with everything except for the early dinner. I don't really care when we eat as long as we do as we planned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banana Pancakes View Post
    I don't care about most social issues, and they're not enthusiastic about my joking stereotypes of different opinions/values - this is SRS BZNESS. Once they start talking about the motivations of the actions of people they know (he doesn't do x because he FEELS blah blah blah) I start to zone out and have absolutely nothing to contribute.
    I've had the exact same experience.

    I think that if some Delta were to talk about motivations with me now I'd be able to engage more, but still have a Fe humor thrown into it which seems to go over their head.

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