Ezra's Gamma

[Wynch]

Just throwing this out there, but what about Fi/Se? I mean personally I can totally see Ti in a role function for you, Ezra. I wouldn't be convinced about Ti PoLR, you're more than capable of constructing a logical argument, I just think that you often let your personal feelings for a subject get caught up in them and therefore can no longer be bothered to work in the realm of a calmly Ti discussion. Additionally, your dislike for the Fi description with ribbons is really more of an intuitive interpretation of Fi than a sensing interpretation. I don't know, you strike me an S-type. You've also discussed before how you dislike the abstracted nature of intuitives, particularly when we were discussing Leon's type previously. Could that not put Ne in PoLR? I mean the ribbons description would definitely throw you off wrt Fi if Ne was in PoLR. Additionally, ESI is a more ethics and integrity related Fi due to the influence of Se. Less about the intimacy between people and more about character.

Has no one else seen ESI in Ezra? I don't know you all that well, but I can see it as a distinct possibility.

[JuJu]

has every type been suggested for Ezra? lol

if anyone wants an unbiased opinion on the subject, i will attempt to give one--if it's wanted.

[Wynch]

Well I consider my opinion unbiased, since what type Ezra is really makes no difference to me. I'm just suggesting possibilities from what I've observed of him. Additionally, I've always seen Ezra as an XSI. But I would love to hear your opinion Juju. Seeing all the possibilities and opinions of people helps put a matter into proper perspective.

[ScarlettLux]

SEE was pretty much one big joke, to be honest. I was too easily convinced by small pieces of evidence; caught up in making quick, instinctive decisions.

Told ya!

[Ezra]

Get this: I was reading Ti and Fi descriptions today and I could see none of them as my PoLR.

Ribbons? Expat talked once about how Fi was like laser beams, is that what you mean?

Yes.

Give you a specific instance involving you and someone else?

Please, if you could.

What do you mean into your character? Wouldn't it be helping you see other people's character?

No, it would be helping me to see how others perceive me, which in turn means I learn more about the ways in which I act, and how others view the ways in which I act, intended or unintended. It's complex in words, but it's actually a very simple concept.

So, are you saying that while you don't get it at all, you're not adverse to hearing about it? Particularly as it relates to how people feel about you?

I don't know what I don't get any more. It's too fucking tiring to attempt to understand this shit anymore.

Just throwing this out there, but what about Fi/Se? I mean personally I can totally see Ti in a role function for you, Ezra. I wouldn't be convinced about Ti PoLR, you're more than capable of constructing a logical argument, I just think that you often let your personal feelings for a subject get caught up in them and therefore can no longer be bothered to work in the realm of a calmly Ti discussion. Additionally, your dislike for the Fi description with ribbons is really more of an intuitive interpretation of Fi than a sensing interpretation. I don't know, you strike me an S-type. You've also discussed before how you dislike the abstracted nature of intuitives, particularly when we were discussing Leon's type previously. Could that not put Ne in PoLR? I mean the ribbons description would definitely throw you off wrt Fi if Ne was in PoLR. Additionally, ESI is a more ethics and integrity related Fi due to the influence of Se. Less about the intimacy between people and more about character.

Has no one else seen ESI in Ezra? I don't know you all that well, but I can see it as a distinct possibility.

Joy thinks I could be ESI. Talk to her about it.

has every type been suggested for Ezra?

Beta and Gamma have been considered.

[Minde]

Get this: I was reading Ti and Fi descriptions today and I could see none of them as my PoLR.

Perhaps because you are neither.

Yes.

Ok, taking it out of socionics talk for a moment - there's you and there's me. We have a bond, a connection. Just me talking to you is a connection because it has interaction. In fact, there doesn't even need to be talking. I have a connection, albeit very faint, with, say, the person I walk around on the street or the cashier to whom I give money for my groceries. The more interaction, though, the more of a relationship there is, the "bigger" the connection. Those connections between people who interact is what I believe Expat meant by his "lasers".

So, there's the presence of the connection. But there's also the quality, which includes how easy it is to build the connection, how stable it is, how helpful or beneficial it is (to either parties), etc. There's also, hm, what type of connection. For example, my connection with the kid who cleans dishes where I work and who I joke with a lot but don't see very often is different than the connection I have with the girl I mentor. And both are different than the connection I share with my grandmother. All three are different from the connection I have with my dog. Those are obvious differences, but there are all sorts of finer and more subtle differences - between each individual and often between time periods.

It can take a lot of effort to keep track of all those connections, even though most of it is very intuitive (not in the socionics sense) and I don't even think about it. So I like it, once I get a connection to a good or acceptable point, for it to remain so and not keep shifting around.

Just taking socionics out of it for a moment - wiping it from your brain - does what I just said resonate with you at all? Can you see how your connection with Leon, for example, is different from your connection with your math professor (if you have one)?

Please, if you could.

A specific example might be Implied. While usually nice and pretty responsible and reasonable, she can be a bit unstable at times, unpredictably cutting or bruising others for her own emotional comfort and/or entertainment. Even though this is what I see and "know" and I don't particularly like that aspect of her, I still like her as a person. However, knowing what I do about her personality and character I take certain precautions, even if that just means accepting that I might get that sort of treatment from her at some point. (Although, I doubt I really have to worry as I don't usually end up where others do who have gotten her "bad" treatment. I know what to avoid.)

You, however, despite having access to the same and probably more information about her, opened yourself to getting in the wrong position, her bad/uncaring side. And seemed surprised about it, as if you didn't expect or accept that possibility.

I don't know what I don't get any more. It's too fucking tiring to attempt to understand this shit anymore.

You know, millions of people, the world over and throughout human history, have managed to live happy and fulfilled and meaningful lives without socionics. Yes, I know - amazing, but true.

I'm a bit frustrated with it all, too, so I don't blame you. To me, it at least has the benefit of being an interesting mental toy as well as being an avenue to meeting interesting people, so I'm probably not going to completely drop it completely. But I'm not going to take it too seriously, either. There's no use in making myself fruitlessly frustrated. So, I will (mostly) refrain from it and instead focus on things that I can get more out of.

[ScarlettLux]

You know, millions of people, the world over and throughout human history, have managed to live happy and fulfilled and meaningful lives without socionics. Yes, I know - amazing, but true.

So going in my signature!

Yeah, I dunno Ezra to me feels like either SLE or LSI. I see all over the place, and if he does not feel like Fi is his PoLR, then Role may make sense. However, I am still inclined to stick with SLE-Ti.