Jesus glam sneezed, she's a definite Fe creative now.
Jesus glam sneezed, she's a definite Fe creative now.
lolOriginally Posted by glamourama
Allie is ENTp imo. Her Fi PoLR is very clear to me, everything she does reeks of it.
In my opinion, Hotel is mixing up Se with a simple Fi PoLR. All of the things he quoted only sound aggressive. What she is doing by saying these things is looking for a Fe response. I know ENTp in real life that say the things she says, they just have a weird sense of humor.
But then you're thinking, Kamangir hasn't disproved ESTp yet. Allie stays up very late chatting on stickam a lot of the time, and she once told me she wishes that someone would just "force" her to sleep sometimes, throw her in the bed and make her stay there. She seeks Si for sure. And she always has those weird ideas. And when confronted with Garmon's Se seeking bullshit one time, she had no idea what to do. All she could say was "uhhh ok, w/e". She was out of her Ne element. That is not how an ESTp would act, not at all.
I personally believe that Allie is an ENTp with severely latent Ti and clear Ne. But it is still there. No other type fits as well.
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Good points.
She is an ILE, she posts like a female version of me.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
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-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Sorry for taking so long to respond myself:
Be more specific please. How am I dominant and confrontational?Allie consistently acts dominant and uses confrontational language in the chatroom.
A random user came in (a guy dressed like a woman and singing like one) and while I wasn't really interested in him, while they were leaving people in the chat were asking whether they were male or female. I said they were definitely male. I didn't describe them or anything like that, I just made a comment.She and Ashton (or Ezra, maybe, I can't remember) were talking at length about whether some random person that came into the chatroom looked male or female (gay or straight?), which to me clearly is all about Se - picking up on the details of a person's external appearance.
However, regardless of what I said about a cross dresser... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Commenting on the sex of an individual is not type related.
In what way? I doubt anyone would describe my behavior as a suppression of my emotions.She also has this kind of stand-offish way of communicating, like she's intentionally suppressing expression of her emotions to tone down the atmosphere (id Fe).
Oh, that's right!But at the same time she finds ways to subtly express her attraction, repulsion, or disgust with other people (ego Fi).
I'm Fi dominant/creative because I have the ability to form an opinion regarding other people and express it aloud...
No. I believe that most of these examples of attraction, repulsion, disgust are not genuine emotions... No one on this forum disgusts/repulses me... and I doubt I've ever expressed a genuine attraction for anyone on the internet at all. If you took me literally for what I've been saying, I would be in love with almost everyone on here and I'd also be angry/jealous of/hating/bothered by/etc all the people on Stickam. This is not true.
If I am misinterpreting what you meant by this, please clarify.
I did not take it "personally" however I did demand evidence. I apologize that it bothered you that I asked for a reasoning behind a typing, and then gave you a hard time for not being able to do that. I'm not sure how you relate this to Se and Te...When I suggested Gamma SF was not such a bad suggestion, she immediately took it personally and demanded that I give evidence. I said she had said lots of SeFi stuff, but I couldn't remember exactly what. (She gave me a really hard time for this, which I think has to do with valued Se and Te - expecting me to communicate with very concrete observable data.)
I just wanted to understand your point of view.
I responded twice already to you when you brought this up. But here goes:I eventually pointed out that it often seems like she's bragging ("I'm all the types"), even if it is just a joke, which it usually is.
1. I would never brag about something that both does not exist and also could not possibly exist.
2. It was a joke.
3. Because of reasons 1 and 2, anything you have to say about my "bragging" isn't even worth discussing.
Of course not, I have limited knowledge of socionics, which I thought was obvious to anyone who's ever had a conversation with me.In response she had zero arguments for ILE,
Um, I don't remember saying the quote above.and in my opinion barely even tried ("Well, it's just, you know, I'm more Ne and Ti than Se and Fi").Very good evidence for Super-Ego Ti, or even PoLR."
But even if I did, I can't grasp exactly what your point is... Why should I try to argue with you when I know almost nothing about the functions?
I'm weak logic? I think that's a contradictory idea.
Someone who uses logic would surely feel more comfortable using it to make arguments, such as myself. However, without the knowledge that they need to make that argument, what are they supposed to base their argument on? Bullshit?
Sure. Let's bullshit an argument for the purpose of being right in a chat room full of people WHO RESEARCH THE SUBJECT! Now see, doing that would be weak logic.
Perhaps I just don't want to be ignorant.
Last edited by Lotus; 06-02-2008 at 02:25 PM.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Allie can I lick you and see if you taste like an ENTp?
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
Honestly I think this is the only way you can tell.
Why?
I asked to read it so he forwarded it to me as well.
Some are, actually.
Wow. These are both interesting points. Does anyone else see this?
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
NO! NEITHER OF YOU ARE LICKING ME!!
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
I have to say that as each day goes by I'm more and more amazed at the level of evidence I have to accumulate before I start really trying to pin someone's personality down as a type. Why do people always seem to let this get in the way of just interacting and getting along with others?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
get out of socionics, hippy!
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
According to hotelambush, having/sharing personal feelings is Fi, describing an appearance is Se (disregard sentience, people), and being assertive is Se. I'm glad Allie just owned the shit out of him and his weak ass argument. Hopefully other rational people can see that she is ENTp based off of that nice demonstration of Ti.
lolz think again
jk
Beautiful Ti right here, as strrrng noted.Sorry for taking so long to respond myself:
Be more specific please. How am I dominant and confrontational?
A random user came in (a guy dressed like a woman and singing like one) and while I wasn't really interested in him, while they were leaving people in the chat were asking whether they were male or female. I said they were definitely male. I didn't describe them or anything like that, I just made a comment.
However, regardless of what I said about a cross dresser... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Commenting on the sex of an individual is not type related.
In what way? I doubt anyone would describe my behavior as a suppression of my emotions.
Oh, that's right!
I'm Fi dominant/creative because I have the ability to form an opinion regarding other people and express it aloud...
No. I believe that most of these examples of attraction, repulsion, disgust are not genuine emotions... No one on this forum disgusts/repulses me... and I doubt I've ever expressed a genuine attraction for anyone on the internet at all. If you took me literally for what I've been saying, I would be in love with almost everyone on here and I'd also be angry/jealous of/hating/bothered by/etc all the people on Stickam. This is not true.
If I am misinterpreting what you meant by this, please clarify.
I did not take it "personally" however I did demand evidence. I apologize that it bothered you that I asked for a reasoning behind a typing, and then gave you a hard time for not being able to do that. I'm not sure how you relate this to Se and Te...
I just wanted to understand your point of view.
I responded twice already to you when you brought this up. But here goes:
1. I would never brag about something that both does not exist and also could not possibly exist.
2. It was a joke.
3. Because of reasons 1 and 2, anything you have to say about my "bragging" isn't even worth discussing.
Of course not, I have limited knowledge of socionics, which I thought was obvious to anyone who's ever had a conversation with me.
Um, I don't remember saying the quote above.
But even if I did, I can't grasp exactly what your point is... Why should I try to argue with you when I know almost nothing about the functions?
I'm weak logic? I think that's a contradictory idea.
Someone who uses logic would surely feel more comfortable using it to make arguments, such as myself. However, without the knowledge that they need to make that argument, what are they supposed to base their argument on? Bullshit?
Sure. Let's bullshit an argument for the purpose of being right in a chat room full of people WHO RESEARCH THE SUBJECT! Now see, doing that would be weak logic.
Perhaps I just don't want to be ignorant.
she essentially was systematically picking apart the internal structure of the arguments at hand, noticing inconsistencies, etc. It was like she was leveraging a bunch of variables (Ne) that tied together a central concept/principle.
Yeah, Ti wasn't that readily apparent to me, other than the middle bit about her bragging being pretty much a non-issue or the end about why she hasn't felt the need (or maybe capability is a better way to phrase it) to put forth arguments as to justifying her type, but wtf do I know about Ti?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
It was the method by which she analyzed it - not the actual act itself.
ENTp... Seems awesome too.I haven't had much direct interaction with her, but what she's written is compatible with ENTp, for sure... (This isn't as shallow a typing as this post would have you believe, I'm just headin out now.)
Not the point. It was the way that Allie expressed herself that made it what it was.
Let's not forget that you're Ni-INFp, so your Ti is very much there and used.
weirdThey're been discussing this in Stickam for an hour now.
Gilly and Dee think I'm beta.
I could see this.
i also think shes ENTp.
I agree. When talking to her personally, this is one of the things that stood out most clearly to her. She seemed unwilling to express any more resolution concerning any of the other functions but Fi, and she knew she was weak in it.
Very good points; I'd never thought of her type in this way before.In my opinion, Hotel is mixing up Se with a simple Fi PoLR. All of the things he quoted only sound aggressive. What she is doing by saying these things is looking for a Fe response. I know ENTp in real life that say the things she says, they just have a weird sense of humor.
But then you're thinking, Kamangir hasn't disproved ESTp yet. Allie stays up very late chatting on stickam a lot of the time, and she once told me she wishes that someone would just "force" her to sleep sometimes, throw her in the bed and make her stay there. She seeks Si for sure. And she always has those weird ideas. And when confronted with Garmon's Se seeking bullshit one time, she had no idea what to do. All she could say was "uhhh ok, w/e". She was out of her Ne element. That is not how an ESTp would act, not at all.
The question is, do you see it? What Joy is essentially doing is opposing what Kamangir said. Kamangir claimed that you are Si DS; you need someone to essentially say "get some sleep Allie, you need it" or "here's a lovely meal I cooked for you, Allie". Joy is saying that regardless of the sentiments expressed by Si types, you couldn't care less about your sleeping or eating habits or whatever.
Yeah, and while you're at it, so is her Te. And her Si.
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You guys need to go to the awesome thread!
Also I agree Allie, in a good way!
Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .
ENTp... Seems awesome too.You're great.
I agree with both of them.
I couldn't care less about my eating/sleeping (or lack of) habits... but I do appreciate when people are concerned and/or try to help me.
Unless it's naggy. Then it's just annoying.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Is school out for you, or did you stay home from school again
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I have read most of the people who have posted on this thread.... I think alot of people are overthinking on specific details of certain few behaviors that allie or anyone can do that as you over analsyse these little details, you can become disillusional and get carried away with the true nature of that person's type, simply, just step back for a moment without being judgemental on her behavior and with that you won't get carried away with her type by just few behavior that she does, as anyone is capable of using all 8 infromation elements. Then as you can observed without thinking critically that she resemables almost all the traits of an ENTp-ne subtype. most people just get too carried away with others types by how they are acting in few details steps and thefore analysing it way too much on it. Remember someone's type also has alot to do with who that person is with at that moment, We can't always act our own type out as they would be boring, especially for an NE dominant type. I agree with strrng 100% on this.
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