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    Default Traits of the Extremist (confrontational immanent)

    The chronic extremist is motivated by identification with the object. Therefore, they have a strong personal bias for '-' aspects. This bias leads to a spectrum of qualities.

    - Fatalism (-Ni) and identification with its necessity
    - identification with causation (-Ti)
    - enforcement of objective demands (-Fi)
    - determination to exclude and discriminate against those who do not align their motive's to the object's (-Fe)
    - identification with absolute truth (-Te)
    - identification with the constraint of human potential to that allowed by fate (-Ne)
    - identification with forces independent of human will (-Se)
    - identification with disharmony and conflict (-Si)

    The religious would probably identify the extremist as the "hand of God" or "God's plan" due to their identification with the challenges faced by the human subject. Ironically, the same would also praise the passive immanent "messiah" type as an angel of God, or God proper. (as Christians have claimed for Jesus). Thus perhaps "the hand of the devil" would be a more fitting analogy.

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    AAAAAAAAAAAGH !!! I'm an extremist !!! Shit !

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    AAAAAAAAAAAGH !!! I'm an extremist !!! Shit !
    By "the same" I meant "the religious". I am in no way implying that all religious people are extremists.

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    My Mom's a SLE extremist. Which of those functions would apply to her?

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    AAAAAAAAAAAGH !!! I'm an extremist !!! Shit !
    Obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    My Mom's a SLE extremist. Which of those functions would apply to her?



    Obviously.
    If she is indeed a chronic extremist, then could mean up to three things:
    - she identifies herself with objective desire, and insists that personal desires submit themselves to the same. This is confrontational immanence in the +Fi element. Does your mother protest your private wants as selfish, even when you feel justified for having them?
    - she believes that others should subvert their own ambitions and dreams to whatever is allowed by a set fatalism that only they can truely know. This is really unlikely in your mother's case because it would mean immanence of the 3rd and 5th functions; such people typically don't survive their midlife crises. They identify themselves with their own tragic fate, and may believe things like "you can't teach an old dog new tricks", or that people who make bad choices must be mastered by them completely, without challenging their outcomes for further control of their own destinies.
    - she believes people should submit control of their own lives to objective concerns. In a +Ti vs -Ti situation, she will always side with -Ti. (I mean this in terms of aspects, not elements). For example, let's say that we determined that extremists should not be allowed to hold public office. Such a person would actually be fine with that if we could prove it to them that such an objective situation existed as to demand such regulation. This is where the extremely rigid, controlling aspect of extremism comes into play.

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    I'm not sure, it's hard to describe. I think she's just your typical religious extremist who believes she's not.
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    She's basically applying her religious beliefs (which she honestly believes are based on the bible) to everyone and not accepting that people have their own sets of values and that they can be right as well, even if their values contradict with her or each others, as long as no one tries to hold other people his/her own values.

    Bleh that probably didn't make much sense. I should be in bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    - identification with causation - common sense
    - enforcement of objective demands - common sense
    - identification with absolute truth - common sense
    - identification with forces independent of human will - common sense
    - identification with disharmony and conflict - who doesn't??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
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    I don't. I think you should look at those definitions a little more closely. For you to identify with any one of those would mean denying your own experience as a private observer, which is what the extremist does. They want to subsume private identity -- the subjective sense of self -- into the totality of everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    I don't. I think you should look at those definitions a little more closely. For you to identify with any one of those would mean denying your own experience as a private observer, which is what the extremist does. They want to subsume private identity -- the subjective sense of self -- into the totality of everything else.
    Denying my own experience - in what way? I believe in absolute truth, in the sense that my subjective perceptions are not valid if they are not representative of the truth.

    And what do you mean by 'disharmony and conflict' then? Because everyone can identify with them being that they've experienced them.

    'Identification with forces independent of human will' - I believe in God, so yeah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Denying my own experience - in what way? I believe in absolute truth, in the sense that my subjective perceptions are not valid if they are not representative of the truth.

    And what do you mean by 'disharmony and conflict' then? Because everyone can identify with them being that they've experienced them.

    'Identification with forces independent of human will' - I believe in God, so yeah
    Right, but you do not say "I am war" any more than you say "I am god". Over the course of their lives, a confrontational immanent may increasingly identify with either or those statements, depending on whether or not they are immanent in the functions respective to either. (the more they identify with the object, the sooner their identification will be completed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Right, but you do not say "I am war" any more than you say "I am god". Over the course of their lives, a confrontational immanent may increasingly identify with either or those statements, depending on whether or not they are immanent in the functions respective to either. (the more they identify with the object, the sooner their identification will be completed).
    ok, so you're meaning more 'becoming one' with the object to the point where you find it hard to differentiate btwn yourself and the object - rather than identifying with it objectively
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