No. I'm better than SEI's.
No. I'm better than SEI's.
“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.”
― Robert Burns,
Noooo... Poor SEI.
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves."
I'll seize the opportunity given by this topic to give an advice to young ILEs.
In my country, schoolteachers entering the profession have to spend a fraction of their work time to follow some job-related courses.
I happen to pass in front of the school in which the courses take place, when I go jogging.
Every time, I find a peculiar concentration of young (23-26) SEI women. Almost all well-dressed, attractive, and non-accompanied.
SEI's as elementary school teachers. Yes, it seems to happen. One male seemed to have great time when I made parody versions of magazines back and other pupils just made regular ones.
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Actually the place I was referring to exclusively accomodates schoolteachers, there are no children there.
You might find a similar place in your town. SEI's often make terrible choices when selecting a life-long partner. At least they'll have duality.
It's bigotry to say one personality type is better than another. However, if a person spends their weekends feeding the homeless it stands to reason that that person is, perhaps, more philanthropic than the person who spends their weekends gossiping.
Many ILEs try to occupy the high ground where they might appear superior without having to express it and SEIs like to build castles on high ground to protect the occupants - a match made closest to heaven. As useful and indispensable as acolytes may be, many ILEs never seem to give them their full due, as if to say: "Without me, they'd be nothing." However, most that I'd gotten to know were rather bright scientific types.
Rebelondeck, I see this same behavior in the manner in which many LIEs treat ESIs. It's as if the LIE is saying, "The ESI is an OK person and is sometimes useful to me, but they are really nothing without me." I mean, you got that exactly right.
When I first saw this behavior in LIEs, I came to understand why most LIEs, in general, are considered to be complete assholes and shitheads.
In my own life, I was lucky to have an ESI approach me in 8th grade who wanted to talk about telescopes. I thought, "This guy looks weird and awkward as hell, but who cares? He's interested in the subject that I love best."
Then, gradually, I stopped seeing his appearance and fell in love with the way we interacted. Lol.
Now, if that had never happened to me, I'd just think that most of these ESIs can't think very well and occupy most of their brain space with thoughts of how they were wronged, which is not that attractive, TBH. But the really fucking weird thing is, once I'm talking to these guys, the interaction sweeps away all thoughts of discordance and I can easily see that they have most of the parts that I need to get along in the world.
@Adam Strange I don't see confident ESIs putting up with such behaviour for very long even though some that lack confidence have been known to be doormats. Now, confident SEIs, although often self-righteous, don't seem to look for independence from overlord-attitudes so long as relatively safe environments are provided.
Rebelondeck, I agree. Most (confident) ESIs would not put up with that treatment for very long. But some who are being paid well and have seen what it's like working for other bosses are more forgiving.
And yes, you described an SEI that I work with perfectly. She doesn't seem to find my LIE-ness a deal-breaker (although I'm VERY VERY careful to keep a distance. I LIKE her more than most people, but I purposely interact with her much, much less than with almost anyone else.) but then, she gets very flexible hours so she can take care of her kids.
You would think that, if predictable by socionics at all, this would reside in asymmetric relationships like supervision and benefaction.
When I bumped this thread I found it interesting. I dont really get ILE fawning after me or worshiping the ground I walk on (*cough* as ILE men should *cough). It has often been me fawning and thinking they were better. Thankfully I have knocked them down a peg or two in my mind and dont see them as Godly as much LMAO.
I find duals with 4D fi and Te (valued or not) tends to have stronger views of their dual like this I think. In terms of more pedestal putting initially of either themselves or devaluing the other. I like hearing what ILE's like about SEI's as I gte very self conscious about my own strengths is all.
FYI for everyone though...if a good SEI decides to leave....you have seriously fucked up big time and long term for that to happen.