Results 1 to 20 of 20

Thread: EIIs-INFjs dwelling on things and analyzing for the long term

  1. #1
    UDP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    "Come with me if you want to live"
    TIM
    LSE
    Posts
    14,907
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default EIIs-INFjs dwelling on things and analyzing for the long term

    Hahaha, you guys really love to explain and analyze things that are important to you. You guys seem to like dwelling in in, which is interesting. I'm more "alright, let's talk about this, and be clear, and then move on".


    What do you like to really analyze, INFjs?
    And people who know INFjs, what do they analyze most often?
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

    ~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
    ~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.

  2. #2
    eunice's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    2,957
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    Hahaha, you guys really love to explain and analyze things that are important to you. You guys seem to like dwelling in in, which is interesting. I'm more "alright, let's talk about this, and be clear, and then move on".


    What do you like to really analyze, INFjs?
    And people who know INFjs, what do they analyze most often?
    I think I overanalyze the future too much. My strong imagination enables me to understand how an action will lead to another and what the long term consequence will be. As such, I can have reservations about making a move because I know that one wrong step will create a chain of inconvenience. My ISFp friend is always curious about my ability to think ahead by visualizing correctly what will happen next. I guess at times it is a bane since I tend to think too much rather than just jump into the situation and improvise as I go along.

  3. #3
    Snomunegot munenori2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    TIM
    Introvert sp/sx
    Posts
    7,744
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I tend to think about people and people-related issues (what is going on inside a person, what they need or want nothing of, and how to get it to them). When I'm doing school work, I tend to want to analyze things from a very big picture perspective and locate my subject or topic somewhere inside that, resplendent with all the implications and whatnot that follow from its connections to everything else. If I can do this, along with painting a similar type of big picture from some other period of time, I can usually get some sort of idea how the first leads to the second, what trends appear, how people might act, react, or change.

    Basically, in my free time it has more to do with individuals and personal developments, but I do like to indulge in more broad swaths of societal change, such as history or anthropology, at times. Sometimes I feel like that's pulling the lens too far back if overstressed, but often it also provides exactly the sort of context with which to situate the person or people you are dealing with. That's not so much an issue in everyday interaction, but when you start dealing with individuals from all over the world, then context is sorely needed (and frequently lacking). Thus I try to temper my own views which themselves fall into an inescapably personal context, potentially leaving me blind if I am ignorant or lull myself into a false sense of objectivity.
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

  4. #4
    eunice's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    2,957
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    @munenori: you sig.s are reminding me of UDP.

  5. #5
    Snomunegot munenori2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    TIM
    Introvert sp/sx
    Posts
    7,744
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Haha, interesting observation. I can see the connection somewhat.
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

  6. #6
    Minde's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Amongst the stars
    TIM
    EII/INFj E9w1sp
    Posts
    4,239
    Mentioned
    120 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    Hahaha, you guys really love to explain and analyze things that are important to you. You guys seem to like dwelling in in, which is interesting. I'm more "alright, let's talk about this, and be clear, and then move on".


    What do you like to really analyze, INFjs?
    And people who know INFjs, what do they analyze most often?
    I don't know. What is it you notice INFjs analyzing most? What have you observed that they enjoy getting deep into?

    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    I tend to think about people and people-related issues (what is going on inside a person, what they need or want nothing of, and how to get it to them). When I'm doing school work, I tend to want to analyze things from a very big picture perspective and locate my subject or topic somewhere inside that, resplendent with all the implications and whatnot that follow from its connections to everything else. If I can do this, along with painting a similar type of big picture from some other period of time, I can usually get some sort of idea how the first leads to the second, what trends appear, how people might act, react, or change.

    Basically, in my free time it has more to do with individuals and personal developments, but I do like to indulge in more broad swaths of societal change, such as history or anthropology, at times. Sometimes I feel like that's pulling the lens too far back if overstressed, but often it also provides exactly the sort of context with which to situate the person or people you are dealing with. That's not so much an issue in everyday interaction, but when you start dealing with individuals from all over the world, then context is sorely needed (and frequently lacking). Thus I try to temper my own views which themselves fall into an inescapably personal context, potentially leaving me blind if I am ignorant or lull myself into a false sense of objectivity.
    Munenori, where did your latest type thread go? I didn't see it when I skimmed the What's My Type section, but maybe I just overlooked it. I think it's likely you're INFj. In any case, the above is a demonstration of how you think similarly to me. I mean, I don't think we always agree on things, or even always look at things in the same way. But I can usually at least understand where you're coming from, which is more than I can say about many. One way of putting it is that you and I often seem to take separate paths, but the origin of thought is the same or very similar. Does that make sense?

    Anyway, I identify a lot with what you wrote.
    INFj / EII / FiNe
    ()



    "Have courage and be kind." - Cinderella's mom

    "Fear wist not to evade as Love wist to pursue." - Francis Thompson

  7. #7
    Snomunegot munenori2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    TIM
    Introvert sp/sx
    Posts
    7,744
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Munenori, where did your latest type thread go? I didn't see it when I skimmed the What's My Type section, but maybe I just overlooked it. I think it's likely you're INFj. In any case, the above is a demonstration of how you think similarly to me. I mean, I don't think we always agree on things, or even always look at things in the same way. But I can usually at least understand where you're coming from, which is more than I can say about many. One way of putting it is that you and I often seem to take separate paths, but the origin of thought is the same or very similar. Does that make sense?

    Anyway, I identify a lot with what you wrote.
    Here it is:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=18479

    That does make sense. I would agree too. Perhaps that's a difference in subtype, or maybe it's just in perspective?
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

  8. #8
    Lobo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    TIM
    EII 6w5
    Posts
    2,080
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    Hahaha, you guys really love to explain and analyze things that are important to you. You guys seem to like dwelling in in, which is interesting. I'm more "alright, let's talk about this, and be clear, and then move on".


    What do you like to really analyze, INFjs?
    And people who know INFjs, what do they analyze most often?
    Actually, the reason I would discuss something and analyze it is to reach the point that you mention in the first paragraph: "alright, let's talk about this, and be clear, and then move on." The problem I find though is that there are things that aren't so simple to reach a definite conclusion... Looking at something superficially sometimes doesn't really seem enough for me. Personally, I like analyzing people, chronological events, among other things that I can't think about at the moment. I mention chronological events, but I am not really interested in history though, since I have trust issues with acceptings things that might not be really factual or that can be open to interpretation, more so on what are the series of events that lead to some event or situation.

    I analyze my friends and family all the time, as odd as that may sound. I like knowing everything there is to know about people who are close to me, not really in their activities, but more towards how things will make them feel at a given time. It's like I want to have complete understanding of a person's internal emotional state, to the point that they don't really have to give feedback about anything they feel since I will know it already. Not knowing this, or feeling confused about this, causes me stress, and it's something that I take insanely seriously... Analyzing people is not something that I would normally talk in the open to that person, because I just don't see why they would find that necessary. The only times I have talked about someone outside of family have been to ISTps, I'm guessing they are receptive to it, and ESTjs somewhat since I haven't been able to get close enough. This would be an example:

    "You remember what you told me the other day about ----? I've been thinking about that actually, and I think that the reason that you do that is because you feel ---- when that happens and, etc etc." Then ask for more info about it, and the curiosity won't leave me until I really understand it.

    Hope this isn't long-winded , but it's what I see as "analyzing." Of course, there are other things I like analyzing but I find them unrelated to what you are asking.

  9. #9
    UDP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    "Come with me if you want to live"
    TIM
    LSE
    Posts
    14,907
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    @munenori: you sig.s are reminding me of UDP.
    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Haha, interesting observation. I can see the connection somewhat.
    What do you (both) mean?

    Alas, I am requesting further explanation.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

    ~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
    ~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.

  10. #10
    Snomunegot munenori2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    TIM
    Introvert sp/sx
    Posts
    7,744
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    What do you (both) mean?

    Alas, I am requesting further explanation.
    I'm guessing the similarity is primarily the Morihei Ueshiba quotes. Given your past history of putting Eastern themed items in your sig line, particularly ones dealing with being a warrior, mine from a Japanese Martial Artist probably do remind some people of them.
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

  11. #11
    UDP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    "Come with me if you want to live"
    TIM
    LSE
    Posts
    14,907
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Therefore, I must be Ne creative and an EII!

    Ah, I get it now




    (that's an inside joke)
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

    ~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
    ~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.

  12. #12
    Snomunegot munenori2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    TIM
    Introvert sp/sx
    Posts
    7,744
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    854
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    UHh I am drunk but, I just want to say I like menenori2 and UDp. Yeah. You guys are cool, I think you get this type . . . . . . . eewww, I am really wasted (yuckky), and . . . goodnight- - - - sorry for being weird.
    EII 4w5

    so/sx (?)

  14. #14
    Snomunegot munenori2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    TIM
    Introvert sp/sx
    Posts
    7,744
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy B View Post
    UHh I am drunk but, I just want to say I like menenori2 and UDp. Yeah. You guys are cool, I think you get this type . . . . . . . eewww, I am really wasted (yuckky), and . . . goodnight- - - - sorry for being weird.
    No worries.
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

  15. #15
    Humanist Beautiful sky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    EII land
    TIM
    EII INFj
    Posts
    25,410
    Mentioned
    636 Post(s)
    Tagged
    6 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Hahaha, you guys really love to explain and analyze things that are important to you. You guys seem to like dwelling in in, which is interesting. I'm more "alright, let's talk about this, and be clear, and then move on".


    What do you like to really analyze, INFjs?
    And people who know INFjs, what do they analyze most often?
    I deeply analyze my perpective on something. Did I make the right moves, was I fair and impartial, could I have done something differently; if I had done something differently, how would have things played out. I think about all the facets and aspects of not only my approach but the possible outcomes and the future of how a situation will uncover itself. What I am most worried about is f-ing up. I want things very much to be very good and turn out happy, positive and well.

    I analyze the feelings of individuals most often; did I hurt them, who needs attention from me, what day should I deliver gifts, have I left anyone out, who needs what concern when.

    I think about the things I will buy, will it be enough, how many, what color, shape, size, so many things to thank and analyze about.

    I over analyze everything most importantly people's behavior and why people do things the way they do.

    An example:
    I spent lots of time thinking about Mariella and if my approach was over the top and how guilty I felt for loosing my mind on her when I did not mean to. I thought about my objective in me speaking with her, I also think about the positives in the individual and automatically focus on that; with Mariella, my mind said there must be some hidden quality about this individual that I need to get in touch with within me first.

    With people, I focus on the specifics then the specifics go into the big picture.
    Last edited by Beautiful sky; 05-14-2010 at 12:35 AM.
    -
    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

  16. #16
    Lobo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    TIM
    EII 6w5
    Posts
    2,080
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Christy B View Post
    UHh I am drunk but, I just want to say I like menenori2 and UDp. Yeah. You guys are cool, I think you get this type . . . . . . . eewww, I am really wasted (yuckky), and . . . goodnight- - - - sorry for being weird.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I deeply analyze my perpective on something. Did I make the right moves, was I fair and impartial, could I have done something differently; if I had done something differently, how would have things played out. I think about all the facets and aspects of not only my approach but the possible outcomes and the future of how a situation will uncover itself. What I am most worried about is f-ing up. I want things very much to be very good and turn out happy, positive and well.

    I analyze the feelings of individuals most often; did I hurt them, who needs attention from me, what day should I deliver gifts, have I left anyone out, who needs what concern when.

    I think about the things I will buy, will it be enough, how many, what color, shape, size, so many things to thank and analyze about.

    I over analyze everything most importantly people's behavior and why people do things the way they do.

    An example:
    I spent lots of time thinking about Mariella and if my approach was over the top and how guilty I felt for loosing my mind on her when I did not mean to. I thought about my objective in me speaking with her, I also think about the positives in the individual and automatically focus on that; with Mariella, my mind said there must be some hidden quality about this individual that I need to get in touch with within me first.

    With people, I focus on the specifics then the specifics go into the big picture.
    Dear, he was asking for INFjs to answer.

  17. #17
    Miro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    TIM
    IEI-0/INFp/INFJ
    Posts
    40
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I analyze a lot of stuff. Trying to make universal themes and connections of stuff and how they connect and form a cohesive whole. I have quotes, insights and knowledge in my head. It depends on what I'm interested at the moment.

  18. #18
    asd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    TIM
    EII-C 4w5 sx/so
    Posts
    632
    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Because it’s fun? (Ne creative)


  19. #19
    Rebelondeck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    1,661
    Mentioned
    139 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Most Ijs are guilty of dwelling on things too much or over analysing but like all other normal types, obligations and survival are the main issues on their minds. In their free time, EIIs seem to spend time thinking about the moral compass of societies, certain individuals and themselves. Even though they may realize deep down that some of their standards are unachievable, many will still preach them to anyone in listening range so they must spend some time preparing related information because Ijs aren't really spontaneous enough to easily talk off-the-cuff to strangers. Note that although many of their speeches sound like sermons, EIIs aren't necessarily spiritual.

    a.k.a. I/O

  20. #20
    asd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    TIM
    EII-C 4w5 sx/so
    Posts
    632
    Mentioned
    36 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Yeah ok I thought I was “shy” and some might even misinterpret it as “rigid” (because I’m not adventurous in the Se impulsive sense) but I realize what you’re talking about here is that combo of 1D Se and Te. Paralysis of action.


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •