people who are hard to type

[Joy]

I think there are a few reasons for people being hard to type, one of which is neurosis/psychosis. Some argue that it is easier to type someone with a personality disorder because certain types are inclined to certain disorders. I do think this CAN be true... however...

Even there's the discorder that "belongs" to each type, any type can have any disorder. When people are hard to type, it's because they have been molded by their environment to be something different. There are chemical issues too... like low dopaimine or seratonin, which will cause certain disorders in people regardless of type... I, for example, thought I was either INTp, ISFp, ISTj a few years back when I was still really depressed (looking at the corresponding Oldham types that is).

Not that I'm implying that all people who are hard to type had disorders. What I'm getting at is that when someone can't figure out they're type it's because their environment rewarded a certain behavior which was not one of their first two functions. I think this can lead to a lot of frustration, a low self of self worth, and (at the VERY least) confusion about one's true identity.

I also like my graph idea... picture a graph. At the left and right are the two subtypes and at the top is mental wellness and at the bottom is the type's corresponding personality disorder. I was thinking though that maybe the top should be self-actualization since the middle of the graph should be "normal" rather than "halfway psychotic".

[maze]

=)

[Cone]

Another reason why some people are hard to type is because some people try to type by analyzing functional preferences instead of using type descriptions. I'm telling you, THIS IS A BAD IDEA!!!

Another reason why some people are hard to type is because Socionics is a relational theory, which means that types are most important in relationships and social interactions. It is much more difficult to type a lonely person than a person immersed in social interaction.

[Joy]

Another reason why some people are hard to type is because some people try to type by analyzing functional preferences instead of using type descriptions. I'm telling you, THIS IS A BAD IDEA!!!

I disagree 100%. Do you think a man born in a traditional Arab culture would match the description for an IxFp? Or do you think a female ENTx would sound like the type description we have if she had been born in the colonial US? Maybe these examples aren't the best, but you get the idea.

Circumstances vary too much in a person's environment to ALWAYS use descriptions like those. Not everyone in the world fits into one of the 16 descriptions you know! Every sane person should, however, have functions that are ordered as one of the 16 functional analyses.

Someone with extreme circumstances in their upbringing most likely won't appear to be a stereotypical "type", and are likely to appear more like another type than most people would be.

[maze]

=)

[Catholic Schoolboy]

I don’t like any of the theories. I don’t like biased little dolts that run around claiming that one personality theory is better than the next. Personality theory is like religion, we all worship the same God under a different name.

Is this unrelated? I don’t care. I just needed to get that out. Thanks.

[Joy]

Again, socionics is not a personality theory.

[Catholic Schoolboy]

Ok then what is it?

[Gilly]

An interpersonal relations theory. MBTi is a personality theory.

[Joy]

Thank you gilligan.

[Catholic Schoolboy]

Joy you forgot to tell me what Socionics is.

[Joy]

what he said... that's why I thanked him

[Creepy-]

If I'm not coherent it's because I'm inebriated. Extreme stress and expectations both internal and external could make someone hard to type as well. the end

[Catholic Schoolboy]

It's all the same. We put it under diffrent names becuase it's human nature to hold one thing above another.

[Joy]

lol It's the mysterious drunken stranger. You're an ENTp aren't you?

[Creepy-]

The world will never know. . . 'cause I'm in that stressed out hard to type category

[Joy]

*sighs*

[Gilly]

So basically, you're ENTp.

[Joy]

>: |

go read my "NOT EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW THEIR TYPE" thread

[Creepy-]

and i'm not a stranger, guess who i am, hahahahahaah!

[Creepy-]

uh, nevermind.

[Joy]

*raises an eyebrow*

[maze]

=)

[Creepy-pokeball]

An interpersonal relations theory. MBTi is a personality theory.

Is it not both? I just call them cognitive function theories but whatever lol. Splitting hairs and it tickles you know where.

[FDG]

Another reason why some people are hard to type is because some people try to type by analyzing functional preferences instead of using type descriptions. I'm telling you, THIS IS A BAD IDEA!!!

I agree. (we're both Te-ing)

[Creepy-pokeball]

Explain pleaz0rs? Im not really following what either of you two are trying to say without second guessing over either of you.

[mimisor]

When people are hard to type, it's because they have been molded by their environment to be something different...

I really doubt it. It's very hard to pretend you are smth else. It can be done, deceiving people of your true nature, but only for a short time; it requires a gigantic concious effort to keep acting different than your natural predisposition tells you to.

[Cone]

Explain pleaz0rs? Im not really following what either of you two are trying to say without second guessing over either of you.

People type by saying stuff like, "oh, he's into cars and muscles, that's definitely strong ". Then they miss the whole picture of things, and what's worse is that they are typing people based only on theoretically deduced properties of Model A.

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[Cone]

could that not just as easily be a hidden agenda or a suggestive function, role, whatever?

Or not attached to any specific function whatsoever? The important thing is to look at the motive behind the action. Cars and muscles are 1. socially expected for guys and 2. something that supposedly gets you laid.

[Catholic Schoolboy]

Exactly Cone.

Kind of like the recent thread claiming I'm not INTp, because I am too "emotional". I show too much Fe. Another really bad example of trying to type by function alone. Though it can be useful it is really quite useless when used alone.

[leckysupport]

I disagree 100%. Do you think a man born in a traditional Arab culture would match the description for an IxFp?

I actually do know a lot arab guys straight from their homelands who fit the IXFp description quite well (the www.socionics.com description).

[discourse]

I type people by trieng to guess their first functsion. When I get to know what it is, I can amaze people. There are many people who I have never met in the internet, but I have described their personalities and relationships so that they have asked if we know each other. One ENFj girl with who I chat in rate.ee said to me that she has nothing to add, I described exactly how she thinks. People from the same type are so similar that they are familiar even if you don't know them before. And thanks to model A I can empahtize to their problems.

[nobrainer]

Exactly Cone.

Kind of like the recent thread claiming I'm not INTp, because I am too "emotional". I show too much Fe. Another really bad example of trying to type by function alone. Though it can be useful it is really quite useless when used alone.

That's obviously a horseshit, because how can you say if someone is "emotional or not" if there is no "emotional contact" on this or any other forum (face to face). All you can do is to add emoticon to imply you emotional state (what a great choice of moods). Hearing someone's voice over the phone could help, but did anyone see a goddamn phonebooth in here?

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[nobrainer]

i admit that sometimes i wind up piling on the with people online. especially if i'm jokiing about something (which god, it totally ruins the joke to have to be like )

Are you on Dimetapp again, cos I couldn't understand a word you just said

[indigoroom]

Another reason why some people are hard to type is because some people try to type by analyzing functional preferences instead of using type descriptions. I'm telling you, THIS IS A BAD IDEA!!!

True, true.

[Creepy-pokeball]

Explain pleaz0rs? Im not really following what either of you two are trying to say without second guessing over either of you.

People type by saying stuff like, "oh, he's into cars and muscles, that's definitely strong ". Then they miss the whole picture of things, and what's worse is that they are typing people based only on theoretically deduced properties of Model A.

Oh okies. I agree then. Thanks for the redefine =D

[Joy]

okay, I NEVER said that people should be typed based on one occurance of one function. I have always looked at the overall picture as well.

[maze]

That's obviously a horseshit, because how can you say if someone is "emotional or not" if there is no "emotional contact" on this or any other forum (face to face). All you can do is to add emoticon to imply you emotional state (what a great choice of moods). Hearing someone's voice over the phone could help, but did anyone see a goddamn phonebooth in here?

Our voices do come through. I listen. I've been a listener all my life. You are right there is no phonebooth, you are right there is no face to face. But I still listen to what little IS there. So do others. I wont use it to type anymore, people react terribly when they hear how they come across. When someone tells me how I come across I take it with stride and try my damndest to acknowledge what they hear. Megan has said she's caught on to my defensiveness. She was right. Topaz said he caught on to my innability to distinguish good and evil. He was right.

It's just a forum, and the ability to listen is limited. You are right.