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    can you type this couple?




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    Default The Bachelorette (Alie)

    What type is she? EIE?
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I happened to catch the last 20 minutes or so of the first episode. The types that stood out to me were Craig LSE and Weatherman either LSI or LIE, but not sure. What do you guys think?

    As for Alie, not sure yet. She seems Fe-ego. She also takes things at face value, not really thinking deeper about people's potential alterior motives. Dont know if that means she's a sensor? or just not Fi-valuing? I can't say much more than that at this point.
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    Weatherman: "If Craig M gets a rose tonight, I will know for sure there is no God."

    Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Weatherman: "If Craig M gets a rose tonight, I will know for sure there is no God."

    Good grief.
    I know i thought that was absolutely ridiculous. Honestly I dont like the weatherman--he rubs me the wrong way. I missed the whole fight between him and Craig, but feel like he should not have badmouthed Craig to Alie, and he sould have just let her decide for herself who she enjoys being with. then again, with my preliminary typing of Craig as LSE, he probably wouldn't have been the ideal match for her anyway. So win-win for all three, i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    that was a funny clip. Ellen is so funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    that was a funny clip. Ellen is so funny!
    is just like what Ellen does; it throws out a word or a response and just for the kick, to see how it rolls like the red carpet reaction (you know, how people respond to the Fe funny word/word play; you can see how her interviewee laughs at these words -gives emotional feedback while Ellen does not budge...)....lol

    In the same regard Fe can use some very painful words to elicit a powerful emotional reaction (to get people to cry or have litterally nervous breakdowns, while they are calm and collected looking themselves).
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Default Craig M (Bachelorette & Bachelor Pad)

    I'd been thinking this since i first caught a really short glimpse of Craig M on the most recent season of the Bachelorette (with Allie), but having watched part of Bachelor Pad my final verdict has been rendered:

    Craig = SLI.


    He is grossly misunderstood because of his Fe-POLR. He makes a lot of Fe faux pas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I'd been thinking this since i first caught a really short glimpse of Craig M on the most recent season of the Bachelorette (with Allie), but having watched part of Bachelor Pad my final verdict has been rendered:

    Craig = SLI.
    Si-EJ seems more likely atm.





    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    He is grossly misunderstood because of his Fe-POLR. He makes a lot of Fe faux pas.
    He's grossly despised because he's a self centered, E3 dick.

    The majority of his social "faux pas" seem more like calculated jabs intended for affect. For that reason I definately lean ESE > LSE.



    In my experience, PoLR social faux pas are more likely to occur in a situation where a certain reaction is more or less 'expected,' and the PoLR - being oblivious to the subtle emotional dynamics happening at that time - gives the 'unexpected' and typically undesired response, which to them is just reacting/behaving honestly with no specific intent. It's usually not until seeing the baffled reactions from whoever may be in the near vicinity as well as the very quick and distinct change in attitude of the atmosphere that the PoLR realizes that their reaction was deemed either strange or unexpected. And in worse case scenerios, hostile.

    A quick example for me would be like the time when my workplace's General Manager came in to supervise our daily operation on the day of my (unwanted) promotion to a generally more stressful position, with little reward to reap. I learned that when your GM pats you on the back, praises your work, and asks "so how are you liking the new job?" with an overly excited grin on his face, replying "I don't" or "I hate it" is not the response he is looking for. It wasn't until the other two managers standing next to him burst out laughing that I realized that he wasn't really asking me.

    There's more to -PoLR than just social faux pas, of course. I might write more on other aspects of this later.
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    LSE
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    Si-EJ seems more likely atm.

    He's grossly despised because he's a self centered, E3 dick.

    The majority of his social "faux pas" seem more like calculated jabs intended for effect. For that reason I definately lean ESE > LSE.

    YouTube - ‪The Bachelorette Craig M. Greatest Hits‬‎

    In my experience, PoLR social faux pas are more likely to occur in a situation where a certain reaction is more or less 'expected,' and the PoLR - being oblivious to the subtle emotional dynamics happening at that time - gives the 'unexpected' and typically undesired response, which to them is just reacting/behaving honestly with no specific intent. It's usually not until seeing the baffled reactions from whoever may be in the near vicinity as well as the very quick and distinct change in attitude of the atmosphere that the PoLR realizes that their reaction was deemed either strange or unexpected. And in worse case scenerios, hostile.

    A quick example for me would be like the time when my workplace's General Manager came in to supervise our daily operation on the day of my (unwanted) promotion to a generally more stressfull position, with little reward to reap. I learned that when your GM pats you on the back, praises your work, and asks "so how are you liking the new job?" with an overly excited grin on his face, replying "I don't" or "I hate it" is not the response he is looking for. It wasn't until the other two managers standing next to him burst out laughing that I realized that he wasn't really asking me.

    I might write more on other aspects of this later.
    LOL!!!!

    that's AWESOME.

    And yeah Maritsa i was kind of wondering whether he might be LSE, I actually dont disagree with you on that one. I ultimately rested on SLI b/c of the Fe-POLR i thought i saw. But i hear what ur saying DeAnte, that it might be staged. But I'm still not sure whether it's all staged or not. Also i think whats making him look like a self-centered prick is the Fe-POlr, in that he says the wrong things at the wrong time, which make him seem that way. And obviously he wasn't interested in Allie, because if she's EIE, they would be conflictors. If she's ESE, she would be his supervisor. I haven't seen ALL that much of him so i will need to keep watching that RETARDED show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Also i think whats making him look like a self-centered prick is the Fe-POlr, in that he says the wrong things at the wrong time, which make him seem that way.
    Simply "saying the wrong things at the wrong time" is a gross oversimplification of PoLR, IMO.

    Craig isn't 'unaware' like XLIs, he consciously attempts to be 'deliberately mean.' His hyper active energy level is distinctly dynamic EJ > IP.

    Also, for reasons that are hard to concretely qualify, I change my typing of Ali to Fe-EIE as well.
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    That guy is defffffinitely not SLI.

    How did you ever come to that conclusion?

    The bit about the "faux pas" being intentional is absolutely right.

    WA, were you fantasizing about a jerk being your dual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    That guy is defffffinitely not SLI.

    How did you ever come to that conclusion?

    The bit about the "faux pas" being intentional is absolutely right.

    WA, were you fantasizing about a jerk being your dual?
    I dont know, maybe I just gave him the benefit of the doubt.To be honest I haven't seen the parts where Craig was mean, i missed that in the bachelorette episode (i tuned in when weatherman was going on and on about how awful he is and "warned" Allie, which i thought was pretty cheap), so I'm missing some info i guess.

    His facial expression looked sort of Fe-POLR and delta-ST like. And he seems Si-ego, but i guess if he's not Fe-POLR, ESE wouldn't be out of the question. I guess he sort of looks like the main actor from Grey's Anatomy (I forgot the name).

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    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    If this guy is ESTj then I have hung out with one before. I'd never even met him and he kept on seeing if I wanted something to eat...etc. It was nice but it stressed me out because it was like acting too close, too "taking-care of me", too fast. Everything I asked about he tried to give to me, like a present or something, and he paid attention to what I said very well, even though he basically ignored the content of it.

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    I dont know guys. . .

    I sat down and rewatched the first episode of the bachelor pad in detail (i skipped a few parts last time), and I seriously think Craig M is delta ST (Te-SLI or Te-LSE).

    I also found this interview:
    http://www.couchtimewithjill.com/201...n-he-just.html

    which pretty much confirmed what i suspected about him all along:
    --his primary objective was to find someone he could love, but he wasnt into Alie at all, so he didnt care about impressing. once he realized that, he was just there for a good time (from an Si- and Fi-valuing, but weak Fi standpoint)
    --the producers edited in just the scenes where he was joking around (and i think he may have even been a bit tipsy/drunk at the time).


    I still think all of the "inappropriate" behavior is really Fe-POLR, because when he realized how it came across, he felt really bad about it, even the way he talks about it on the current show. And it totally makes sense that he had no interest in his conflictor.

    Who IS ESE on the show is TENLEY. OMG. ANNOYING. Craig is nothing like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoapOfSapphire View Post
    This. [Also - Hi, DeAnte!]


    I've been thinking he's SLE, but I'll have to keep watching this travesty of a show [from which I cannot seem to avert my eyes!] to make up my mind... in any case I think he's a Fe-valuing extravert, for sure.

    When the ESI girl called Craig out for being a jerk, his response was, "Do you hate me?" and then trying to win her over and show he's not so bad. I wonder if that would be an SLE's response to being supervised...
    I thought that response and the attempt at winning over was Te-motivated, not actually Fe-HA. And most likely Fi-motivated too--he wanted her to realize that he's actually a good person inside (in a static sense). An SLE would be acting all goofy and obnoxious to try to make people like him. When he acts obnoxious it's because he doesn't like the people or the situation.
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    He just seems so much more internally high strung than I'd typically expect from any EP type, but I suppose SLE is possible.

    Plus, I haven't actually seen the show, so you guys technically do have more information than me.

    EDIT: I still maintain that Delta ST is not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    He just seems so much more internally high strung than I'd typically expect from any EP type, but I suppose SLE is possible.

    Plus, I haven't actually seen the show, so you guys technically do have more information than me.

    EDIT: I still maintain that Delta ST is not possible.
    AAARRRGGH! DeAnte, that means you're going by hearsay!! Form your OWN opinion by studying him yourself

    Also didn't u say you thought LSE was possible for him?
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    Default Bachelorette--Ashley

    Any opinions on types of the last three guys?

    Ashley ??

    Ben seems SEI or SLI

    Constantine seems SLI

    JP seems LSI maybe?
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    Ryan S - Fe-ISFP
    Matthew - Si-ISFP
    David - Fe-ISFP
    John - Si-ESFJ
    Ryan E - Te-ESTJ
    Will - Te-ESTJ
    Jeff - Ne-INFJ
    Alan - Ne-INFJ
    Jeremy - Fi-ISFJ
    Josh - Ni-ENTJ
    Jacob - Si-ISTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Ryan S - Fe-ISFP
    Matthew - Si-ISFP
    David - Fe-ISFP
    John - Si-ESFJ
    Ryan E - Te-ESTJ
    Will - Te-ESTJ
    Jeff - Ne-INFJ
    Alan - Ne-INFJ
    Jeremy - Fi-ISFJ
    Josh - Ni-ENTJ
    Jacob - Si-ISTP
    Anything goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyst Trevor View Post
    William - ENFp-Fi
    really? you think a Fi-ego is gonna make that sort of blunder? I dunno...
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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Ryan S - Fe-ISFP
    Matthew - Si-ISFP
    David - Fe-ISFP
    John - Si-ESFJ
    Ryan E - Te-ESTJ
    Will - Te-ESTJ
    Jeff - Ne-INFJ
    Alan - Ne-INFJ
    Jeremy - Fi-ISFJ
    Josh - Ni-ENTJ
    Jacob - Si-ISTP
    The easyness with which you throw around subtypes, makes me doubt that you know what you are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    Ryan S - Fe-ISFP
    Matthew - Si-ISFP
    David - Fe-ISFP
    John - Si-ESFJ
    Ryan E - Te-ESTJ
    Will - Te-ESTJ
    Jeff - Ne-INFJ
    Alan - Ne-INFJ
    Jeremy - Fi-ISFJ
    Josh - Ni-ENTJ
    Jacob - Si-ISTP
    The easyness with which you throw around subtypes, makes me doubt that you know what you are doing.
    haha, relax..the people that poli listed 'n' typed didn't even participate in this show.. that was poli-humor, you can bet

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    Default The Bachelorette, Jake Pavelka vs Vienna Girardi fight

    I was viewing this clip on youtube:
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    I peg Vienna as ILE and Jake as ESI. I remember watching the bachelor and they were instantly attracted to each other. It seems from this clip that both are very upset.

    I know, Duh!

    Basically, neither one of them seem to understand or care for the other's vulnerability.

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    I thought that guy was a marble statue until he spoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
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    Yeah, that was bitterly depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Yeah, that was bitterly depressing.
    Now try watching this and tell me how you feel.



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    God I can't bear it the guy is such a tool. He's like the fakey douche villain boyfriend in a bad romantic comedy. I mean, I'm not a big fan of her either, she's a little too craaaazy and frenetic.

    I will say I am a fan of Bonnie Hunt though. I'm liking her.
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    I'm fairly sure she's ESE, and I think he might be SLI, making it a Supervision relationship (which as romantic relationships are infamous for starting well, and spiralling downward rapidly after the initial infatuation phase is over).

    It was helpful to watch the "before" videos, when they were happy. The last video Parkster posted ("Vienna's last date with Jake"), especially. I think Vienna displayed certain weaknesses ESEs often have in relationships -- becoming overwhelmed with passion early on, making decisions based on emotion, jumping into things too quickly and not foreseeing what could happen. An EIE, I think, would have picked up on the way things were going sooner, and therefore been less hesitant to leave the relationship (i.e., an EIE would have been less inclined to believe him when Jake said that things would change and he was going to be more physically and emotionally intimate, etc., and not been convinced to stay).

    Jake, on the other hand, seems unable to handle Vienna's emotional outbursts. "You keep interrupting me," is his complaint -- he is overwhelmed by her emotional outpourings and seems unaware of how to make her feel better; indeed he seems annoyed that he should have to make her feel better at all. Furthermore, he is frustrated that she doesn't appreciate his Te advice. It makes him feel emasculated that she sees his strengths as of little value -- the GPS thing, for example, or measuring the distance between the bed and the dresser.

    I could see LSI for Jake, but this doesn't seem like Semi-Duality to me. Supervision makes more sense. A couple of times he said that he feels like he "can't do anything right" with her, and he clearly feels unappreciated and undervalued. For her part, her main issue seems to be that she couldn't understand why he was pulling away and no longer being intimate, and didn't understand why he felt hurt and resentful when she was just behaving normally with no hurtful intentions. I think this matches up well with Supervision -- a particularly bad case of Supervision.

    It's rather heartbreaking to see two people so hopeful and in love in those early videos, and having no idea that they were doomed from the start.

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    After watching the whole thing, I would be inclined to agree with Pinocchio's typings.
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    that was really entertaining. They're both basically psycho. Especially the girl. She was freaking hysterical.

    Definitely seems like a conflict between an Se-valuer and an Ne-valuer, but the quadras/types beyond that I can't tell you. EP/IJ seems reasonable, but I question whether or not they're actually conflictors. Certainly their relationship looks like a conflicting relationship, but I'd imagine most really bad breakups could be mistaken for a conflicting relationship. IJ is perfect for him, but I wonder if she isn't EJ/some ethical type. She seems to be an extrovert and he seems to be an introvert. Now that I think about it, he's definitely an Fi-valuer and she's probably an Fe-valuer (look at how he reacts to her big emotional reaction! I wouldn't be surprised if he's Fe superego). Now that I think about it, is LIE/ILE or LIE/ESE unreasonable? I hate to type her ESE just 'cause she's having a big emotional reaction.

    He looks so angry the whole interview. He honestly looks like he's fantasizing about ripping up the set and burning it down. It's really entertaining. He does seem a little smarmy and fake, but I think I have more sympathy for the dude. The girl is really annoying. But I mean... he's obviously somewhat of jerk too.

    I watched another interview. And I think she's an Fe-ego. But I don't buy SLI for him and certainly not ILI. Shrug. Typing is hard. If I knew them personally it'd be easier. Now that I think about it, she kinda reminds me of an ESE I know. I'd actually say superegos or extinguishment.
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    Default The Bachlorette's Emily and Jef

    Well, now I have to admit I watched this, but, I did. Emily struck me as a sincere person, and I wanted to see how she would handle this crazy way to pick a husband. Okay, so that's my excuse. I watched the shows on the computer and then actually cleared my schedule to watch the finale.

    Jef: ISTP -SLI
    Emily: ENFP -IEE

    I feel really confident about Jef being ISTP. He just has that quiet love, that steady self-awareness, that un-showy persona, that slowness in making a the initial move (Emily had to make it clear she was interested) and that steadfast sureness and willingness to embrace her and all that is hers (particularly her daughter) once he made up his mind.

    Emily I thought had to be a J but the only J types I thought for her - ENFJ, INFJ, ESFJ, would be a mismatch with Jef's ISTP, which I feel I would have seen, so I am thinking IEE, which would explain that Duality like match they seem to be. Unexplainable with words other than their over-used "amazing", they just display that relaxing togetherness and in-syncness when they are together. Which is familiar to me, how I feel with my Dual.

    The P would afford her adaptability, which would be needed on a show like this.

    Did anyone watch this and have an opinion?

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    I would agree with Emily being IEE, Jeff SLI. I love my mirrors, they are so super sweet and have way more bam in their Se than I do . I like the way she's abel to express her emotions and thoughts about Jef and I like how Jef is working on seeing the image of them coming together like a work of art, as he says. I mean what other type sees things as "work"?

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    Boy, you really have an eye for duality. They are so perfect together, it melts my heart with joy.
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    Marista, I am glad you agree! Yes, i think they are Duals, and those particular ones! Aren't you and I blessed to have Duals in our life? Its just not fair in some ways, to be so blessed. But my Dual and I have some obstacles to overcome; its not all-easy (primarily, distance and getting our lives together, particularly his, after he has suffered some setbacks, following too many years under the reign of an unstable Supervisor wife, immediately followed by his daughter's crisis's associated with narcotics addiction).

    Sometimes I wonder why I should be so blessed, even though it is not because of "deserving", but, instead, gifts of God come because of Who He is - Love and Mercy. And Generosity. All those good things. So even though I didn't earn this grace, I do enjoy thinking about why God might have blessed happy situations.

    In the case of Emily and Jef, in spite of the shows tiringly overdoing it about how Emily is a single Mom, and its all about the daughter Ricki - the fact is, that little girl never had a father figure in her life, and that is a sad thing. All the money in the world does not replace a Dad. Now she will be blessed with happy parents and a Dad who really wants the role of being her "real Dad".

    I feel that my SLI and I getting together, especially in its timing - which was at a real low point for him when he did not seem to seek out anything for his life and future anymore - was a gift of God to a man so faithful to doing what is right by the people he loved for so many years when there was nothing in it for him. And he was so faithful to God - he prayed Divine Office prayers and the Angelus 2-3x daily so faithfully, through think and thin, for some thirty years. Now I am something for him, as if God gave me to him. And I am so for him.

    And for me, I had a really sad, lonely, sttressful marriage for many years, then some seven years of really no one for me but God (who is faithful!). I learned that God is sufficient, and even though I am a more of a one-on-one kind of person, I was okay to have God be my "one" and no other special one for me for the rest of my days on earth. But God knew this would make me happy, I think, and He is generous, and this is the loveliest-ever (undeserved) gift from Him..

    Well, I had more thoughts on Emily and Jef, but i have to run. But for anyone who did not see the Bachlorette finale, Jimmy Kimmel put together this 30-second synopsis as a public service: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NdHziQBLK4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Marista, I am glad you agree! Yes, i think they are Duals, and those particular ones! Aren't you and I blessed to have Duals in our life? Its just not fair in some ways, to be so blessed. But my Dual and I have some obstacles to overcome; its not all-easy (primarily, distance and getting our lives together, particularly his, after he has suffered some setbacks, following too many years under the reign of an unstable Supervisor wife, immediately followed by his daughter's crisis's associated with narcotics addiction).

    Sometimes I wonder why I should be so blessed, even though it is not because of "deserving", but, instead, gifts of God come because of Who He is - Love and Mercy. And Generosity. All those good things. So even though I didn't earn this grace, I do enjoy thinking about why God might have blessed happy situations.

    In the case of Emily and Jef, in spite of the shows tiringly overdoing it about how Emily is a single Mom, and its all about the daughter Ricki - the fact is, that little girl never had a father figure in her life, and that is a sad thing. All the money in the world does not replace a Dad. Now she will be blessed with happy parents and a Dad who really wants the role of being her "real Dad".

    I feel that my SLI and I getting together, especially in its timing - which was at a real low point for him when he did not seem to seek out anything for his life and future anymore - was a gift of God to a man so faithful to doing what is right by the people he loved for so many years when there was nothing in it for him. And he was so faithful to God - he prayed Divine Office prayers and the Angelus 2-3x daily so faithfully, through think and thin, for some thirty years. Now I am something for him, as if God gave me to him. And I am so for him.

    And for me, I had a really sad, lonely, sttressful marriage for many years, then some seven years of really no one for me but God (who is faithful!). I learned that God is sufficient, and even though I am a more of a one-on-one kind of person, I was okay to have God be my "one" and no other special one for me for the rest of my days on earth. But God knew this would make me happy, I think, and He is generous, and this is the loveliest-ever (undeserved) gift from Him..

    Well, I had more thoughts on Emily and Jef, but i have to run. But for anyone who did not see the Bachlorette finale, Jimmy Kimmel put together this 30-second synopsis as a public service: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NdHziQBLK4
    omg the other guy in the final decision was an lsi

    I like how IEE describe SLI and the sensations they get from the relations is "normal, and relaxed."

    I have to admit..he's a sappy SLI because he writes Romantic poems to her. So sappy.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    omg the other guy in the final decision was an lsi

    I like how IEE describe SLI and the sensations they get from the relations is "normal, and relaxed."

    I have to admit..he's a sappy SLI because he writes Romantic poems to her. So sappy.
    Emily had it down to a Dual and a Conflictor?? Wow, explains why she explained to LSI-Arie that, while they we a good pair, and she saw a future for them for a long time, she thought SLI-Jef was right for a really long future. That's how I feel about my SLI, confident in a long future, come what may. Also Emily is NF so I think as she was sincerely looking for a forever-husband, she sensed she needs the stabilizing of an ST. Which explains why she was drawn to both the ISTJ and ISTp. (Arie jsut needs to find a nice ENFJ now and he will be good to go...)

    I wonder what her previous fiance was, from the Bachelor? Brad Womack? (I saw only a couple of episodes so I couldn't say).

    Well, I would be pleased as can be if my SLI gets sappy and writes me some poems. He has written some dear things to me in emails... But I am just happy with the look in his eyes and the sureness of his touch that say, "I see you, I know you, and I want you with me..."

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    P.S. Marista, have you been in a serious relationship with an ISTj/LSI?? Care to comment on the Super-Ego relationship?

    Because a close, long-time INFj friend has been in an addicting one for some years now. She is a single-mom, too, with sons my son's age, and we met in the beginning of our ill-fated marriages, and have known each other over the years. Her LSI-love is on again/off-again: he leaves - or flees, I should say - for another, (can be a random one he just met), when they get close and she gets secure... She gets heartbroken, gets therapy, finds peace then around he comes and wins her back. Lots of lovely physical touch like Arie was with Emily. This last time she got quite determined to never take him back, but he seemed to have really reformed, she said, and they are together again. (She is quite a determined, tolerant lover in this romance, an almost martyr-like devotion). I hope she is right, and try to hold onto that hope to support her, but I am afraid for her...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Emily had it down to a Dual and a Conflictor?? Wow, explains why she explained to LSI-Arie that, while they we a good pair, and she saw a future for them for a long time, she thought SLI-Jef was right for a really long future. That's how I feel about my SLI, confident in a long future, come what may. Also Emily is NF so I think as she was sincerely looking for a forever-husband, she sensed she needs the stabilizing of an ST. Which explains why she was drawn to both the ISTJ and ISTp. (Arie jsut needs to find a nice ENFJ now and he will be good to go...)

    I wonder what her previous fiance was, from the Bachelor? Brad Womack? (I saw only a couple of episodes so I couldn't say).

    Well, I would be pleased as can be if my SLI gets sappy and writes me some poems. He has written some dear things to me in emails... But I am just happy with the look in his eyes and the sureness of his touch that say, "I see you, I know you, and I want you with me..."

    ____________

    P.S. Marista, have you been in a serious relationship with an ISTj/LSI?? Care to comment on the Super-Ego relationship?

    Because a close, long-time INFj friend has been in an addicting one for some years now. She is a single-mom, too, with sons my son's age, and we met in the beginning of our ill-fated marriages, and have known each other over the years. Her LSI-love is on again/off-again: he leaves - or flees, I should say - for another, (can be a random one he just met), when they get close and she gets secure... She gets heartbroken, gets therapy, finds peace then around he comes and wins her back. Lots of lovely physical touch like Arie was with Emily. This last time she got quite determined to never take him back, but he seemed to have really reformed, she said, and they are together again. (She is quite a determined, tolerant lover in this romance, an almost martyr-like devotion). I hope she is right, and try to hold onto that hope to support her, but I am afraid for her...
    I'm not in a serious relationship with an LSI; I've been dating one lately. The comments I have to make are that from the usage of his Se, in noticing things about me, I feel really uncomfortable around him sometimes. He calls me up on extremely spontaneous and impulsive dates, which greatly disrupts my inner rhythm because I feel as though I'm not ever given enough time to prepare and look the way I want to and because I don't want to invite any external criticism of the way I look, I often feel as though on these dates I am doing just that. On one date, I was wearing my hair up and he stuck his finger in my hair and aggressively pulled out my band then he said "Now you look like a girl." Of course, implying that I don't look like a girl? I don't think that's what his TRUTHful statement was meant to say and mean, but certainly it made me feel really bad and it made me want to say thing to defend myself. I feel that way almost consistently with him, as though I need to defend my positions, when in reality he probably doesn't mean to hurt or make me feel bad. He points out physical things about me that I don't want pointed out about the way I dress, look, and other typical LSI related things that you may observe from reading a dual description of LSE/EIE (which implies that that is their program function, or how they behave naturally), which makes my interaction with him very unnatural and sometimes very uncomfortable. I chose to date him because looking past these things, I too, just like you, can see the potential in him. He's a nice person; certainly doesn't want to intentionally hurt or harm anyone, is responsible and tries to be a very caring individual. I guess, sadly, I think sometimes that I may not be with a dual. That I'll just have to content with either living by myself or just dating other near compatible types. It makes me truly sad. I just don't have enough power, or will to lure anyone in or entice anyone's interest in me. I just exist and hope that someone will recognize me. I do what I love and enjoy too, so I'm not completely lonely. We're both introverts too and instead of me getting some emotional shifts during conversations, like what my duals would do which is tell humorous things or humorous remarks, he and I just sit quietly, introspectively and occasionally blurb some comment out about the statics of things; he will as for Fe, "well isn't that boring" or "people are lively here" and I will just observe the relationships between people and try to come up with some topic of conversation only to have short answer replies returned at me. It's energy enough for me to try to show interest by making some conversation; I asked one day "Do you cook?" and the reply was "occasionally" or "yes"; well, I was hoping for something that might develop to more of a "sure I do and this is what I cook, sometimes I make chicken and invite people over..." But, no, the conversations are very brief.

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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