View Poll Results: Do identical functions differ from quadra to quadra?

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  • The functions are the same regardless of quadra ("Beta Fe" is the same as "Alpha Fe" etc.)

    8 42.11%
  • The functions differ from quadra to quadra (Beta/Gamma Ni not same, Delta/Alpha Ne aren't etc.)

    11 57.89%
  • Some functions differ, others are the same (Gamma Te = Delta Te, Beta Fe doesn't = Alpha Fe etc.)

    0 0%
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    Default The big question

    There's always talk about Alpha and Beta Fe, and how they are different or not, but what about the other functions? Surely, logically, they too can be quadrically influenced, so that Gamma and Beta Ni are different; or Alpha and Delta Si are different. Are any of the the functions different, or are they all just the same?

    I'd be interested to here from anyone, but especially the reasons why those who believe some are the same but others are different believe that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    There's always talk about Alpha and Beta Fe, and how they are different or not, but what about the other functions? Surely, logically, they too can be quadrically influenced, so that Gamma and Beta Ni are different; or Alpha and Delta Si are different. Are any of the the functions different, or are they all just the same?
    Each of the IM elements manifests differently in different quadra(s), since each is paired with different functions in each quadra(/um?) (for instance, Alpha Fe is paired with Si and Beta Fe with Ni). On the other hand there are traits that apply to each element regardless of quadra, so I guess my short answer is "a little of both."

    It just struck me that "quadra" is a very strange word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro View Post
    Each of the IM elements manifests differently in different quadra(s), since each is paired with different functions in each quadra(/um?) (for instance, Alpha Fe is paired with Si and Beta Fe with Ni). On the other hand there are traits that apply to each element regardless of quadra, so I guess my short answer is "a little of both."
    Yes. The theoretical information elements are the same, but the that the functions are at times a little different.

    IE in Model A they are not individuals, they all have an affect on each other. So therefore manifest differently.
    It just struck me that "quadra" is a very strange word.
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    Yes, they differ, but only because they work in combination with other functions.

    When we're talking about specific types, there's no such thing as pure Te, for example. It is, in the very least, either Te + Ni or Te + Si. And there are many other factors as well, of course (such as Te + Se hidden agenda, or Te + Ni PoLR).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Yes, they differ, but only because they work in combination with other functions.

    When we're talking about specific types, there's no such thing as pure Te, for example. It is, in the very least, either Te + Ni or Te + Si. And there are many other factors as well, of course (such as Te + Se hidden agenda, or Te + Ni PoLR).

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    IMO, the functions are the same, it's just that they're influence by other valued functions in that quadra that makes them different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    There's always talk about Alpha and Beta Fe, and how they are different or not, but what about the other functions? Surely, logically, they too can be quadrically influenced, so that Gamma and Beta Ni are different; or Alpha and Delta Si are different. Are any of the the functions different, or are they all just the same?

    I'd be interested to here from anyone, but especially the reasons why those who believe some are the same but others are different believe that.


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