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    How would you describe Ne? (In your own words.)
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    That could as well be stated by fewer words. "Divergent thinking".
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    If I'm in a library of many books, I can't read all of them. But I have read some of them. I know that books next to books I have already read will be similar in content, so I don't need to read all of the books.

    It's quite easy for me to take pages out a book I have already read and to replace those pages with other pages, or to just write some new pages myself. Each book gives me a general idea or an image, and I can play around with that to get new ideas or images, which might basically be the same (i.e. tailored slightly to whatever problem I have) or almost completely different.

    If I'm in a new situation that is alien to me, I consider past solutions to problems with slight similarities to the problem currently facing me. I choose the best solution based on my limited understanding, but with alterations where relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    It's quite easy for me to take pages out a book I have already read and to replace those pages with other pages, or to just write some new pages myself.
    your local library must love you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat View Post
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    I just wrote this the other day, and I think this is pretty much how I see .

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    Not only are there connections between objects in my head, but there exist objects that I think can connect, I'm pretty sure that I can connect, but the connection does not exist yet.

    ...

    It really is like a spider web, but not as symmetric, and the nodes are of different shapes and sizes.

    I can't see the whole web at the same time. Only the object I'm on and relatively nearby objects. To get to an object that is far away, I have to traverse through several objects to see it.

    When I can't make a connection, I put it aside but it doesn't leave my mind. It's almost like a mental to do list of which each piece is associated with an object on the web.
    The web is intricate and ornate. I get lost in it sometimes.

    This has been mentioned, but I agree -- it's about being able to see the connections between two (or more) objects or ideas. It's a melding of those objects and ideas and seeing the connections between them.

    Examples: When I see someone's face and their face reminds me of someone.

    When a topic is discussed and there was a point that was made in some article that I read in the past (maybe a few days ago, maybe a month ago... the amount of time is arbitrary) and I know generally how to access that point.

    When I hear a song, and something about the song reminds me of a similar song or artist, be it in style or melody, and I remember where it was that I heard it.


    These things come naturally to me, and I feel like I'm constantly in this kind of connectedness zone. Things I sense, see, touch, smell, taste on a daily basis reminds me of things that are very similar. And I'm constantly drawing comparisons to things that I perceive (which uses other functions to assist that process, like and )
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    I have often described Ne as a flash of lightening. The ones that have branches off of branches off of branches. And the end points of all those branches would be what hits my mind near simultaneously.



    It can be staggering overwhelming at times.

    But just as you can see in the picture, some of those branches are stronger than others..this helps signify that the end point (sudden thought/image/feeling) is likely to be brighter than those with thinner, less hardy branches. The stronger the point/branch, it seems, the more potentiality it has to be. I think that this may have something to do with the connections in the brain. Some of the books I've read have talked about how some mental pathways that are traveled regularly have stronger connections, while those less traveled grow weaker and/or break (you forget).

    Regardless of exactness, this is how it's always felt to me. As well as Fi being what I use to help me sort through them. (I honestly don't understand how Ti can sort through it, but theory says that there are NeTi, and some people identify with NeTi, so, *shrugs* )

    An example of it in more practical terms would be if I'm reading a sentence.
    "(a) blah blah (b) blah (d) blah blah blah (f)."

    My mind more often reads it as something more like:
    "(a, g, h, j) blah blah (r, b) blah (f, d, e) blah blah blah (f?huh???)."
    In order to sort through that, I have to pay attention to what might have been going on inside the person who made the statement, and if I don't know them well enough, I may have to resort to questions along the lines of
    "are you saying '(g) blah blah (b) blah (e) blah blah blah (f)?'
    Or is it '(a) blah blah (r) blah (d) blah blah blah (f?huh???)?"

    Anyways, the point of that example was to show how the lightening branch points show up in studies and conversations. At least in writing I can reread it a few times to figure out the meaning. In real time, I become quiet and nervous and unsure unless we're talking about people's relationships with others/things. With those subjects, I'm able to figure out the points involved at a much faster rate, and can thus actually, maybe, carry on a conversation about it, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    I have often described Ne as a flash of lightening. The ones that have branches off of branches off of branches. And the end points of all those branches would be what hits my mind near simultaneously.

    That reminds me how LSI's think and do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    I have often described Ne as a flash of lightening. The ones that have branches off of branches off of branches. And the end points of all those branches would be what hits my mind near simultaneously.



    It can be staggering overwhelming at times.

    But just as you can see in the picture, some of those branches are stronger than others..this helps signify that the end point (sudden thought/image/feeling) is likely to be brighter than those with thinner, less hardy branches. The stronger the point/branch, it seems, the more potentiality it has to be. I think that this may have something to do with the connections in the brain. Some of the books I've read have talked about how some mental pathways that are traveled regularly have stronger connections, while those less traveled grow weaker and/or break (you forget).

    Regardless of exactness, this is how it's always felt to me. As well as Fi being what I use to help me sort through them. (I honestly don't understand how Ti can sort through it, but theory says that there are NeTi, and some people identify with NeTi, so, *shrugs* )

    An example of it in more practical terms would be if I'm reading a sentence.
    "(a) blah blah (b) blah (d) blah blah blah (f)."

    My mind more often reads it as something more like:
    "(a, g, h, j) blah blah (r, b) blah (f, d, e) blah blah blah (f?huh???)."
    In order to sort through that, I have to pay attention to what might have been going on inside the person who made the statement, and if I don't know them well enough, I may have to resort to questions along the lines of
    "are you saying '(g) blah blah (b) blah (e) blah blah blah (f)?'
    Or is it '(a) blah blah (r) blah (d) blah blah blah (f?huh???)?"

    Anyways, the point of that example was to show how the lightening branch points show up in studies and conversations. At least in writing I can reread it a few times to figure out the meaning. In real time, I become quiet and nervous and unsure unless we're talking about people's relationships with others/things. With those subjects, I'm able to figure out the points involved at a much faster rate, and can thus actually, maybe, carry on a conversation about it, lol.
    Woah, that's nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    I have often described Ne as a flash of lightening. The ones that have branches off of branches off of branches. And the end points of all those branches would be what hits my mind near simultaneously.



    It can be staggering overwhelming at times.

    But just as you can see in the picture, some of those branches are stronger than others..this helps signify that the end point (sudden thought/image/feeling) is likely to be brighter than those with thinner, less hardy branches. The stronger the point/branch, it seems, the more potentiality it has to be. I think that this may have something to do with the connections in the brain. Some of the books I've read have talked about how some mental pathways that are traveled regularly have stronger connections, while those less traveled grow weaker and/or break (you forget).

    Regardless of exactness, this is how it's always felt to me. As well as Fi being what I use to help me sort through them. (I honestly don't understand how Ti can sort through it, but theory says that there are NeTi, and some people identify with NeTi, so, *shrugs* )

    An example of it in more practical terms would be if I'm reading a sentence.
    "(a) blah blah (b) blah (d) blah blah blah (f)."

    My mind more often reads it as something more like:
    "(a, g, h, j) blah blah (r, b) blah (f, d, e) blah blah blah (f?huh???)."
    In order to sort through that, I have to pay attention to what might have been going on inside the person who made the statement, and if I don't know them well enough, I may have to resort to questions along the lines of
    "are you saying '(g) blah blah (b) blah (e) blah blah blah (f)?'
    Or is it '(a) blah blah (r) blah (d) blah blah blah (f?huh???)?"

    Anyways, the point of that example was to show how the lightening branch points show up in studies and conversations. At least in writing I can reread it a few times to figure out the meaning. In real time, I become quiet and nervous and unsure unless we're talking about people's relationships with others/things. With those subjects, I'm able to figure out the points involved at a much faster rate, and can thus actually, maybe, carry on a conversation about it, lol.
    So Ne is like listening to a story,and while listening to the story you're constantly making connections,or your figuring out the point of the story,or what the person's motivations or potential from the story are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    I have often described Ne as a flash of lightening. The ones that have branches off of branches off of branches. And the end points of all those branches would be what hits my mind near simultaneously.



    It can be staggering overwhelming at times.

    But just as you can see in the picture, some of those branches are stronger than others..this helps signify that the end point (sudden thought/image/feeling) is likely to be brighter than those with thinner, less hardy branches. The stronger the point/branch, it seems, the more potentiality it has to be. I think that this may have something to do with the connections in the brain. Some of the books I've read have talked about how some mental pathways that are traveled regularly have stronger connections, while those less traveled grow weaker and/or break (you forget).

    Regardless of exactness, this is how it's always felt to me. As well as Fi being what I use to help me sort through them. (I honestly don't understand how Ti can sort through it, but theory says that there are NeTi, and some people identify with NeTi, so, *shrugs* )

    An example of it in more practical terms would be if I'm reading a sentence.
    "(a) blah blah (b) blah (d) blah blah blah (f)."

    My mind more often reads it as something more like:
    "(a, g, h, j) blah blah (r, b) blah (f, d, e) blah blah blah (f?huh???)."
    In order to sort through that, I have to pay attention to what might have been going on inside the person who made the statement, and if I don't know them well enough, I may have to resort to questions along the lines of
    "are you saying '(g) blah blah (b) blah (e) blah blah blah (f)?'
    Or is it '(a) blah blah (r) blah (d) blah blah blah (f?huh???)?"

    Anyways, the point of that example was to show how the lightening branch points show up in studies and conversations. At least in writing I can reread it a few times to figure out the meaning. In real time, I become quiet and nervous and unsure unless we're talking about people's relationships with others/things. With those subjects, I'm able to figure out the points involved at a much faster rate, and can thus actually, maybe, carry on a conversation about it, lol.
    That makes sense, good description. And I can see Ne especially being that way for you (in terms of going boundlessly and getting lost) as an Ne sub ENFp. I relate to what you said about Ne, but I think as a Ti sub ENTp I tend to bounce all around a bit less and Ne for me is more like something that I use to illustrate stuff or think about/consider something with. For me I guess its more selective.

    Oh yeah, and that pic reminds me of a retina lol (Ne right thurrr ;P)

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    In my words, I see extroverted intuition as a third person awareness of the connections between things.

    The simple example I like is of Isaac Newton seeing the connection between the apple falling to the ground and the moon rotating around the earth. Both phenomenon are explained by gravity.

    His question is 'why does the apple fall and the moon rotate?', which is a third person (extroverted) orientation.

    Contrast this with an introverted, first person intuitive orientation which would not necessarily seek relationships between things, but instead predict what the thing will do next, or even intuit the rate at which the apple falls. Perhaps Ni would ask, 'when or how does the apple fall, and are there instances when it does not fall?'

    Essentially, I see extroversion and introversion as third person and first person. Intuition is seeing the connections and relationships of or between things.

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    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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