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    Fi is about inner emotion, harmony, and the like, correct? My theory is this: given that Fi is about how we and others feel, then attacking someone in a way that is aimed at hurting their feelings is another use of it, one applied when we are sufficiently provoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Fi is about inner emotion, harmony, and the like, correct? My theory is this: given that Fi is about how we and others feel, then attacking someone in a way that is aimed at hurting their feelings is another use of it, one applied when we are sufficiently provoked.
    I see that as still Fe.

    Starting from the same action, as in saying: "I hate you and I wish you were dead".

    From a Fe point of view: I am saying this in order to provoke an emotional response in you, that is, to hurt you.

    From a Fi point of view: I am saying this because this is how I see our relationship now and I want this established.

    The difference is:

    From the Fe point of view, the successful reaction is you saying, "oh no! Don't say that, how can you hate me?"
    The non-successful reaction is, "who cares if you hate me? Heh".

    From the Fi point of view, the successful reaction is you saying, "okay I got it, I understand you hate me".
    The non-successful reaction is, "nah you don't mean it. You don't hate me. I'll give you time until tomorrow to chill out".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I see that as still Fe.

    Starting from the same action, as in saying: "I hate you and I wish you were dead".

    From a Fe point of view: I am saying this in order to provoke an emotional response in you, that is, to hurt you.

    From a Fi point of view: I am saying this because this is how I see our relationship now and I want this established.

    The difference is:

    From the Fe point of view, the successful reaction is you saying, "oh no! Don't say that, how can you hate me?"
    The non-successful reaction is, "who cares if you hate me? Heh".

    From the Fi point of view, the successful reaction is you saying, "okay I got it, I understand you hate me".
    The non-successful reaction is, "nah you don't mean it. You don't hate me. I'll give you time until tomorrow to chill out".
    Would that make it Fe demonstrative, then, as that's what comes out when we're under stress?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Would that make it Fe demonstrative, then, as that's what comes out when we're under stress?
    I'm not following you. Could you please elaborate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I'm not following you. Could you please elaborate?
    My understanding (at least from one source) is that our demonstrative is stress-related, at least to some degree. Which would make sense as to why someone like me would be more interested in keeping harmony, at least until we're p'd off, at which point we go for the jugular, trying to hurt feelings instead of preserve them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    My understanding (at least from one source) is that our demonstrative is stress-related, at least to some degree. Which would make sense as to why someone like me would be more interested in keeping harmony, at least until we're p'd off, at which point we go for the jugular, trying to hurt feelings instead of preserve them.
    If I get angry at someone and under stress, I have a strong sense of how my actions will affect the other person should I choose a certain path. For instance, say I'm with a group of people that I'm generally reserved around, I know that if I choose to slam my desk or throw some furniture around that the other people in the room will look in my direction and be somewhat bewlidered and shocked. And then subsequent questions will be asked "Josh! Are you all right? What's going on?" I feel fairly confident about how my actions will affect others around me. Using it, on the other hand, is a different story.

    I can see in my mind different paths of action that I can take when I'm angry, and I purposely don't choose actions that I think will elicit too strong of a response from others. I feel like I have too much power to really hurt someone if I really wanted to (though I might be overestimating that), but I opt to hold it back.

    I think that's more demonstrative
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    From a Fe point of view: I am saying this in order to provoke an emotional response in you, that is, to hurt you.

    From a Fi point of view: I am saying this because this is how I see our relationship now and I want this established.
    Surely you plan to correct such an obvious bias...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    Surely you plan to correct such an obvious bias...
    I'm not conscious Fe, so I can't speak for it, but I completely agree with the Fi example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    Surely you plan to correct such an obvious bias...
    I see it as simplistic, but not biased.

    Fe is dynamic, so Fe-related actions refer to dynamic internal (ie emotional) states.

    Fi is static and Fi changes are more like quantum leaps. So Fi-related actions refert to re-establishing a static state.

    My particular example of using Fe to hurt someone was negative because that's how the question was put, that is, to "attack" someone.

    Where do you see an "obvious bias"?
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    I apologize for this useless, nitpicking post...
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Starting from the same action, as in saying: "I hate you and I wish you were dead".
    I think this is Fe, a Fi ego when saying this would be using his id Fe, but even if we try to see it as Fi, its purpose is still to hurt.

    So the bias was in saying that Fe would be trying to hurt (bad), while Fi would be motivated by a desire to express his information on the relationship (neutral/good).

    A better comparison would have been for example: Fe is trying to hurt by outwardly expressing emotions, Fi is trying to hurt by establishing how bad the relationship is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    A better comparison would have been for example: Fe is trying to hurt by outwardly expressing emotions, Fi is trying to hurt by establishing how bad the relationship is.
    Yup. I'm sorry to say this but while Expat shows a great knowledge about socionics, he still doesn't quite get what Fi really is.

    Asking a true Fi type might help with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Fi is about inner emotion, harmony, and the like, correct? My theory is this: given that Fi is about how we and others feel, then attacking someone in a way that is aimed at hurting their feelings is another use of it, one applied when we are sufficiently provoked.
    I think your right about Fi.

    In terms of descriptions, shorthand I would say Fe is concerned more so with external emotional cues, such as how frequently does someone smile, glare etc..lots of emotional cues of facial expressions is Fe.

    Fi is more internal as to morals, subjective judgements of behaviours and the like, being needy or not.

    So I guess Fe aimed at hurting someones feelings would look to create unhappy expressions and body language to see it achieving its goal. Fi would look to make a person question the morals and values and their self worth along those lines, internally.

    Well, thats my 2cents on it.

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