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    How come INFp's are the dominant girl in my life lol? My exes have been INFp's, and the only two girls that are my friends are INFp's. They seem to be the only girls that are laid back enough to talk to me and laff with me. I think they are just very kind and social beings.

    Very confusing. Turn me into an ESTp and i will be set forever
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    I got this theory... actually it was something I saw on a cartoon... You sit here in this chair and I hit you over the head with this hammer until you wake up ESTp. Waddya say?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat View Post
    I got this theory... actually it was something I saw on a cartoon... You sit here in this chair and I hit you over the head with this hammer until you wake up ESTp. Waddya say?!?
    Should that've excited me?
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    Should that've excited me?
    I don't know. did it?
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    Isn't the relationship between ENFps and INFps supposed to become unpleasant after a while? Or does that just happen if you get too close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schrödinger's cat View Post
    Isn't the relationship between ENFps and INFps supposed to become unpleasant after a while? Or does that just happen if you get too close?
    well yah, INFps and ENFps are both amongst the most cleverly lazy, resource intensive, attention demanding types in the socion, so they wear each other out and run out of money fast, this leads to arguments etc. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by schrödinger's cat View Post
    Isn't the relationship between ENFps and INFps supposed to become unpleasant after a while? Or does that just happen if you get too close?
    Yeah the intertype / quadra relations predict this. If you dont over do it theres no reason you cant spend some fun times with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat View Post
    I got this theory... actually it was something I saw on a cartoon... You sit here in this chair and I hit you over the head with this hammer until you wake up ESTp. Waddya say?!?
    If it works i will give it a try. ESTp's aren't too bad

    Anyway i think INFp's are a treat
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    I spent my first five months with an IEI during a period when I didn't know anybody and was often listless and depressed. Part of these feelings were the result of our relationship, which I would characterize as "love-hate." On the one hand, I could air my thoughts and feelings and say what I felt around him (that's generally the effect IEIs have on people), and on the other hand, his mannerisms and "everything about him" would suddenly intensely irritate me, and I would feel like physically pushing him away from me and getting him out of my life space.
    I had the best of intentions and wanted to be friendly, upbeat, and genuinely interested, but the same love-hate pattern resurfaced almost immediately, and I left dejected about my inability to change anything.

    Since then, I have been drawn to and confounded by similar qualities in other IEIs I have become friends with.

    Why does it have to be so hard ?
    I feel so helpless.. and sad


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali View Post
    Why does it have to be so hard ?
    I feel so helpless.. and sad


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali View Post
    Why does it have to be so hard ?
    I feel so helpless.. and sad


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    I hear you.
    I'm haplessly in lust and/or love with an IEE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    It's because we have poor Si and Te and this irritates IEE's tremendously. It's one of the main problems that my IEE mother has with me; I often feel as if no matter what I do, I simply cannot make her happy. It becomes evident to me that she becomes highly irritated by my natural behavior, and it stresses her out. I become relentlessly exhausted with her constant nagging about my flaws. I feel as if the only times that she is ever really proud of me is when I subconsciously become aware of my poor Si and attempt to make improvements on it; this never last though.
    I wonder if my mom is also IEE. Does your mom harp constantly on your lack of orderliness? Growing up, I would NEVER make my bed, and my mom ALWAYS nagged abt that. I am pretty much like "What's the point? Who is going to notice in MY room?"

    I'm also quite haphazard about some things like keeping clutter off table surfaces. My mom always makes comments about that. And suggests "improvements" all the time. I swear, no matter how old I get, she still tells me I should brush my hair, "It would look so nice!".

    I'm more a fan of the tousled look.
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    ur mom sounds like an esfj. or well, like a mom!

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    I would deffo type her as a mom

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    The introvert partner usually becomes distant, relations lose warm feelings and become formal and cautious. Both partners may start regretting that they became too trustful.

    The extrovert partner normally gets the false impression that the introvert partner is deliberately acting against them. This can bring a great deal of misunderstanding and surprise into these relations, as both partners are convinced that before everything was fine. The introvert partner usually starts suppressing the activity of the extrovert partner and may reproach and criticise them. The extrovert partner in return can behave in the same way.
    Can anyone suggest how the introvert partner should behave in this case. I know they get this false impression that im acting against them. And i do be the one t hat becomes formal and cautious first (read - close down), when they get it. And i totally realize why they get the False impression - but only *afterwords*. Its then i dont understand what to do. Suppressing (running away), reproach, apologizing all seem to only *mess* it up further. She's an IEE woman, and it completely stiffles her - although she just goes quiet and politely tries to ignore it or just not respond -which then is spiraling..

    any advice? this is an incredible friend..

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    oddly enough, even though we're not mirrors in socionics - i feel she is like me inverted out, of some kind. its a very odd feeling

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    But maybe IEIs don't talk about any deep feelings of theirs unless someone else is very Fe emotional around them, to like show them that is OK to share? I say that because usually people pour out their feelings to me fast (girls and guys) because I'm so curious how people feel about things, but this IEI keeps everything tucked away and I don't usually know that sort of thing about him.
    I usually find myself revealing "deep feelings" when I want to foster a greater closeness between myself and another. Usually, occasion is prompted by internal ruminations bubbling to the surface. Current events sort of resonating, echoes of the past, similar situations, "re-membering" feelings that seek further elaboration, further and fuller expression.

    I think IEIs want to be drawn out; I know I'm always watching for that compelling sense of entering a really meaningful moment, when I can really connect with someone I care for. But really, I don't want to reveal myself to just anyone. It's almost always very purposeful. I'm careful not to invest too much of my emotional energy in superficial contact, so I'm certain I come off to many people as closed. I prefer to share with a smaller circle more deeply than spread myself too thin. At any given time, my reserves just seem limited, so I direct and ration them in places I feel are a bigger emotional "payoff" for me.

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    The other week I'd had a super stressful time and (out of character for me) I had this verbal rant for like 10 minutes and just poured it all out and he just sat there listening. and I apologized for dumping all of that on him, but then he said some things about his own life. so maybe IEIs need to see others express a lot of emotion (like their dual would), in order to express their own?
    Not really for me. I'm more than willing to be the first one to move things along by taking the risk of self-revealing, when I'm trying to break a barrier to real intimacy. There's always a moment where I'm acutely aware that the walls have come down between myself and another for the first time. Sometimes the moment evolves, and sometimes I deliberately act as the catalyst.

    No friend of mine needs to apologize to me for expressing their authentic feelings. I see it more as a privilege and a trust.

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    If that's the case I don't think IEE and them could ever be the best of buds because there wouldn't be anyone to "give in" first as far as revealing themselves emotionally.
    This has been a study lately for me... there definitely is a gap in emotional understanding between IEI and IEE. Despite a verisimilitude in feeling states, I've seen it takes a bit of effort to actually arrive at the same place in actual understanding. I believe this has to do with the difference in expression between and in the creative position. in an IEE isn't necessarily very clearly expressed. A sentiment that sounds sympathetic internally to the IEE, may sound condescending when it reaches an IEI. Not necessarily false, but perhaps somewhat removed from the authentic internal source. To me, it occasionally sounds like an approximation of vulnerability where the real stuff remains still hidden below. IEEs seem much more conservative with actual moments than IEIs. Perhaps it takes more effort to access them...?

    I'm not sure I can really word my perceptions accurately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune View Post
    I usually find myself revealing "deep feelings" when I want to foster a greater closeness between myself and another.
    True. Actually, it's possible this "friend" didn't want to get too close I think.

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    This has been a study lately for me... there definitely is a gap in emotional understanding between IEI and IEE. Despite a verisimilitude in feeling states, I've seen it takes a bit of effort to actually arrive at the same place in actual understanding. I believe this has to do with the difference in expression between and in the creative position. in an IEE isn't necessarily very clearly expressed. A sentiment that sounds sympathetic internally to the IEE, may sound condescending when it reaches an IEI. Not necessarily false, but perhaps somewhat removed from the authentic internal source. To me, it occasionally sounds like an approximation of vulnerability where the real stuff remains still hidden below. IEEs seem much more conservative with actual moments than IEIs. Perhaps it takes more effort to access them...?

    I'm not sure I can really word my perceptions accurately.
    I agree. And also, INFps tend to use huge words like verisimilitude -- I would have to go look that up. My INFp friend also has an enormous vocabulary and it does confuse me at times.

    It may be that INFPs are a type that ENFps really, really want to get closer to -- and you know how ENFps like that challenge -- yet, it may not be possible. I always feel this surface-level thing going on with the INFp, despite it being a fairly long friendship of several months. And i'm always surprised he initiates wanting to hang out again. If only we could all understand eachother better
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    It may be that INFPs are a type that ENFps really, really want to get closer to -- and you know how ENFps like that challenge -- yet, it may not be possible. I always feel this surface-level thing going on with the INFp, despite it being a fairly long friendship of several months. And i'm always surprised he initiates wanting to hang out again. If only we could all understand eachother better
    While I think it's certainly possible to get closer (and worth it, otherwise I wouldn't bother), I also have found it's very gradual going. Several months is nothing -- I've already invested over a year in getting closer to one IEE. :wink:

    I also believe IEIs deeper emotions and strong reactions may scare whomever they're directed towards, so there's always the possibility that he's concerned about your reaction to his inner world. IEEs can often seem to be more comfortable skating on the surface than being immersed in the depths of IEI impressions. IEI intensity is an acquired taste, I think.
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    sigh. This INFp ended up being...a player. How is this possible? Who would have thought INFps were even capable of that? I think I have managed to date player versions of just about all 16 types. The INFp players don't really seem to be, until you look back.
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    Default INFp and ENFp contrary/extinguishment relations (IEI-IEE)

    So I really think that it comes down to sub-types.

    ENFp (Fi) with INFp (Ni) = Good!
    ENFp (Fi) with INFp (Fe) = Bad

    Fi ENFp and Ni INFp I think does well, because the INFp seems quieter, more serious and less emotionally expressive (though they are still warm of course) -- basically, they seem much closer to an ISTp, without the typical barriers to duality. And the ENFp Fi is more talkative and open sooner (vs. the ENFp Ne).

    However, Fi ENFp with Fe INFp is horrible in my opinion. There is so much Fe bouncing around (between the INFp creating that and the ENFp attempting to use fake Fe (as we aren't bad at faking it), so there is no balance. F is flying all over the place.

    It makes me wonder if Ne ENFp would then get along beter with Fe INFp??

    What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    So I really think that it comes down to sub-types.

    ENFp (Fi) with INFp (Ni) = Good!
    ENFp (Fi) with INFp (Fe) = Bad

    Fi ENFp and Ni INFp I think does well, because the INFp seems quieter, more serious and less emotionally expressive (though they are still warm of course) -- basically, they seem much closer to an ISTp, without the typical barriers to duality. And the ENFp Fi is more talkative and open sooner (vs. the ENFp Ne).

    However, Fi ENFp with Fe INFp is horrible in my opinion. There is so much Fe bouncing around (between the INFp creating that and the ENFp attempting to use fake Fe (as we aren't bad at faking it), so there is no balance. F is flying all over the place.

    It makes me wonder if Ne ENFp would then get along beter with Fe INFp??

    What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree?
    well, it's interesting. I have tried messing around with subtypes a bit in terms of thinking why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. You may be on to something. But ultimatly, there are so many other factors that would matter more than subtypes, that it's next to impossible to isolate the subtype factor alone.

    I know what you mean about F flying around. I'm married to ESFj-Fe and a good friend of mine is ISFp (Si) but when he lets loose with the Fe, it's ridiculous! I mean in a good way for being friends, but with the husband it can be overload at times. EVERYONE in our family is Fe base or creative. It's... a lot.
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    Default Extinguishment relations: IEI INFp and IEE ENFp

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    IEI-IEE interrelation
    V. DarkAngelFireWolf69.
    Description Socionics types and intertype relationships.

    Repayment [“extinguishment”]

    Entering into dialogue, the partners are drawn into debate, during which they feel comfortable. They actively express opinions, make more restrained comments on them, introduce amendments. Their behavioral styles appeal to each other, causing a pleasant surprise, leading them to think of the other as having original thinking. However, in the presence of third parties the interaction [“pays off”—not sure what this means here, as it sounds positive but that may be the opposite of what DarkAngelFireWolf69 means. –Golden], allowing each partner to attempt to develop a mutually interesting idea, which the other can challenge. Each partner achieves the same goal in different ways. These paths do not interfere with each other: the competition takes place only in the discussion.

    Recommendations for the consolidation of the pair

    Comfort in these relations can be achieved by communicating in a narrow circle of friends or associates. When bystanders are [paying off], you can challenge each other’s views without major arguments. Knowingly accept criticism of each other. Benefit from it--your ideas become more realistic in the light of criticism from [pogasitelya].

    Engage your partner when you need to critically evaluate or make a forecast of your projects. Do not wait for his active participation in the implementation of your plans. Collaboration of a technological nature will proceed very slowly and in a strict scheme.

    [If the relationship leads to problems, do not sort it out emotionally. ???] Give each other time to be alone, and then resume the relationship as if nothing had happened. The new information you receive will give much food for thought.

    Discharge periodically accumulated anger over [nezlobnye] jokes. From time to time, have a delicious feast with your favorite foods and drinks. Treat each other with folk remedies. [Lolol @ folk remedies, although in fact the two ENFp women I've been close to did just this for me! –G] Combine your ideas to put them to practical use, rather than to try to ascertain the truth. Find answers to your questions in the experience of the past.

    - - - - - - -

    [And another perspective, from Filatova …]

    Yesenin-Huxley [IEI-IEE]

    Yesenin talks about his relationship with Huxley:

    My younger sister and I have five years’ difference in age. Between us we often have quarrels. It seems that I'm trying to teach her to live her life my way, but she does not like it. Recently she told me how, together with a classmate, she went to visit a boy. He put in a cassette to play music, and the girls [were making conversation ???] and drinking tea.

    On the table [he had served them] a [sea-buckthorn] jam, but the girls went to the refrigerator to help themselves to another jam [Ranetok jam]. This story is [typical of] my sister, [not terribly much]; I started to explain to her that one does not behave that way, that it is ugly. She [nedoslushala], turned sharply, and left ...

    Often we have conflicts due to the fact that the room is a mess. [It is difficult for me to maintain a constant state of cleanliness on my own,] although it would be desirable. If I start cleaning, [I have to] insist that my sister put her things in place. She does not like it. We [try to] compromise, but more often [we still end up] quarreling.

    During the week I live in a dorm, and on Sunday I come home. [As soon as I enter] the apartment, [my sister greets me with] a verbal barrage of the stories she has accumulated all week: her wide eyes burn, her hands gesticulate frantically ... I cannot withstand this pressure and go from our room to the kitchen, to be with our mother. I feel guilty, and my sister is, of course, offended. However, she soon forgets the offense and runs quickly to inform me of the next news item she has just remembered. Then I force myself to hold back and listen very carefully, even if I've already heard this "news" from her several times. After that, our relations improve, until the next rift ...


    [Filatova comments:] Here you can see two main causes of conflict. Firstly, a huge difference in the level of energy. Sister (Huxley) has, apparently, a strong temperament, [compared to the] dreamy and depressive, [lower-energy] Esenina. Secondly, [regarding cleaning] the room, [this falls into the area of] business logic [Te] for Esenina, her "pain" function [PoLR], where she needs support, but here she cannot find it, because her partner, in this case, also has this as a weak feature! Restless Huxley, of course, is bored by the cleaning, and [in this instance is also] the youngest child in the family, so apparently, [cleaning is something she is] not accustomed to.
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    wow golden!!! How did u find these??? I didn't know such descriptions existed!

    oh, and MMMMM sea buckthorn jam!!!
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    Hey Golden, it seems you'll have to post more of this stuff now that you started!
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    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

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    Default INFp and ENFp extinguishment relations (romantic)

    How is that likely to go, romantically?
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    In my case, it was always very exciting initially, but the IEI constant push and pull was very hard. I could never be sure about their current state of mind about me. Sometimes they (I dated two) would make me feel like I am the cat's meow and literally a day later they would retreat in some form.

    I also often wanted to feed them Te as in "if you are so frustrated/depressed about situation a, why don't you do B/C, etc?" In other words, I wanted to give practical advice based on their potential, but they never seemed to care, which threw me off totally.

    On the other hand, when I was depressed or frustrated, they would start what I called philosophizing, which didn't help at all. I wanted ice cream or solid advice.

    In good times, it was amazing and fun and magical, but it could also be very frustrating. But then I was in my early 20s and obviously knew nothing of socionics, so I could see it go better now.
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    Yeah I agree. There was this one ENFp-Fi girl I wanted to bone for a while.

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    Default why do I have so many IEE friends?

    I feel like I have about FIVE really good IEE friends. And I don't know how this came to be. Like, they're my close friends too. I wonder if a combination of same club and then irrationality sort of draws us together?

    So in your experience is it easy to be friends with your extinguishment relation? (or maybe it's because my mother is IEE and I'm used to them??)
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    No I don't consider it easy. It is nice at the start though. After that it takes quite a strain and I tend to avoid them. Doesn't mean it would be like that with every IEI I meet. All in all, normal people get along with normal people, regardless of types.
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    Also how many people you would call really good friends? I can number such people on one hand, so I wonder what you mean by "really good".
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Longer a Dating Site View Post
    No I don't consider it easy. It is nice at the start though. After that it takes quite a strain and I tend to avoid them. Doesn't mean it would be like that with every IEI I meet. All in all, normal people get along with normal people, regardless of types.
    No. I'm talking about CLOSE friends here! Like two of my best friends. People I get along with very well and feel safe with and share lots of details of my life with. I feel fairly certain I have them typed correctly. There's a small possibility one of them might be SEI but probably not. Normal people get along with normal people but do they develop close friendships? I dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I feel like I have about FIVE really good IEE friends.
    I had to check the self-typing lists on wikisocion, for some reason I've always thought you self-typed as delta.

    Anyway, I think IEEs are maybe the "friendliest" type around. And the Contrary relation may be quite good for voluntary association when both have the maturity and the interpersonal skills necessary to benefit from it.

    I think I know several both IEI-IEE and ILI-ILE fairly close connections from RL.
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    IEE are sometimes a bit clingy with friends?

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    It really is like they say "The adult part of one is interacting with the rebel teenager of the other person" (and vice versa). It's like we want to talk about the same things but, for one person, the "normal" way to approach the topic sounds too intimate (or obvious) to the other person. Being a heterosexual man, when I talk with males IEI (after some time) it seems like they are always correcting me and being picky (and they think the same about me). When it is with a female IEI it looks like they are challenging me and flirting at the same time. It's just my perception. I think they feel the same about me. In reality that is how it looks but not what actualy is the real intention.

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    Here goes MY perception of A LOT of conversations I (as an ENFp) had with INFps:
    We all are very interested in philosophy, feelings, people and society. BUT, IEE looks at philosophy as an open topic of conversation where people should feel free to explore in a casual conversation. At the same time we give a lot of importance to ours and others feelings. But for us, conversations about feelings are more personal and private.
    Am I wrong to conclude that for IEI is the other way arround? Feelings are ok to talk about in a normal conversation and explore but when it comes to philosophy and views about society it is a personal and private topic that is not so confortable to explore in a casual conversation.

    Am I wrong? This is my experience and conclusion (and, obviously the diferent mentality when it comes to planning/organize etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas View Post
    Here goes MY perception of A LOT of conversations I (as an ENFp) had with INFps:
    We all are very interested in philosophy, feelings, people and society. BUT, IEE looks at philosophy as an open topic of conversation where people should feel free to explore in a casual conversation. At the same time we give a lot of importance to ours and others feelings. But for us, conversations about feelings are more personal and private.
    Am I wrong to conclude that for IEI is the other way arround? Feelings are ok to talk about in a normal conversation and explore but when it comes to philosophy and views about society it is a personal and private topic that is not so confortable to explore in a casual conversation.

    Am I wrong? This is my experience and conclusion (and, obviously the diferent mentality when it comes to planning/organize etc.)
    INFps seem to hold sacred what they have come to believe as true and will defend it whereas ENFps seem to treat most information as temporary or replaceable and often like playing the devil's advocate. Oddly, ENFps seem to have a more self-righteous nature. An ENFp may try to breach an INFp's castle but this is not necessarily unhealthy because the INFp will see the game and easily roll with it. It can be a good learning experience for both in small doses. On impersonal stuff, they can work well together....
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    I read somewhere that intuitives can maintain neutral/pleasant relations with "incompatible" types longer than sensors, so it'd be tamer than most extinguishment relations, which would be tamed even further by the fact that they belong to the humanitarian club. IEE and IEI are all about managing psychological distance (being intuitives first and ethicals second, they're objectively the "best") so if issues ever do arise, they'd probably fester for a long time before either side took it upon themselves to directly confront the other side. "ghosting" and "passive-aggression" were what first came to mind because they'd probably employ indirect tactics to air out their personal grievances, but there'd be a sophisticated veneer of diplomacy at every turn.

    this process would accelerate in group settings where these relations are most prone to conflict. they can have fantastic conversations in private because they have shared interests, hobbies, and values, but they have two polar-opposite methods to implementing those values. it'd resemble a quadra clash where the beta quadra is very much collectivist, even "hive-minded" at times, whereas the delta quadra is more scattered and independent.

    if someone is seeking advice, both types will share their input because that is their area of expertise, but if the advice-seeker prioritizes one type's advice over the other type's advice, then it may instill feelings of inferiority into the type that wasn't chosen. it's like an unsolicited competition, but it's the natural byproduct of being similar on the surface while being wildly different underneath. over time it may happen that the group prioritizes one over the other, which is hurtful insofar that one of them will be deprived of opportunities to share their equally valid input because someone else does it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasp View Post
    (being intuitives first and ethicals second, they're objectively the "best")
    so true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    so true
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    d e a l w i t h i t


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