Kurt Cobain

[Pookie]

"His identification with being a "martyr" for the media fits pretty well with the social role for the INFj"

IMO Sounds more like the Victim style of Ni, than the habitual knack of self sacrifice that manifests in EII.

[Radio]

No way in hell is he INFj. IEI as they come.

[Whoobie77]

I got him as Fe-IEI 5w4 sx/so, I've got Dave Grohl as Ne-IEE and likely 7w6, and I've got Krist Novoselic as ILE. The lyrically-painted scenes that came off to me as Delta, as in Floyd The Barber, Swap Meet, and Mrs. Buttersworth, were portrayed in a very negative and/or sarcastic manner. Floyd The Barber ended with the protagonist, presumably Kurt, dying from being smothered in Andy Griffith's butt, and still the chorus happens afterwards. He's shamed from even beyond the grave, having left his final breath firmly in the ass of his likely LSE Conflictor.

The first Foo Fighters album, the self-titled one, wholly a creation of Dave Grohl, feels soundwise like a small forward motion from the combined entirety of Nirvana, but is completely different in vibe. Just a few lines into the first song; I didn't even notice Nirvana's stuff with the Ne stuff and all, but it's all in a much much more positive light here, and Big Me is downright cozy. On the other side of the token, the pissed off Nirvana stuff sounds like raw catharsis; in Foo Fighters's Good Grief, it sounds to me like Dave wants to take shelter from the turmoil moreso than to find transcendence through it, and Weenie Beenie sounds like a pisstake.

<3 Big Me

also, I'm coming to your house to steal your record collection and musician typology list, woof.

[Amber]

I got him as Fe-IEI 5w4 sx/so,.

There´s no way he was Enneagram 5. IEI - Fe E4 . sp/sx or sx/sp

[woofwoofl]

There´s no was he was Enneagram 5. IEI - Fe E4 . sp/sx or sx/sp

Yes way, yes absolutely 5 over 4. Head triad over image triad. This shined through big time in the lyrics, which as far as I can tell, were mainly deliberately contradictory fragments of cliches he overheard from people in avant-garde, hippie, countercultural circles. The most brutal and anguished sounding scream that came out of him in the context of a Nirvana song was in a song about a novel. 5 detachment/analysis over the 4 inner-world stuff.

As for stackings, I'm more inclined to see him as part of a contra-flow stacking ring than any of the forward flow stackings; the wall of fetuses, bones, organs, and flowers on the back of In Utero strikes me as a sp/sx thing, same with this general murky and muddy aesthetic around the band. Sx first feels right to me, and he sure didn't do too great at the whole self-preservation thing, so I went sx/so.

[Amber]

Yes way, yes absolutely 5 over 4. Head triad over image triad. This shined through big time in the lyrics, which as far as I can tell, were mainly deliberately contradictory fragments of cliches he overheard from people in avant-garde, hippie, countercultural circles. The most brutal and anguished sounding scream that came out of him in the context of a Nirvana song was in a song about a novel. 5 detachment/analysis over the 4 inner-world stuff.

As for stackings, I'm more inclined to see him as part of a contra-flow stacking ring than any of the forward flow stackings; the wall of fetuses, bones, organs, and flowers on the back of In Utero strikes me as a sp/sx thing, same with this general murky and muddy aesthetic around the band. Sx first feels right to me, and he sure didn't do too great at the whole self-preservation thing, so I went sx/so.

^^^^ There´s no way he seeks knowledge and objectivity in his music . Let alone in his life -- typical Ennea 4 drug-addict run by feelings. Heart triad all the way. If you think you find some traces of "intellectualism" in his lyrics, then a 5 wing might explain them. I personally don´t.

[yeves]

There´s no way he was Enneagram 5. IEI - Fe E4 . sp/sx or sx/sp

Yes way, yes absolutely 5 over 4. Head triad over image triad. This shined through big time in the lyrics, which as far as I can tell, were mainly deliberately contradictory fragments of cliches he overheard from people in avant-garde, hippie, countercultural circles. The most brutal and anguished sounding scream that came out of him in the context of a Nirvana song was in a song about a novel. 5 detachment/analysis over the 4 inner-world stuff.

if his lyrics are head triad could he've been a 6?

IEI for his other type

[Kill4Me]

IEI 5w4 sx/sp

IEI-5w4 correlation is a reality due to examples like Cobain

[Muddy]

I thought Kurt Cobain was THE archetype for IEI am I right?

[wacey]

^^^^ There´s no way he seeks knowledge and objectivity in his music . Let alone in his life -- typical Ennea 4 drug-addict run by feelings. Heart triad all the way. If you think you find some traces of "intellectualism" in his lyrics, then a 5 wing might explain them. I personally don´t.

I know she is banned and was a mean cow, but man did she ever hit the nail on the head a lot of times. This being one of them. Curt was at the right place at the right time with the right sound. He was messed up with drugs and this exacerbated his troubled feelings. I actually think he was so washed out by the time he was famous that very little of an actual sociotype remained. If he is like the flagship IEI in western socionic circles, then I feel bad for IEIs entirely.

[HERO]

[hellohellohello]

Introverted, Irrational, Ethical, but he's Alpha. SEI

[get R]

i'm quite certain he's SLE

[Tallmo]

IEI