You could use those, or just use this one:
P's have more fun
You could use those, or just use this one:
P's have more fun
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
HellifIknow... Fun = Fun... whether it's right or wrong... well that I couldn't tell ya. I'm a J and I have my responsibility/work/etc... but I'd also say that I'm more about having fun and living an interesting life (in my point of view at least) than pretty much anything else.
My fun?
Blowing shit up.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
the only thing that differentiates them is that J's have a sense, both internally and expressed, of control, no matter how subtle. anyone can be impulsive, freedom-seeking, etc....it's about how you do it. P's naturally flow.
esper, all of those are generic and not necessarily true.
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i'd say you're right on.
check this out it says almost the same thing:
http://socionist.blogspot.com/search.../irrationality
basically on the face of things it looks like rationals get more stuff done.
irrationals are more likely to be assessing what really needs to get done now that _________ has happened anyway. lol
i love being irrational, it's the beauty way to go.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I think Js tend to like to add structure or have a structure, whereas Ps tend to want things less structured and more spontaneous. I think this is where conflicts can arise to some extent... Js can get frustrated by Ps lack of structure or since they operate better with structure they resist efforts to make things more malleable and less structured (that would be too chaotic). Ps can get frustrated if they feel that someone else is trying to impose a particular strucuture upon them because this can feel imprisoning, or "rigid." I don't know if routines have anything to do with it. I tend to think Js can feel more comfortable with routines... but that may be a lot of nonsense.
I imagine it might have something to do with energy in a sense... perhaps Ps tend to adapt things so that they get around to them when they feel like it whereas Js tend to have a more structured approach to getting stuff done. Ps seem to adapt to changing "structures" around them, flowing with changes... Js tend to try to organize the changing "structures" around them into an unchanging structure of their choosing...
Maybe.
j's tend to put structures or plans in place to avoid problems, p's tend to be able to just skirt round them without the forward planning, I think.
It looks like j's make a path and steer in the current, p's are able to make the tide work with them.
this isn't the crux. the reason why J's appear structured is because they are idealists, in the sense of focusing on the intellect instead of the way things are. wanting reality to be in tune with your ideals typically produces a structured attitude. P's are entwined with nature as it is, which is why they seem spontaneous.Originally Posted by Loki
like I said, it's an idealistic vs. naturalistic attitude. anyone can have a need for control in any context. the rest of your post makes no sense.Originally Posted by esper
the first part is generic. anyone with a brain will want to avoid problems. anyone can be forward planning...you think INTp's arent? the second part is a perfect metaphor.Originally Posted by Cyclops
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Ha! That works well too. Smashing old printers also feels fantastic.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
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Don't tempt me!
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
I think all the others are true, but these aren't. There's no right way to do something, just...a way which can be better suited for a given aim-purpose-whatever.
The only difference that I see as clear between me and my P friends is changing decisions-plans-etc at the last minute (which can drive me mad). Work ethic isn't strongly type related (some ESTps and INTps can be extremely hard workers).
However, I'm afraid we can't speak about P-J if we do not relate ourselves to the different subtypes. As things stand, an ESTp-Ti would be more alike to a J type over a P type, whereas an ENFj-Ni would be very alike to the description of a P type.
Also, NJ type of J is different than SJ type of J which is different than NP, etc.
As far as J qualities go, I have generally observed that, if we place temperaments on a continuum, from most P to most J, we have
NP SP=NJ SJ
which means that many SPs can be on the short terms as structured as an NJ, because NJ are not particularly structured on the short terms (tricky).
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I wouldn't say that going with what one feels is natural is exclusive to P's. Everyone feels everything differently, so conflicts are always possible. yeah, a conflict between J's is intense lol.Originally Posted by esper
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there is no wording that will make that idea correctOriginally Posted by esper
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Mmm no I don't think so. It depends on what they're doing, I mean many times I do what I feel like too. It depends if there's something important, or not. If there's something important to do yeah, I tend to try to find the best method. Otherwise, no.
But see, I will give you an example of leisure of a J and P couple. J couple: Okay, tomorrow we can do this till about 6 pm, then we can go there till about 9 pm, then we can meet with X at about 11
Whereas I see the P couples as never deciding previously what to do. They may go out and look what's open and go.
This is a rough outline which is good only for statistical purposes - sometimes J couples will go somewhere without any plan, but it's not their natural mode of operation.
Btw I think that pursuing goals only when you want to is...human everybody generally does that
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
And then there are the J/P couples (like me and lots of others I know) where they're on vacation and the J will say "let's have a plan for the day" and the P rolls their eyes and says "can't we just explore and see what happens?" So the compromise is: they plan one or two things that they know they want to do. The rest of the time is go with the flow.
IEI-Fe 4w3
xxxj's like to hang out only on Saturdays whereas xxxp's can quickly decide to go out and have a drink any day of the week. I find j's behaviour irritating! They are robots! Who cares if it's Tuesday, let's go let's go let's go!
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
When my little sister (whom I think is ENTp) and I traveled to Australia & New Zealand, she didn't want to do any of the planning - but she *wanted* to have an itinerary. I mainly wanted to roam and get a feel for things, but I knew she'd be bored off her ass and eventually turn to abusing me for it. So I did a bunch of research on the internet, came up with way more than we could possibly do in a stay thrice as long, and told her to pick her favorites. Then, according to the location & expected amount of time we'd spend on each activity, I chose likely hostels to stay in.
When we actually got there, we'd pick what we wanted to do that day from off the list - we also tried to choose according to several things that were close to one another. There were several times when we found something along the way that hadn't come up in the internet research (naturally), and so we vetoed the plan in favor of the unknown. We were traveling in the off-season, so it was always easy to book a hostel with little or no advance notice (also, OZ & NZ have a huge backpacking industry and fairly cater to tourists, even in smaller towns), and in NZ we bought a bus pass that allowed us to hop a ride with as little as two hours' notice (we traveled to five diff cities that way!).
All in all, I feel like I had to plan more intensively than I would have preferred, but our trip went incredibly smoothly, and Sarah only got truly bitchy one time when I booked a hostel that turned out to be a further walk from the bus station than we initially thought. There were tons of things that we didn't get to do, but we knew it'd be that way anyway ... and we both enjoyed deviating from the plan when an opportunity presented itself.
Ironically, trying to make sure Sarah was pleased & occupied probably kept me a little more motivated to do more, too ...
SLIOriginally Posted by Charles Bukowski
that is a stupid generalizationOriginally Posted by 1981slater
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To Jessica129: I know, but in Spain you can do whatever you want as long as you don't fuck with others
To strrng: Yes, a stupid generalization but it works x % of the time
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.