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    I've noticed that the Gamma SF's I've known are typically really good at getting what they want. They are well aware of their likes and dislikes and desires, and they expect that things will go the way they want them to go, even to the extent of looking a bit like a "spoiled brat".

    Fortunately, Gamma NT's love that Gamma SF's are so intent on want they want, and they are typically delighted to oblige whenever they can (provided they're getting the Fi they want/need from the Gamma SF, of course).

    I've been thinking about this and have decided that knowing what they want is related to Fi and knowing how to get it is related to Se. Obviously, every healthy person has things (s)he wants as well as ways of getting some of those things, but I think there's something to be said for the relation between Se and making things happen. Consider Augusta's description of Se dominants:

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    Perceives information about what might be called objects' "kinetic energy" — for example, information about how organized/mobilized a person is, his physical energy and power, and his ability to make use of his willpower or position and exercise his will in opposition to others'. This perception implies the ability to tell what reserves of "kinetic energy" people have and how useful they can be in getting things done. It defines the individual's ability or inability to exercise his willpower and energy in opposition to the will and energy of other people.

    When this element is in the leading position, the individual possesses exceptional personal force/will. He is a born organizer of anything. He has the ability to mobilize people to achieve a goal and is able to make use of and manage animate and inanimate objects. Is able to work with things (objects) and reproduce almost any objects based on available samples. This is a reflection of his ability to organize material. These people are known for their striving to materialize their will, energy, and power, and for their desire to impose their will on others.
    I colored the words organizer and organize to note that I believe that "organizer" used in this context refers to the ability to direct different people and energies to a specific goal, and that "organize" refers to the ability to maximize objects' capacity for utilization as desired... it's got nothing to do with being neat and tidy.



    So anyways, have others noticed this trait in the Gamma SF's they've known?
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    I'm not sure about getting what they want all the time.
    But they seem to usually know what they want.
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    Not all the time, of course. They're better at it than most though. And they certainly tend to expect it more than most as well.
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    One of my SEE coworkers who I'm quite close with sometimes asks me to do things for her. Well, not so much nowadays because we're in a new office and quite far apart from eachother, but when we used to be in the same office she'd get me to do little things for her, like say if she'd just printed something on the office printer she'd sometimes ask me to fetch it for her. One thing I've noticed in the new office is that occasionally if I'm walking past her, she'll usually do something like put her hand on my upper arm or something like that, almost like grabbing my arm without the gripping motion, in order to get my attention, then asks me to do something. It might be a sort of "could you take this with you" sort of request or something of that nature. It's only little things like that, she wouldn't make me do her shopping for her for example . I don't think she does that with anyone else in the office, or at least not as far as I'm aware. But yeah, little things like that really. Obviously there's a limit to how much I'd do, depending on my energy levels and what it is she asks etc., but I usually oblige. I'm only like this for specific people though; if someone I didn't really like that much asked me to do things for them I'd be reluctant (assuming said person wasn't an authority figure or anything like obviously).
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    I've learned through observation and experience (in my wilder days) that most men like to be told what to do. Or at least they did when I was the one telling them to do it. Not that this has anything to do with this topic or anything. Your post just reminded me of that for some reason.

    I also learned that being obnoxious and bitchy often gets you what you want, too. (I was really not myself for a while there. That's what happens when one's dual seeking function isn't fulfilled! They act out.)
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    To get what you want with as little effort as possible, make someone else do it.

    I find that I like being told what to do, because I perceive follow these orders will improve my chances of success, so to speak. Well, that's the theory anyway. Though I suppose a sense of self-respect is a virtue that can be appreciated by others too...it also means I get to use less energy. If you do what others tell you, they might think you are after something.

    Also, if I pretend to be mentally disturbed while holding a knife, people seem to do what ever I ask of them.

    ...oh, and asking nicely...that's one I hadn't thought of.

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    I have witnessed some gamma SFs saying that "they always get what they want". To me, it only looked like complete foolishness. To really think that you can always get what you wants means either choosing to small of goals, or being delusional.
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    what's weird about this thread is before i opened it up and just read the name of the thread i was like, "oo sounds like me!" haha but yeah i definitely agree with this with me at least. i mean we're realistic and if we think that it's possible we can get something we want then we're gonna do it.

    @FDG- we're not delusional and it can be small goals too, but it more stems from the whole blocked with thing.

    it's weird cuz im sure i come off as a spoiled brat sometimes when i want something, but in all other cases i couldn't be more opposite. i'm actually pretty low-maintenance and i'm a really generous person... haha just throwing that out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    @FDG- we're not delusional and it can be small goals too, but it more stems from the whole blocked with thing.
    Yeah, okay, I don't want to say that every gamma SF is delusional, that's for sure! But in my opinion, that reasoning can only be applied to small things, because only those things are devoid of uncertainty.

    Example: I can too know that I want to climb a given mountain, go there, and climb it the same day I have decided I wanted to. But if I wanted to be a top soccer player, I could not get there by any means since I just don't have the talent.

    I've also had a bad experience with an ISFj that had that kind of mindset and the thing she wanted was me. I didn't like her at all so she obviously could not get me, and that drove her mad?? It's just stupid imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I have witnessed some gamma SFs saying that "they always get what they want".
    I was in the car once with an ESFp girl we know and thats exactly what she said. My ENTj friend said "well you wanted me but you never got me....". Owned.

    She is only of average charisma and attractivenss though. I could imagine some attractive ESFp's actually getting what they want most of the time.
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    Once I was talking to a SLE work colleague about things in general; at one point he said "before I got married, I got to have every woman that I wanted to have".

    I said, "I think it's more likely that, when you could not have a woman, you then decided that you hadn't really wanted her in the first place".
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I have witnessed some gamma SFs saying that "they always get what they want". To me, it only looked like complete foolishness. To really think that you can always get what you wants means either choosing to small of goals, or being delusional.
    Amen!
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