Having received email notifications for socionics posts, I have proof that you edited this post perhaps out of mistake but also perhaps out of dishonesty since you were originally confident in typing me sp/so prior to the edit (you've typed me so/sx on other threads). EDIT: the reason why this matters is because if his argument works for sp/so and for so/sx while still making judgements about instinctual stackings, then the validity of the argument should be brought into question. Having said that, I can't be certain that it wasn't a typo or something, so I'll let people decide for themselves. Here is the email:
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Ichazo referred to type 3 as ego-go for its focus on becoming as efficient as one can be in order to maximize activity/doing....a human doing. R & H transported this to their 3w4, the professional and Stackemup Typology found it mainly applied to SP3w4s. Fardraft already reaffirms my typing of him as a sp/so 3w4. In Stackemup Typology, the below is consistent with a calculated-self-confident gestalt....Far Draft is a clearly an efficient, goal-oriented, go-getter sp3w4 who measures success by external-driven markers like promotions and rewards:
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I then began systematizing other important things like drinking water, eating healthy, and shit like that. While I'm not nearly as active as some Se ego type, I've begun streamlining my life and making small things more efficient. The mentality has led me to want to change other aspects of my life that are not as efficient as they can be. For example, if I'm studying for an hour something that could have been understood in 30 mins, I force myself to figure out ways to not get as distracted or something.
The key for me was to start very small and then continuously do that small thing until it became commonplace/habitual. Then, add something else and continue to do that regularly until it becomes commonplace. And so on and so forth. When your life becomes streamlined you begin to dislike all the wasted time and inefficiencies so you remove those. The most important thing is to not do too many things at the same time or add in another routine prior to one settling. Otherwise, you'll feel more inclined to break one routine since you've "done enough by following through on the others today".
As far as I know (I'm in uni too, so take this with a grain of salt), surviving in the real world is about grinding out tasks that you may or may not want to do for some reward, usually financial compensation. That means not screwing around and wasting time. It takes common sense (which ILIs are usually good at) since you have to not be stupid with who you deal with or which tasks you decide to take up (although you often have no choice here). *With time and luck, promotions come and a greater reward comes with perhaps greater effort put in.*
I too would like to do something I love (that also makes a lot of money). However, the world often doesn't work like that and to end up doing something that you love often means do a lot of things first. *It's too often I see people throw away their lives because they wanted to "do what they love"* and they end up hating what they love because they can't survive off it. Don't be stupid with this stuff. Be pragmatic about it and realize what's needed to be done for basic comfort first.
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That being said, you're projecting too much of limited evidence - something I've seen many do which leads to tremendously unsubstantiated conclusions. First of all, in the post, I'm describing a change I made to my lifestyle in order to stop being so lazy rather than how I'm so efficient or something. In fact, I still am very lazy and inactive, which is partially why a 4D Se typing is ridiculous; however, I have begun systematizing aspects of my life that are important but aspects that I was previously neglecting. Second, what part of this post indicates that I am "an efficient, goal-oriented, outer-directed so/sx 3w4 who measures happiness and success by externally driven, culturally validated markers like promotions and reward"? While I am goal-oriented, that's not nearly enough evidence in favour of a core 3 typing since goal-orientation is the only way to improve. Again, I'm not nearly as efficient as other 3s or people around me - I'm simply trying to reduce the amount of work I have to do since I'm lazy. Never did I say I am outwardly directed. I am most likely an introverted type given that my default position is to be "in my head". I also never said that I measure happiness by external rewards - instead, I described the process of how people advance in society. They grind and they are efficient. With that, time, and luck, they climb the economic ladder. And, the quote where I describe the "do what you love stuff" is just pragmatic advice. It is a fact that people are miserable because they made bad decisions with regards to their finances. I am doing nothing more than stating that fact and encouraging the op to not make such a mistake. Third, I am not very self-confident. Did you even watch my video? One of my biggest weaknesses is that I lack confidence in my own abilities despite evidence showing that my abilities are pretty good. To be a self-confident gestalt would be way above my pay-grade. You are correct that I am calculated, though. But usually so are 5s and 6s and 1s and probably other types but mostly those 4. The reason I give myself a 3 fix is because, as a heart fix, the core fear is more relatable than the others (fear of being worthless > fear of being ordinary > fear of being unloved). However, as I've said before, as a core type, it doesn't make sense no matter how you spin it. You're wrong about this, and if you want to be correct or at least credible, then you must face facts.
Here's the thing: even if all your analysis were sound (which it is not), you'd still be greatly removing enneagram from its usable domain. Enneagram is a theory about the core fears and motivations about a person. High level behaviour or traits can help remove possibilities for core type (usually) but can never be used to justify a specific type. Behaviours can help with describing the instinctual stackings, though, yet you've provided no direct evidence that I actually care about societally defined social standards, groups, or practices enough to be an So lead. I care about success, yes. Pretty much everyone does to an extent. Money to me is not a means of flaunting or engaging in social competitions. I do not care about that at all. I've always been the loner kid who doesn't care about popularity or those kinds of things, so an So first typing makes no sense. I do not care about social groups, cliques, clubs, or anything of that sort. I care about my own independence first and foremost above any group that I am a part of. I don't know what my relation to money is - I think it could just be a childhood dream that I've decided to live out. Perhaps I'll realize that the pursuit of money beyond basic comfort is pointless. Who knows. Not you is for certain.
EDIT: You have yet to even attempt to justify your ESE-Fe typing. I'm waiting.



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