Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
Let's take a look at Glam's type. Glam is an easy one. She’s a clear competency type. That narrows things down really quick to 1, 3 and 5. Fours are in the reactive triad. Almost every post Glam makes has a competency feel to it, including her real time shouts in the chat box. She might be reactive to the extent any person can be said to be reactive but it doesn’t rise to the level of a reactive triader.

Glam is not an assertive type. Cross off 3. With introverted 3w4s, you’re dealing with the withdrawn assertive type, so this is not as clear cut when distinguishing between assertive, compliant and withdrawn triad. Rather, look for the way those triads bubble up into the competency triad. Assertive triad corresponds to less empathy for others since one’s own desires/wants/needs/interests predominates. That gives competency in threes a bend towards thinking in a way that’s conceptually crude/hollow. Suedehead, as a competency triader, can be very cold and realistic in his assessments (obviously not a positive reframer), but where his competency loses an edge is in his intensely shallow outlooks which has him occasionally reducing women to crotch sniffing dogs. Even the slightest hint of rejection from a desirable female, for him, is the most crushing thing in the world. That speaks to the level of glibness and vanity in type 3 but also one of their inherent talents in marketing. sp3w4s usually excel at marketing which requires a certain ability to think of people in a way that opens the door for amoral advertising. Being able to see people in terms of ratings and statistics. This is where many sp/so 3w4 males are drawn to PUA. Conceptual hollowness is the thing to look for….it’s the fusion between competency triad and assertive triad. Even in INFp 3w4s, the extent of their cognition is stifled by that.

That leaves 1 and 5. Let’s look at the centers of intelligence. That’s always the best one to go by when distinguishing the way competency triad shows up in these two types. Glam doesn't show any of the markers for being a gut type. The easiest way to parse out this is to look at it from this angle....Is she truly detached in her thinking and open to new information or is she more gut unmovable in the head center? The Gut center simplifies. It zaps whole chunks of reality square out of existence to make way for the Gut. With type 9 being out of touch with the gut center this isn’t so much an issue for them. Ayn rand would be a fiveish 1, in spite of her intellectual bent rand has a gnawing discomfort with ambiguity. She thinks in black and whites. With fiveish 1s (like Rand), they are so literal and out of touch with the physical/kinesthetic realm that they can seem horrendously incompetent at grasping other people’s center whereas 5w4s are more comfortable in the gray areas, in the figurative and symbolic. Rand's characters are more like stick figures than real people. Because the unbending spine of fiveish 1s is so rigidly wound into a logical straitjacket, the result can be some funky conclusions.
+1 for using Rand as a contrast to myself, because eff that bitch


but yeah, i appreciate you posting the justification for your 5w4 typing of me. i feel i can't give you such a thorough response, so i'll just share a few thoughts. i've long assumed that i'm Image triad, for various stereotypical reasons. i worry a lot about my appearance and public image, about what others think of me, and probably put more time into maintaining/creating/controlling my image than the "average" person, yada yada. i'll admit that when i'm in a healthier/more productive state of mind, i identify with e4 and Image triad descriptions far less than i used to - something sounds seriously pathetic and needy in these descriptions that often fails to resonate. it seems that Image triad types are described as if they have no real sense of self beyond their created image - and i definitely do not identify with that. but then i wonder about enneagram descriptions in general - they're so focused on defining people through very particular neuroses that i wonder how much a healthy, self-aware adult can truly identify with any of the descriptions? articles like this about the "health levels" for each type seem a little more realistic: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/312

one of the main things that has put me off from typing as e5/w5 is the emotional detachment. i feel that i'm too "emotionally involved" and attuned (to both myself and others) to be an e5 - at least from my understanding of this type, which admittedly may be shallow. i really don't know much about Competency triad however, and just from some cursory reading it doesn't sound completely unlike me. not sure about Reactive triad at this point. btw if i seem less emotionally volatile than other Fours, i've attributed that to my sp/so stacking.

thanks for the food for thought. to put this post in context, my current self-typing is IEI-Fe 4w3 sp/so, some kind of 469 tritype.