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    Does anyone here have better relations outside their quadra than in it?

    I am not into some discussion that I am type X because of some irregularity. It is just that I find it somewhat irritating that every basic part of socionics works except for my own personal experience. It has led me to believe that relations with people have more to do with personal values than anything else. It just happens that people generally get many of those deep rooted values from their type. However, I think I broke the link between my personal values and my inherent values a long time ago. This might explain why I don’t get along with people I should and visa-versa according to socionics theory.

    I have seen examples of my case in many other people, albeit in much smaller degrees. What do you guys think? I am looking for different points of view, and not the “you are type X” explanations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean
    It has led me to believe that relations with people have more to do with personal values than anything else. It just happens that people generally get many of those deep rooted values from their type.
    agreed. I have found that intertype relations generally corresponds with who I get along with, but there are always people who have unique characteristics not type-related that cause me to be attracted to them. I personally don't focus too much on that aspect of socionics.

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    probably anybody that doesn't consider the effects of intertype relations to be of primary importance is doing something very very wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    probably anybody that doesn't consider the effects of intertype relations to be of primary importance is doing something very very wrong.
    Yes, like not typing correctly, and not understanding what functions are, and why the base function necessarily leads to a particular dual-seeking function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Yes, like not typing correctly, and not understanding what functions are, and why the base function necessarily leads to a particular dual-seeking function.
    indeed
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Yes, like not typing correctly, and not understanding what functions are, and why the base function necessarily leads to a particular dual-seeking function.
    I basically agree with you, but I noticed that when being around my parents (LIE+ESI) I tend to resent typical (irrational) beta behaviour. Or otherwise when I'm watching a beta movie or something and they enter the room, I pick up how weird they find it or even disgusting sometimes, that I simply cannot enjoy it anymore or feel ashamed for enjoying it and such, and I want to switch it off. They take beta spirit way too seriously in my opinion. So I can definitely understand that your own beliefs and the way you see yourself, affects how you see certain relationships. For me, it wasn't until I said my parents could go to hell so to speak, that I started to have good beta (and alpha) relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    probably anybody that doesn't consider the effects of intertype relations to be of primary importance is doing something very very wrong.
    I guess, but you can't take it too seriously, and you definitely shouldn't be preconceiving whether or not you can get along with someone or you will end up limiting yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Yes, like not typing correctly, and not understanding what functions are, and why the base function necessarily leads to a particular dual-seeking function.
    yeah, like how you think you're ENTj. Is it a stretch for me to ask you why you think you are some "guru" of socionics, atleast on this forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    Does anyone here have better relations outside their quadra than in it?

    I am not into some discussion that I am type X because of some irregularity. It is just that I find it somewhat irritating that every basic part of socionics works except for my own personal experience. It has led me to believe that relations with people have more to do with personal values than anything else. It just happens that people generally get many of those deep rooted values from their type. However, I think I broke the link between my personal values and my inherent values a long time ago. This might explain why I don’t get along with people I should and visa-versa according to socionics theory.

    I have seen examples of my case in many other people, albeit in much smaller degrees. What do you guys think? I am looking for different points of view, and not the “you are type X” explanations.
    This could be a fluke due to other similarities or differences you've had with the people you've known. Socionics is primarily an intertype relation theory though. It's all about the axes. If you don't need and appreciate Si + Fe over any other combination, you are not ILE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    This could be a fluke due to other similarities or differences you've had with the people you've known. Socionics is primarily an intertype relation theory though. It's all about the axes. If you don't need and appreciate Si + Fe over any other combination, you are not ILE.
    Is that it, or is it possible to value a function, and that value determination affect interpersonal relations, but not be strong it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    Is that it, or is it possible to value a function, and that value determination affect interpersonal relations, but not be strong it?
    That's the Super-Id.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    That's the Super-Id.
    Values can either be inherent, or developed. So if I value a function from other people, but I am not strong in that function, and if it is not in my super id, does that not mean that I would get along better with that person that has the said function in their ego block?


    I have a feeling that this argument is going to be stupid on my part though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    Values can either be inherent, or developed. So if I value a function from other people, but I am not strong in that function, and if it is not in my super id, does that not mean that I would get along better with that person that has the said function in their ego block?


    I have a feeling that this argument is going to be stupid on my part though.

    Yeah, it is, because according to Socionics, if you value a function, and are not strong in it, it's in your Super Id. No way around that, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    So if I value a function from other people, but I am not strong in that function, and if it is not in my super id
    Not possible (at least according to model A).
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    I would think though that generally speaking, the only time you would get along better with people who you're not as functionally compatible with than ones you are is if they happen to be more compatible with you in other ways and/or you haven't been all that close to them for all that long. I think it's possible to get along well with people of any intertype relation, especially at first or from a distance.

    If I were you I'd ask myself what it is about those people that clicks with me, why I get along well with them.
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