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Thread: Margaret Thatcher

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupman View Post
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    she''s LSE as officially typed by Gulenko, LIE's are out of touch with reality instead, again socionics isnot MBTI.
    gulenko is wrong. She's LIE
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupman View Post
    @Narc


    she''s LSE as officially typed by Gulenko, LIE's are out of touch with reality instead, again socionics isnot MBTI.
    Eh, I think LIEs are pretty switched on. Ni base and Ni creative are worlds apart even if LIEs and ILIs look similar on the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narc View Post
    Eh, I think LIEs are pretty switched on. Ni base and Ni creative are worlds apart even if LIEs and ILIs look similar on the surface.
    Going with the energomodelm, LIE are actually Ne creative, the only Ni creatives are LII and EII, if you read Gulenko's theory and even test it out with real people its becomes more evident.

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    edits: sorry felt a bit defensive
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    gulenko is wrong. She's LIE
    Why can she be LIE when LIE are TeNe, with a rather casual detachment from the everyday world. Thatcher was all power hungry and a control freak, LSE are Se creative. LIE is someone like Issac Newton, who was very abstract and easily displays the Ne creative that is characteristic of LIE. I understand that if you are possibly using the wikisocion version, then the strict adherence to the Quadra values logically ends up meaning that you'd conclude someone like Thatcher to be LIE since the quadra values point to gamma being power hungry and what not.

    With the energomodel LIE are people who are
    Te base
    Ne creative
    Fe Role
    Se launcher
    Ni Demonstrative
    Fi Manipulative
    Si Break
    Ti Parent

    This model of socionics breaks the sacred quadra values but it more accurate than the version on wikisocion.

    http://translate.googleusercontent.c...iIg1T2kLGKwxfg

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=LIE
    Last edited by Soupman; 02-06-2014 at 07:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupman View Post
    edits: sorry felt a bit defensive


    Why can she be LIE when LIE are TeNe, with a rather casual detachment from the everyday world. Thatcher was all power hungry and a control freak, LSE are Se creative. LIE is someone like Issac Newton, who was very abstract and easily displays the Ne creative that is characteristic of LIE. I understand that if you are possibly using the wikisocion version, then the strict adherence to the Quadra values logically ends up meaning that you'd conclude someone like Thatcher to be LIE since the quadra values point to gamma being power hungry and what not.

    With the energomodel LIE are people who are
    Te base
    Ne creative
    Fe Role
    Se launcher
    Ni Demonstrative
    Fi Manipulative
    Si Break
    Ti Parent

    This model of socionics breaks the sacred quadra values but it more accurate than the version on wikisocion.

    http://translate.googleusercontent.c...iIg1T2kLGKwxfg

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=LIE
    The power hungry and control freak thing comes with every Te base, as specifically stated by Jung; when they tyranny comes out, it's hard for the world to see anything but
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    probably one of the most difficult people that we've attempted to type.

    I agree that:
    she is unlikely to be an introvert (LSI is perhaps the only moderate possibility), unlikely to be an ethical type

    also: it is difficult to see how she valued , especially in comparison to
    it's also difficult to see how she valued - a HA would be more likely
    I can't perceive how she would have tolerated well an IEI (not at all well I suspect)...or a SEI to a lesser extent
    @Expat considered Denis Thatcher a ESI I think...it is easier to see how she would accept a IJ temperament type or even a rational type.
    I think perhaps also a SLE type would be somewhat less unrelenting or at least a little more reactive and less methodological?

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    LSI

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitterand
    She has the eyes of Stalin and the voice of Marilyn Monroe.

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    Obvious LSI. My grandmother was one and she was just the same.
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    ESI-Se. She was very popular which ESI-Se tend to be and ESI-Se are the most logical ethical type. ESI's Fi can often be a fondness for certain systems and policies.

    LIE is a bad typing for Thatcher because they're rarely elected leaders.

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    A better example of LSI in G.s gallery than say, A. Delon. Because type seems more up and front in her case.





    Clearly a structured person that gives much importance to discipline and responsibility and she's always bringing it to light in this interview as the most important part of her childhood. Conversely, an IEI if raised under a strict parent but with an at least acceptable itr, would focus on the books they read or what a good person they were, for example, as the hardening and strengthening of character through truths of edifying nature is not something they would pay much attention to, but it's part of the LSI style of evangelization. In fact, self-possession, her overall presence and style and focus on order and responsibility reminds me of my LSI grandmother.



    Sicuramente cercherai il significato di questo.

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    Yeah I agree with LSI at the moment.

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