.Originally Posted by Crispy
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Misa proposing to be Light's gf:
HAHA VICTIM
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
SPOILER ALERT; can't remember how to do that openable window thingy
The boy shows affection
Complements her eyes
And the girl is devoted
600th post! I'm such a romantic!
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Poli IS L
I don't remember every character in detail but anyway TYPINGS ARE FUN, NOW WITH 20% MORE ENNEAGRAM.
Yagami Light: Ti-INTj (1w2)
Ryuk: Ne-ENTp (7w6)
L: Ne-INTj (9w1)
Amane Misa: Si-ESFj (2w3)
Rem: IxFx
The Kira Investigation Team is almost entirely Delta.
Matsuda: Fi-ENFp
Soichiro Yagami: Te-ESTj
Shuichi Aizawa: Si-ESTj
Kanzo Mogi: Te-ISTp
Near: Ti-INTj
Mello: Pe-Exxp
LoL and awwI don't remember every character in detail but anyway TYPINGS ARE FUN, NOW WITH 20% MORE ENNEAGRAM.
Your typings sound plausible though I don't remember all the names of the characters. Besides that Misa and Light don't look too much dualz but i guess there's so much more on the background such as Light's god of justice complex.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
I just got into this show and I'm loving it so far. I generally agree with Radio's typings aside from a few differences and I added instinctual stackings.
Light Yagami: Ti-LII 1w2 sp/sx
Ryuk: Ne-ILE 7w6 sx/sp
L: Ni-ILI 5w4 sp/sx
Misa Amane: Fe-ESE 2w3 sx/so
Rem: Se-ESI 4w3 so/sx
Matsuda: Fi-ENFp 2w3 so/sx
Soichiro Yagami: 1w9 Te-LSE sp/so
Shuichi Aizawa: 8w9 Si-LSE sx/sp
Kanzo Mogi: 9w8 Si-SLI sp/so
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“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Light LIE
L LII
N ILI
Looking back, Light as LIE makes sense, but I'd switch L and N's types.
Light - Te-LIE
L - Ni-ILI
N - Ne-LII
Ryuk - Ne-ILE
Misa - Si-ESE
Mello - Fi-SEE
Rem - Fe-SEI
Mikami - Ti-LSI
Takada - Fi-ESI
Matsuda - Ne-IEE
Soichiro - Te-LSE
Aiwaza - Si-LSE
Mogi - Si-SLI
There's even a test that typed all the characters and you figure out which character/personality type you are.
http://www.helloquizzy.com/quizzy/re...447&resultid=5
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
It's been a long time since i watched the show, so you could be right. The thing most memorable about N and L is that N could go off of limited information, whereas L needed to be 100% sure before doing anything. And i feel as though that is why N caught Light, because he went with his gut. Whereas L could be 99% sure and still not pull the trigger.
Coming to think about it, L had a totally unusual way of maintaining his own health. He'd eat snacks all night, stay up weird hours, and neglect himself in that regard. That probably fits in pretty well with an Si-Role function. So I agree with you. L-ILI N - LII
Hey, my stacking, plus socionics subtype. Was wondering if there was an example out there; I guess it's fictional, but that's better than nothing.
I must have forgotten about this show, had a thought, remembered, and wondered. I've read some think L might be asperger. But this character is a lot like me, uncanny in the similarity; very high-functioning perhaps. Maybe it doesn't matter much then. But I know aspergers does have a higher incidence of gender dysphoria, though it's questionable in MTF transsexuals as they do not have problems with understanding other people's emotions, but in how to be a natural self around others that judge them as men, but nevermind.
But some people type L IEI or INFJ in MBTI I guess because of the high amount of intuition. I don't think the Ni subtype is as prickly, fault-finding, or hostile as the Te subtype seems to often be (on this board anyway), making it harder for an Ni leading Ni subtype to decide between IEI or ILI, I suppose.
But anyway, I agree fully with you Raver.
Revised:
Light: LIE
L: LII
Misa: Fi-SEE
Ryuk: Ne-ILE
Rem: ESI
Matsuda: IEE
Soichiro: LSE
Aizawa: LSE
Higochi: SLE
Namikawa: Te-ILI or Ti-LII
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How haven't I seen this thread before...?
Light
ILI-Te, So/Sp 1w2 (153).
L
LII, Sp/Sx 9w1 (953).
Misa
SEE-Fi, Sx/Sp 3w4 (369).
Ryuk
IEE-Ne, Sp/Sx 7w8 (784).
Soichiro
LSE-Si, So/Sp 6w5 (638).
Matsuda
SEI-Fe, So/Sx 9w1 (963).
Rem
ESI-Fi, Sx/Sp 9w8 (964).
Watari
SLI-Te, So/Sp 6w5 (693).
Naomi
ESI, Sp/Sx 6w5 (649).
Near
LII-Ti, So/Sp 5w6 (593).
Somehow I find Mello's type to be a tough cookie. It's difficult to really pinpoint it. He seems to have some contradictory traits; those you wouldn't find in real life. I keep switching back and forth between SEE and IEE-Fi for him, and his Enneagram is difficult, too... I'm guessing 3w4 So/Sp (368) as of now...
Light LIE 1w2 so/sp
L LII 5w4 sx/sp
Near ILI (LII?) 5w6 sp/so
Mello ILE 3w4 sx/sp
Ryuk ? 7w8 sp/sx
Misa SEE-Fi sx/so
Mikami Te-ego 1w2 sp/sx
Matsuda IEE-Fi so/sx
Soichiro Yagami LSE 6w5 sp/so
Naomi Misora ESI 6w5 sp/sx
contra-flow: Light, Ryuk, Misa, Mikami
vs
syn-flow: L, Near, Mello, Soichiro Yagami, Matsuda, etc..
Light: ILI-Te (or LIE-Ni) 153 sounds right
L: LII
Misa: SEE-Fi 3w4 sx/so, 379
Ryuk: Don't know if I buy IEE (seems transparently Fi PoLR) but certainly Ep and 7w8, 748 sp/sx sounds right
Matsuda: IEE 7w6 (or 6w7) so/sx
Mello: Se/Ni Ep 3w4
Near: LII (or ILI) 5
Rem: ESI
Naomi: ESI
Yagami: LSE
Watari: SLI-Te
Misa's my fav.
･ﾟ*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:･ﾟ
I think Light is too proficient with Fe to be an Fe vulnerable type. I'd say he's more likely to be LIE, while L and Near are examples of 1D Fe types.
Still riding that ILI wave for L pretty hard. I think Misa Misa would have drove him nuts if he was an LII. He adored her.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Misa was always pissed off by him, he just took it peacefully and with a calm attitude because he is Type 9. He also overlooked her attitude because he thought she's not that bright anyway and hot. Guys are usually more lenient with hot women.
Misa was pissed off at his tactic to not leave them alone, but she said countless times that she really liked him, and likewise L muttered under his breath that he might fall for her after a particular obnoxious spat on her part.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Which kind? Only eating snack food? Sitting in terribly uncomfortable positions?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Kira LIE
L ILI
Misa SEE
I'd offer:
Light LIE: I would agree with ILI-Te, but I can not see an ILI with such an odd strategic goal as being god of a new world of kind hearted people. Sounds Ni creative actually. Seemed like a strategic type overall. Contrast this with L's tactics.
L ILI: Obviously a tactical type, creative Te methods (using criminals for messages, just deciding to test things in blatant violation of laws and making spontaneous unexpected moves (like meeting Light at University)). Seems like Si is in superego as there is a clear disregard for health in the frequent snacking and odd seating positions. No attention paid to appearance (could go LII or ILI here depending). Also noticed a lot of Ne ignoring. L knew bad things were going to happen. He arguably knew he was going to die (hear the bells?) and did nothing to stop it. Sounds a lot like Reinin's Ne ignoring description: Sometimes will ignore adverse succession of events, especially if it only concerns them personally.
I also think he enjoyed the process (process type) of the fight with Light at times more than the result of actually catching him. Light seems the opposite, the result is obviously the most important thing.
N LII: I always thought N better fit LII. Everything is a puzzle to be solved. Seems very Ti. Reminds me of the Ti base description from Golihov: His thinking is like a foundament, it can be leaned on in any situation…. Contrast this with L who’s thinking was a stream of consciousness in constant flux. L was only firm with regard to making actual moves in real time (Te creative under Ni direction). N was unflappable in his thinking and very confident in his conclusions about things. I suppose ILI Te is arguable here but it just doesn’t seem Ni base, too much precision in everything. Seemed like a static type (stable analytical thinking), everything had a place in his mind that was very solid.
I liked L a lot, but Lite was interesting in his own way.
I had Misa pegged as ESE. She seemed hyperactive on the Fe and I didn't see any Se. (She reminded me of an ESE friend I had.)
I could see Rem as LSE. She seemed the caregiver type.
SLE-Ti for Ryuk works too.
It works for L to be LII, Misa ESE, and Lite LIE.
(wow, this is an old thread)
I think this blog makes good arguments for certain types. The summary is (there are detailed arguments for the first 5):
Light - LIE
L - LII
Near - ILI
Mello - SLE
Ryuk - ILE
Misa - SEE
Soichiro Yagami - LSE
Rem - EII
Mikami - SLI
Matsuda - SEE.
I agree with your typing.
Especially Ryuk, he is an obvious SLE.
L: LII or ILE
Misa: SEE Fi
Kira: Beta ST (the end justifies the means)
Rem: Woah if she really is LSE then her relation with Misa makes perfect sense (benefactor/beneficiary) though my first guess was ESI, i could see SLI as well... She is a hard one...
Mello: SEE Se
Kira's father: LSE
Matsuda: I really want to be sure of his type... Between IEE and SEI...
I've met someone like Ryuk in real life and gave them the tests and my friend, you've nailed it perfectly!
Death Note (Anime)
I'm not satisfied with the lack of consensus on the other threads about this topic. We will narrow this down further.
My thoughts. I am open to being wrong.
Light - Se valuing for sure. Ethical since his goals were humanitarian in nature even without the death note. They weren’t about enforcing law and order so much as they were about ridding humanity of suffering. He says that “the world is rotten". He demonstrates strong Ni with his foreseeing the likely outcome of his actions and Ne with his subsequent contingency planning in case it went wrong. I think EIE over IEI because his god-complex seems Se hidden agenda becoming escalated. I don't see Se ego because that would require weak Ni if Se valuing, which does not fit. I also think that his aggregated confidence and aggression prevents him from being as cautious as he was at the beginning of the series; in a way, his successful results strengthen his Se, which limits his engagement with Ni and Ne, leading him to be caught. It was very easy for him to succeed in the end given his position. EIE.
L – Strong Ti and Ne for sure. His thought process is similar to that of a theoretical scientist – purely analytical, considering all theoretical possibilities, trying to determine a logically consistent model based on the evidence provided. I see Fe valuing over Fi valuing, given his willingness to engage in unethical methods of detective work more often. Moreover, he is oddly attracted to Misa and Light, both whom I type as Fe base. He also has the desire to be loved I see in Fe type. Possible Si role with his superstitions that sitting in odd positions will increase his cognitive abilities, but Si seems to be valued, as evidenced by his eating habits. Overall, alpha seems much more likely than gamma, and his inability to act without full certainty that Light is Kira seems more indicative of Ti ego than Te ego – he wants an irrefutable, perfect system even when the evidence before him suffices. In fact, this could be Te ignoring. But I can see Fe HA. LII > ILE.
Ryuk – Si valuing. Abstaining from discomfort more prevalent than seeking comfort so delta > alpha. Indifferent to the actions of humans – passive observer. No ethics to speak of. Irrational. SLI.
Misa – Fun loving and care free. Constantly complains of boredom – perhaps indicative of Si valuing. Alpha naïveté - simply wants to be loved by Light, sometimes being oblivious to the scale of the situation. But simultaneously the one who has a clearer picture of what’s important, especially when the Light-L rivalry becomes the focus of the show. Reminds me of Shiina Mayuri (SEI) from Steins;Gate in this regard, though the focus on this aspect of Misa’s character is diminished due to the darker themes of the anime. Impulsive and often lacking in foresight; strong source of conflict between her and Light because of this. ESE.
Soichiro - Dutiful, diligent, conscientious. Strong Fi moral code and delta values overall. However, not ethical given that he berates himself for acting emotionally in a number of circumstances. Definitely rational. Sides with L because he understands Ls competence and experience. Not much insightful dialogue, however, so this is the best I can do. LSE.
Near – Weak Se. Unreactive. Fi valuing seeing his moral code and desire to do things the “right” way. He said something along the lines of “that’s not how we do things” when one of the SPK agents suggests an unethical tactic. While there are theories that he cheated at the end by using the death note, the evidence in favour of those theories is minimal when just considering the anime, so we can take him on his word by Occam’s razor. His childishness could be a sign of alpha, but it seems to be more related to never having developed skills of independence in childhood. His strong Ti seems more as a glue to relate his guesses than it does to actually determine truth like it does for L. He is far more willing to make guesses and test those guesses spontaneously, waiting until one fits than he is piecing the evidence together in a logically consistent manner. His solving of puzzles seems more Ni Te rather than Ti in this regard. Similar to my problem-solving process. Also, less Ne demonstrated than L, though could be indicative of Ti subtype. I can see Near and Mello being duals given that the series portrays them as two halves of a whole; not every dual relationship needs to be strong, especially when there is competition. ILI > LII.
Mello - Dominated by inferiority complex. Me against the world mentality – reminiscent of gamma. Se ego due to reactivity (not type 6 style of reactivity) and focus on immediate tangible action. Very emotional and impulsive. Ep temperament fits better than Ij. SEE.
Mikami - Subservient to Light. Very rational. Ij temperament for sure. Se creative as well, using rules and order as tools to subjugate. Unlike Light, his goals are to enforce order rather than to Similar to Suzaku Kururugi from Code Geass but less hypocritical and freethinking. Fe valuing – serve justice for the sake of others’ happiness. Different from ESI who tends to stick by their principles for the purpose of self-fulfillment. Compare Kallen Kozuki (ESI) to Mikami, who I type as LSI. Fi tends to be more selfish yet more genuine. LSI.
Most other characters are not given enough screen time to determine type, except perhaps for Aizawa, though I cannot remember enough about him.
Thoughts?
----- FarDraft, 2020
I'm going to type them based on Gulenko's Forms of Cognition:
Light - LSI
L - ILI
Ryuk - ILE?
Misa - ESE
Soichiro - LSE
Near - LII? Don't remember much. Could be ILI.
Mello - SEE
Mikami -LSI
Yeah, now that I think about it, ESE for Misa and LSI for Light works pretty well because they seem like semi-duals. They take care of each others' needs pretty well, other than the fact that they have somewhat different psychological agendas. Ti meets Fe, but Se/Ni valuing vs. Ne/Si valuing.
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Light LIE
L ILI
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Light LIE
L LII
Near ILI
Mello SLE
Misa SEE
Mikami LSI (cool how everyone agrees on this one so far)
Soichiro LSE (and this one)
Ryuk ILE
Fem Shinigami: EII
Afro guy SLI
Matsuda IEE
Yeah, I definitely understand the childlike argument. If I saw that fucker walking down the street, I'd like he's childlike because he doesn't seem to know how to take care of himself or present a "mature" image.
But I'm thinking in terms of what his actual thought process is like. Doesn't he seem to take 2, maybe three premises, and analyze them to see which one holds the most water, conclusively? Sounds like DA cognition.
Also, what do you think about the possibility of Light being LIE? I thought he was Causal-Deterministic, since he tends to go through the practical implications of every step he takes. But now that I think about it, I wonder if this is VS cognition going through all his potential options and mentally testing them.
Haha yes. Especially when he said that he hates losing!Yeah, I definitely understand the childlike argument. If I saw that fucker walking down the street, I'd like he's childlike because he doesn't seem to know how to take care of himself or present a "mature" image.
Maybe you remember my attempt at an ILE-ILI conflict where I tried to to explain the conflict in terms of cognition. However I failed at that so I won't even try to have an opinion on DA cognition this timeBut I'm thinking in terms of what his actual thought process is like. Doesn't he seem to take 2, maybe three premises, and analyze them to see which one holds the most water, conclusively? Sounds like DA cognition.
I wrote a blog entry about the possibility of Light being LIE [1] but I don't expect anyone to read it. Not even I want to read it - it's too long. (Same goes for LSIs [2] and LIEs [3] in fiction.)Also, what do you think about the possibility of Light being LIE? I thought he was Causal-Deterministic, since he tends to go through the practical implications of every step he takes. But now that I think about it, I wonder if this is VS cognition going through all his potential options and mentally testing them.
My main points where:
1. Light's program function is typical for LSIs. He is precise in his tests and executing [4]. If you want to take Gulenko's cognition style into account; his reasoning is deterministic ("everything went according to plan) and his biggest weakness is unforeseen events (Ne-Polr)
2. His goal of establishing social order ("I'll be the god of the new world") is classic Beta rational quadra (according to Start.)
3. He's a detective - detectives are Ti D: (I declare it lol)
IMO LIEs [5] don't give a shit about establishing rational social structures. Actually not even their cognitive style (chaos! rapid thinking when the right time arrives) would permit that
There are of course cases where LIEs are involved in social causes - for example Magneto who fights for his mutant "brothers and sisters" but he never attempts to pass judgment according to rational principles (rules). His way of thinking is more like "There are mutants- my people- and everyone else" - similar to ESIs who also make a clear cut between "my people" and "my people". In short LIEs are motivated my Fi. Light on the other hand uses Ti (fairness, rules, order, rational judgment, laws etc. Betas tend to be more egalitarian)
There are LIEs who make plans that drive the plot (Ocean's Eleven, Miss Sloane) but they are reckless, almost fantastical and not solid. LIE's (and EIE's) plans always have room to breathe (4D Ne). They are flexible - unlike Light's plans.
[1] http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...people-are-LIE
[2] http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...I-Byronic-Hero
[3] http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...IEs-in-Fiction
[4] compare to other fictional LSIs like Dexter(2006), Michael Scofield(Prison Break)
[5] Indiana Jones, Magneto (X-Men: First Class), Danny Ocean (Ocean's Eleven)
just my opinion though - I watched Death Note so often that I'm probably a bit too passionate about it
Watari actually seems more delta NF, with his goals to maximize the individual potential of orphan child prodigies and such. His caretaker role seems to be the logical conclusion of that goal since these children don't have parents and can't function on their own.
----- FarDraft, 2020
Alpha SFs in irl do this too though actually.
I see your point though. EII is sometimes called Watson instead of Dosto, to LSE as Sherlock Holmes. I would accept this typing (of EII), or ESE for Watari. I think ESE makes a bit more sense though due to his demeanor. It’s pretty cheerful and warm. EIIs have Ti (coldblooded) role.
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I think most agree with the two characters you pointed out since these characters are almost archetypes in and of themselves, and it's easy to assign types to archetypes.
I don't see Mello as a logical type. His impulsivity and reactivity when people offend him even slightly seems to be more Fi-valuing than Ti-valuing. Se ego is likely to behave this way regardless of type, but the reactivity primarily focused on his personal insecurities makes me think Fi.
I see Misa as Fe valuing over Fi valuing, although this could be a byproduct of her parents being killed. She seems to be the only one in the task force trying to lighten up the mood and create a fun atmosphere. That is stereotypical alpha SF.
Ryuk didn't have enough screen time to type properly. He was little more than a device to show Light's intelligence, as he would suggest an idea and Light would already have thought of why it wouldn't work, or he would ask about Light's plan, and Light would give a detailed explanation, showing that he's thought it through. I think that we can agree that Ryuk is type 7 enneagram, probably 7w8 and 793 tritype or something along those lines.
Damn, forgot about Matsuda. IEE seems correct, though. Aizawa (afro guy) seems cognitively extraverted with Ej > Ip, so LSE > SLI.
----- FarDraft, 2020
@FarDraft I see Aizawa as P temperament compared to Soichiro who I see you also typed as LSE. I also thought SLI for Aizawa because it took him a long time to see the bigger picture of what was going on although he had some hunches and otherwise seemed reasonable and intelligent (1D Ne; Ni role; Ti demonstrative). Also he left the group for family purposes, which looked like a P temperament (defecting), Fi HA move to me.
As for Mello not being logical, meh, he was apparently considered a gifted individual in the series. I get typed SEE/ESI a lot on this forum too lol, or at least I used to. It’s a common error!
Re: Misa, SEEs also have 4D Fe. They are also Reinin positivists too. Demonstrative function is used when necessary. Stereotypes for quasi identicals are often similar. She is grungey and yandere, which is a gamma SF stereotype.
Ryuk: If you don’t think he got enough screen time to type properly, why are you giving him an enneagram tritype?!
And fwiw 793 sounds pretty Ne if you ask me, or just 7 period. I don’t see how you don’t see the Ne or the trolly ILE archetype in him.
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He appeared out of boredom/curiosity and 
-seeking, and threw everything into chaos, 
PoLR. Chemistry with Light is pretty ok so he's not in Alpha as ILE.
