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Thread: Tupac Shakur aka 2Pac

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    "Reality is wrong. Dreams are for real."

    "I believe that everything that you do bad comes back to you. So everything that I do that's bad, I'm going to suffer from it. But in my mind, I believe what I'm doing is right. So I feel like I'm going to heaven."

    "I feel like Black Jesus got his hands on me and guides me through life to put me where I'm supposed to be..."

    "I feel like role models today are not meant to be put on a pedestal. But more like angels with broken wings"

    "It always happens, all the niggaz that change the world die, they dont get to die like regular people, they die violently"

    "We talk a lot about Malcom X and Martin Luther King JR, but It's time to be like them, as strong as them. They were mortal men like us and everyone of us can be like them. I don't want to be a role model. I just want to be someone who says, this is who i am, this is what i do. I say what's on my mind%quot;

    "I am societies child, this is how they made me, and now im sayin what's on my mind and they dont want that. This is what you made me America."

    "The only thing America respects is power and power concedes nothing. After the LA Riots, they tried to calm us down and nothing changed since"

    "Though are hands are chained like they are, they haven't taken music from us yet. So that's how I'll fight. People tell me don't quit like everyone else. I wont have no fear."

    "If God wanted me to be quiet he would've never showed me what he does."

    "The only thing that comes to a sleeping man is dreams."




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    I don't know his type but he looks like Eddie Griffin.
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    He lives on an island with Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrisn, Elvis and Janis Joplin.

    I don't know shit bout the man, but I hate his music.

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    Haha...Sycho you make me happy.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    he was one of my favorite rap artist growing up, I have never seen much of his interview to type him. But watching his interview on youtube I think he was either SEE or EIE. i thought he was SEE at first but thur out the interview he looks more EIE. what do u guys think?
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    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

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    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Fe-INFp cp6w7 sx/sp
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    Yup Fe-INFp

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    Most likely Fi/Te, probably Gamma.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    EIE-Ni, fav rapper
    And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night



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    IEI I think... he comes across as more like SEE in person, but his music was more IEI... More likely IEI than EIE.

    Kind of Ni, unsatisfied with the present and visions of a "better future":

    If I Die 2nite

    "They say pussy and paper is poetry, power and pistols
    Plotting on murdering motherfuckers 'fore they get you

    I'm sick of psychotic society, somebody save me
    Addicted to drama, so even Mama couldn't raise me
    Even the preacher and all my teachers couldn't reach me
    I run in the streets and puffing weed with my peeps

    Picture perfection, pursuing paper with a passion
    Visions of prisons for all the pussies that I blasted
    Running with criminals individuals with no remorse

    In my brain all I can think about is fame
    I'm seeing cemetery photos of my peers
    Conversating like they still here; if I die tonight

    And I hope I'm forgiven for thug livin' when I die
    I wonder if Heaven got a ghetto for thug niggas
    A stress free life and a spot for drug dealers

    Going insane, never die, I live eternal, who shall I fear?
    Don't shed a tear for me, nigga, I ain't happy here
    I hope they bury me and send me to my rest
    Headlines reading 'Murdered to death', my last breath"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dHdLjD_gs

    Btw, Eminem is also an IEI. Tupac more likely an e4, eminem more likely e6.

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    I'm not sure where this IEI idea is coming from. I think he's a good example of an SEE

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    Not a "good" example of SEE:





    And he was more idealistic in his lyrics (though not sure if he actually lived the way he preached):

    [Talking:]
    We gotta make a change...
    It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
    Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
    and let's change the way we treat each other.
    You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
    what we gotta do, to survive.
    2Pac - Changes ft. Talent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Not a "good" example of SEE:





    And he was more idealistic in his lyrics (though not sure if he actually lived the way he preached):



    2Pac - Changes ft. Talent
    Why's that?

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    I'm 100% sure he's EIE and not IEI - he's clearly extraverted and had an active constant energy and nothing about him seemed Te PoLR at all. He doesn't pause and he isn't sluggish and barely there like Kurt Cobain or pretty much any other IEI. And I highly doubt an IEI could keep up with that life. ENFJ is also what he's universally typed in MBTI. As for why he's not SEE, you have to look past the surface image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Why's that?
    He seems more languid and lazy/relaxed than the typical SEE.

    @handjob Well... "Reality is wrong. Dreams are for real." is pretty much Te-PoLR. EIEs might think of such sentiments as naive. That sounds more like Fp.

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    Does Si-Vulnerable make sense here? What about Ti-Seeking?

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    ENFj over INFp from me as well, he preaches quite powerfully, striving for the external impact.

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    To be honest, he could be an EIE... but I think his tendency to dream/think of a "better life/future" and remain optimistic about how things will turn out is more IEI than EIE. EIEs are more likely to reflect on how bad the current state of the world is, and fiercely and fervently criticize it:

    “I know it seems hard sometimes but remember one thing. Through every dark night, there's a bright day after that. So no matter how hard it get, stick your chest out, keep ya head up.... and handle it.”

    “If you can make it through the night, there's a brighter day.”

    “For every dark night there is a brighter day”

    “During your life, never stop dreaming. No one can take away your dreams”

    “Today is filled with anger, fueled with hidden hate.
    Scared of being outkast, afraid of common fate.
    Today is build on tragedies which no one want's to face.
    Nightmares to humanity and morally disgraced.
    Tonight is filled with Rage, violence in the air.
    Children bred with ruthlessness cause no one at home cares.
    Tonight I lay my head down but the pressure never stops,
    knowing that my sanity content when I'm droped.
    But tomorrow I see change, a chance to build a new,
    build on spirit intent of heart and ideas based on truth.
    Tomorrow I wake with second wind and strong because of pride.
    I know I fought with all my heart to keep the dream alive.”
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    Does Si-Vulnerable make sense here? What about Ti-Seeking?
    These seem Ti-valuing:

    "I believe honestly that I can talk. I believe that I have the ability to reason, I have logic, I have compassion, I have understanding. If we talk there's no problem you know what I'm saying. But that's not what happened. People used what they heard in media and that's how they come at me, and then you know we got a clash."

    "You have to be logical. You know? If I know that in this hotel room they have food every day, and I'm knocking on the door every day to eat, and they open the door, let me see the party, let me see them throwing salami all over, I mean, just throwing food around, but they're telling me there's no food."

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    hm maybe so/sx 6w5

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    Im gonna say IEI-Ni 6w5 so/sx 692 tritype, because that's me.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Im gonna say IEI-Ni 6w5 so/sx 692 tritype, because that's me.
    How are you similar to Tupac?
    And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night



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    P type

    Realist ""I am societies child, this is how they made me, and now im sayin what's on my mind and they dont want that. This is what you made me America.""

    ISTp FINAL love him
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    EIE-NI

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    I just randomly listened to a couple of his songs tonight. Why not gamma?

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    EIE-Ni

    Fe/Ni > Ni/Fe

    He had a cognition for passionately translating the feelings/hopes/fears/anxieties/moods of his culture into rap lyrics. Taking those feelings from his relationships and expressing them was intrinsic to his lead function (Fe-dom)...Ni-creative gives it a "prophetic" touch-up.

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    To me he VIs LIE *shrug*

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    At the risk of triggering Bert's pedantic vigilantism over the phrase "word vomit," I will also point out there's too much word vomit for an introvert.

    "feelings harmonize with objective situations and general values" so as to intensify moods and a borderline disposition (quoting Jung on Fe):



    "But since actual life is a constant succession of situations that evoke different and even contradictory feelings, the personality gets split up into many different feeling states."

    The VI comes out EIE-Ni on my list.

    https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/eie-ni/

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    Tupac Shakur - ENFJ - Hamlet


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    Those quotes make sense to me. Its a shame he died so young.

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    IEI-Fe

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    He is either Fe-IEI, Fe-SEI or Ni-ILI, for sure IP > EJ. 6w5 so/sx
    @kingslayer I've never been sure as to why shallow stereotypes confuse people with their typing. Pac is obviously IP.

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    IEI-Fe is most likely, he's a positivist intuitive.

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    Full typing: EIE-Ni 6w7 so/sx

    I see only one IEI (Strnnng) on the forum sees 2pac as IEI but 2pac is nowhere near crusty enough for an IEI...he's smooth and charming with an innate sense for how to work people/rooms and able to present different faces/masks with surprising ease. He's too adaptable for Ni-lead and actually comes off as wanting to be a leader (IEIs don't have any particular desire to be regarded as a leader and don't see themselves as leaders)...FeNi makes for a mass seducer/inciter...In contrast, IEIs are too solipsistically out-of-step with the times and unable to adapt with agreed upon context to serve as an expressive ciphon for cultural angst (the way 2pac did). Note how cool, collected, smooth and charming he is while being deposed as a defendant in this 1995 lawsuit. NiFe having a stronger inner world present outwardly as crusty... being dragged down to a deposition, sued would bring out Ni-lead crustiness in spades and IEI would habitually recontextualize the questions being asked of them such that the deposing party would be doing a lot of "listen to my question" "that's not what I"m asking" "except that doesnt' answer my question"...it'd be a much different deposition and 2pac a more difficult person to depose.



    Stackemup Typology has also provided empirical proof for both 2pac's enneagram and socionics type.

    note the only valid breakdown for every type, wing and stack: https://stackemup.livejournal.com/3649.html

    note the only valid VI templates for every socionics type and subtype: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    Full typing: EIE-Ni 6w7 so/sx

    I see only one IEI (Strnnng) on the forum sees 2pac as IEI but 2pac is nowhere near crusty enough for an IEI...he's smooth and charming with an innate sense for how to work people/rooms and able to present different faces/masks with surprising ease. He's too adaptable for Ni-lead and actually comes off as wanting to be a leader (IEIs don't have any particular desire to be regarded as a leader and don't see themselves as leaders)...FeNi makes for a mass seducer/inciter...In contrast, IEIs are too solipsistically out-of-step with the times and unable to adapt with agreed upon context to serve as an expressive ciphon for cultural angst (the way 2pac did). Note how cool, collected, smooth and charming he is while being deposed as a defendant in this 1995 lawsuit. NiFe having a stronger inner world present outwardly as crusty... being dragged down to a deposition, sued would bring out Ni-lead crustiness in spades and IEI would habitually recontextualize the questions being asked of them such that the deposing party would be doing a lot of "listen to my question" "that's not what I"m asking" "except that doesnt' answer my question"...it'd be a much different deposition and 2pac a more difficult person to depose.



    Stackemup Typology has also provided empirical proof for both 2pac's enneagram and socionics type.

    note the only valid breakdown for every type, wing and stack: https://stackemup.livejournal.com/3649.html

    note the only valid VI templates for every socionics type and subtype: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/
    I didn't watch the video, and it's a fair argument, but I think you're underestimating the extent of IEIs' potential social skill and involvement. Not every one of them is a psychotic sp/sx 4w5 living in an attic; I've seen even someone like crazedrat guide the currents in a dexterous way before. 'Crusty' doesn't go far enough; when probed, IEIs will come out of themselves to the extent that the Se boundaries channel their Fe emotionality. Anyway you could be right, I just wanted to clarify that difference. Pac's e-type makes it ambiguous, as I don't think IEIs can be 6s; he just seems like a j-sub beta without the emotional dominance of an Se-valuing Fe-lead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I didn't watch the video, and it's a fair argument, but I think you're underestimating the extent of IEIs' potential social skill and involvement. Not every one of them is a psychotic sp/sx 4w5 living in an attic; I've seen even someone like crazedrat guide the currents in a dexterous way before. 'Crusty' doesn't go far enough; when probed, IEIs will come out of themselves to the extent that the Se boundaries channel their Fe emotionality. Anyway you could be right, I just wanted to clarify that difference. Pac's e-type makes it ambiguous, as I don't think IEIs can be 6s; he just seems like a j-sub beta without the emotional dominance of an Se-valuing Fe-lead.
    I think there are plenty of IEI 6s
    4,6, 1and 9 are 4 types commonly associated with IEIs I believe, then you have 2 slightly behind and then the rest are probably rare
    I think Pac is pretty clearly IP, whereas a guy like Jay-Z is pretty clearly EJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaderLightChange View Post
    I think there are plenty of IEI 6s
    4,6, 1and 9 are 4 types commonly associated with IEIs I believe, then you have 2 slightly behind and then the rest are probably rare
    I think Pac is pretty clearly IP, whereas a guy like Jay-Z is pretty clearly EJ
    How do you think IEIs can be 6s? For me a head type for a Te-polr as internally immersed as IEI seems counterintuitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    How do you think IEIs can be 6s? For me a head type for a Te-polr as internally immersed as IEI seems counterintuitive.
    It's hard to explain :/ , but IEI's are naturally good at foresight of impeding dangers or something like that ? That can be connected to 6 .

    I think the way I look at it is Enneagram and Socionics are separate concepts to be merged together for a particular individual.
    I still believe there are plenty of IEI 6s, i'm close to 1 irl and there are a few on this site I believe.
    I understand your point though.


    As for Tupac , I am starting to believe he is the same socionics type as Common , Mos Def and Joey Badass. Common mainly, idk why but after watching interviews in depth I could really see genuine patterns between the 2.
    I think Tupac is a positivist intuitive for sure , Ni-IP at the very least.
    I should work on my explanations

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaderLightChange View Post
    He is either Fe-IEI, Fe-SEI or Ni-ILI, for sure IP > EJ. 6w5 so/sx
    @kingslayer I've never been sure as to why shallow stereotypes confuse people with their typing. Pac is obviously IP.
    Yes he's ip. There's an interview I will post tomorrow of him as a young man before he became a rapper. Clear ip temp.

    People are confusing him for eie because he is an fe sub and learned a lot of se because of how and where he grew up

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