Shakira

[Park]

I am sure she is INFp.

I wouldn't dispute the visual similarities, but she's ugly and probably sensory. And extroverted.

[Sirena]

I wouldn't dispute the visual similarities, but she's ugly and probably sensory. And extroverted.

No way. I've followed her career from the beginning (not really anymore though) and I don't think most people that just started to learn about her when she crossed over into English, get who she really is. Most people picture her as the one in all the sexy pics and videos shaking her hips, which in all honestly is how she has portrayed herself in this market. Also, her song writing in English has suffered, imo. If you listen to her Spanish songs, especially older ones, you'd probably know what I mean. Having that as my idea of who Shakira is, I find it hard to believe that other people wouldn't see INFp as well.

Here is an excerpt from a biography written by Katherine Khron:
Shakira sees herself as passionate. "Passion is important, obviously. Colombians are very exaggerated, and I'm exaggerated, too," she says. "I think it's a part of my romantic personality." She is also passionate about her humanitarian causes to help people. She cares about the world......"It may sound old-fashioned, but I desperately want world peace."

Now, before anyone says anything ...I realize that all types of people/celebrities are involved in charities and all that. Being charitable has nothing to do with type. The reason I think it is relevant here is because this is her focus, her worldview, clearly illustrated by the song that made her popular a LONG time ago: "Pies Descalzos". During more intimate interviews (see below), you can see her drifting off into her own little world and this is the sort of stuff she dreamily talks about. You can easily see Ip temperament also.

especially towards the end

especially starting around 2:20


And she is NOT ugly!

P.S. I think the guy interviewing her (Alejandro Sanz, famous singer/songwriter/director) might be ESTp. I like how she keeps drawing him in and he keeps drawing her out.

[olduser]

i dunno. ese or see. she's cool and i like her music because it doesn't sound like every pop song i hear.

[Ritella]

i love her and i think she's gorgeous. wtf at "ugly"??

[jewels]

she seems incredibly ESFp. There's a lot of Se and Fi there. And I think she's super pretty!

[olduser]

did you hear what i said, coming from my barky barky round head?

[Park]

did you hear what i said, coming from my barky barky round head?

i love her and i think she's gorgeous. wtf at "ugly"??

Calm down puppy, you're a lot better looking than her. *pats head*

[Ritella]

Calm down puppy, you're a lot better looking than her. *pats head*

me want bacon!

[duality is cringe]

IEI.

[Sirena]

IEI.

thank you!!! these people just don't know.

P.S. I had a dream about you last night. Well, it wasn't "about" you, but you were in it. And I distinctly remember you were ISTj!

[duality is cringe]

P.S. I had a dream about you last night. Well, it wasn't "about" you, but you were in it. And I distinctly remember you were ESTj!

Awe. You have the sweetest dreams.

Ritella, I am coming for you!

Was Ezra passing out mints to Congress in a school boy uniform while you and I had steamy sex on the Senate floor? That's how it usually happens in my dreams, so I'm wondering if it's the same in yours?

P.S. why the fuck are sirena and forgetmenot dreaming about me? lol.

[Sirena]

Awe. You have the sweetest dreams.

Ritella, I am coming for you!

Coz she's ENFj, right???

Was Ezra passing out mints to Congress in a school boy uniform while you and I had steamy sex on the Senate floor? That's how it usually happens in my dreams, so I'm wondering if it's the same in yours?

LMAO! HAHAHAAA You should start sharing your dreams more often. See! You know you want some Beta sex, so BE Beta already, damn it!!!

*speaks to DeAnte's subconscious*- you agree that dreams are a reflection of our unconscious thoughts and desires, right? our hidden truths, if you will. then you must agree that there's something in play here pointing to the obvious truth...DeAnte's ISTj-ness! make sure to tell him that next time you see him, kay? thanks and nice talking to you!

P.S. why the fuck are sirena and forgetmenot dreaming about me? lol.

Well, it's obvious that forgetmenot wants you to forget her NOT :tongue:. As for me...it's still a mystery hmmmm.

[duality is cringe]

then it's settled; I'm LSE-.

[Sirena]

then it's settled; I'm LSE-.

NO NO NO NO

[tiny_dancer]

Strange.. I looked at those photos, and Rachel Ray kept popping into my head.

[Ritella]

Strange.. I looked at those photos, and Rachel Ray kept popping into my head.

oh ehw.

For some reason I've always been very fond of her style of music, while I usually dislike a lot of pop stuff. Anyway, I hear she's an intellectual genius if I'm not mistaken.

that totally wouldn't surprise me.

[Ritella]

Ritella, I am coming for you!

lol

[aisa]

bump

ESE?

[Amber]

classic SEE-Se so/sx probably e7

[lynn]

SEE 7w6 so/sx

[Jake]

ESE

[Raver]

Probably ESE going on a hunch IMO.

[Chae]

classic SEE-Se so/sx probably e7

That would be my typing as well.

[Delilah]

My suggestion would be LIE

[Chae]

Thinking about the rise of Gamma divas (Beyonce, Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Britney), I think she should be among them. She even has a similar intonation as RiRi here:



I'm also getting a lot of

[darya]

SEE

[wasp]

Si-ego, probably Si-lead

I feel like Se-doms hit the world around them when they dance, like they're trying to dominate their environment (or other people, they're waaay more likely to pull other people into it). there's less refinement, it's about impact, energy flying outwards, it's almost territorial in that sense

melanie is a fantastic example of Se, cody not so much, his movements are actually more in sync when he's dancing alongside her



even will smith (who I think most people type SEE)
he's a little more refined but his energy's still got that "boom" effect and he's pulling other dancers into it



Shakira doesn't do that at all

Si-doms are more fluid, self-contained, serpent-like, they're not dominating their environment, they're maneuvering their body within the environment



even when it's got that "boom" effect it's still self-contained, it doesn't intrude on others physical space, and it rarely pulls others into it, and in my opinion, belly-dancing is one of the most Si styles of dance out there, even when it's geared toward other people it still maneuvers around them



what makes her dancing so mesmerizing to me is that it feels like she's dancing for herself, it's free-flowing, like she's submerged into herself

I know this is gonna sound stupid to some people but I feel like the distinction is so obvious but I recognize that could just be me. I used to watch dancing videos all the time and there were just certain styles that felt like they were punching me in the face, but then smoother styles that I found pleasing

dancing against the music (Se) vs dancing with the music (Si)

[Olimpia]

SEE-Fi often can seem like Fe leads because of their strong Fe. The strongest IE of SEE-Fi is technically Fe, so that's why.

She's mostly adopted the "nice Christian girl" stereotype (from her youth), and seems to never had to go crazy about it, which also makes her seem more ESE than she really is.

I get the impression she could be a 3w2 with a strong 2 wing.

This music video shows her Aggressor side.



Most of her MVs have subtle Aggressor components, but they are not overly strong (apart from She Wolf). They are certainly not Caretaker, however.
This is not unusual for feminine, culturally adapted and children-loving Gamma SF women with a Fi subtype.
They can seem submissive and their Aggressor-ness comes out in specific doses. She's learned to channel her Aggressor side into her belly dancing and so forth.

[Desert Financial]

SEE. Static processing, not dynamic.

I'd love to hear more about her intellectual side.

EDIT: I think people confuse her with ESE because she has 4D .

[darya]

SEE. Static processing, not dynamic.

I'd love to hear more about her intellectual side.

EDIT: I think people confuse her with ESE because she has 4D .

Well there has to be some other factor as well, otherwise most SEE's would be confused as ESE's all the time and that is not the case.

[Chae]

@wasp Typing dance is generally good idea. But! Anyone can learn and portray anything - like Tango which is a very dance. You'd have to have a scale that says how much they can pull a certain style off, but then again: what you see might be the work of an unknown choreographer (or music video director) who ultimately influences the expression a whole lot. What I would take as typing footage is when a dancer describes how they do what they do. Maybe there's a video of Shakira elaborating on that?

As for her typing, lead can already excluded because her is too strong to be 3D. She's really animated and animating for that matter.

[Desert Financial]

Well there has to be some other factor as well, otherwise most SEE's would be confused as ESE's all the time and that is not the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher likelihood for SEEs to be confused as ESEs compared to other types they could be confused as. SEE and ESE both have ego sensing functions and ego feeling functions. ESE has 4D and SEE has 4D . So, if you type people by getting a read on distinct patterns that different types follow, you have 2 significant variables that can skew your results.

But you are right. There are other factors like socialization, culture, and upbringing. In Shakira's case, IQ and EQ probably play a role as well.

[Olimpia]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher likelihood for SEEs to be confused as ESEs compared to other types they could be confused as. SEE and ESE both have ego sensing functions and ego feeling functions. ESE has 4D and SEE has 4D . So, if you type people by getting a read on distinct patterns that different types follow, you have 2 significant variables that can skew your results.

But you are right. There are other factors like socialization, culture, and upbringing. In Shakira's case, IQ and EQ probably play a role as well.

^ This.

[darya]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher likelihood for SEEs to be confused as ESEs compared to other types they could be confused as. SEE and ESE both have ego sensing functions and ego feeling functions. ESE has 4D and SEE has 4D . So, if you type people by getting a read on distinct patterns that different types follow, you have 2 significant variables that can skew your results.

But you are right. There are other factors like socialization, culture, and upbringing. In Shakira's case, IQ and EQ probably play a role as well.

Sure, much likelier than some other types. I was just thinking out loud why she specifically has a certain alpha taste that some other SEE's dont. Britney Spears seems to be similar, with many people typing her SEI-Fe. Maybe it also has to do with bambi endearingness.

[Desert Financial]

Maybe it also has to do with bambi endearingness.

Yes. They both have a "girl next door" "sweetheart" quality you don't really find in many gammas.

[lavos]

IMO, LSI

She doesn't seem much like it because her dual type is probably SEE.

[The Reality Denialist]

ugh if she is alpha then I'm out of alpha.

[Hope]

Sharkira, ESE, her hips don't lie.

[malna]

Fi valued for sure. Probably ESI. Could be SEE, but she looks rational.

[user123]

SEE