Which PoLR is easiest to spot?
For me, it's Fe. No other PoLR generates such awkwardness or embarrassing social situations. I'm sure some are good at hiding it, but the totally out-of-place remarks and inappropriate social behavior immediately stand out when I see it. It's not always a bad thing; it's sometimes refreshing, and I usually find it very entertaining, but in a social setting it can be just awful.
Ni and Se
Se and Fi.
Last edited by Gilly; 02-13-2008 at 06:18 PM.
I can't spot Si at all. To me it seems like a pretty trivial PoLR.
"Waaaa, my room's a mess and I don't want to work out and I'm not sure how I feel!"
Grow a pair, imo.
weak Si/strong Si is actually the element (and polr) i spot in other people most easily.Originally Posted by discojoe
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sloan - rcuei
Si is stupid and being so bent out of shape about it is cute and silly.
It's been my experience that a person will more easily spot the weakest concious function in another when that particular function is their strongest.
Hence the joys of supervision and conflicting relations.
I spot Se PoLR the strongest. It makes me want to encourage the person to raise their voice at me so that they see I can handle it. So in the future they can openly show as much Se as they want without worrying about seeming too harsh. (this assumes they're actually Se-creatives behaving too politely).
I do spot Fe PoLR every now and then, but mostly due to their inability to react to my playful comments.
Ne PoLR never bothered me really. There's this ISTj who never likes to try new food and she hasn't tried some of the most basic things... and we keep convincing her to try some things. It doesn't bother me and she often agrees at the end. But it annoys me how she makes a sour face at ANYTHING new that she tries, including tiramisu and other yummy good things. So I guess what I'm saying is that it's fun to talk Ne PoLR people into new thing, but being so stubborn can cause them to have some annoying traits that will never go away. Otherwise, I barely notice Ne PoLR.
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i think i agree with you on this. with Si/weak sensing (or at least what i generally consider to be such) it's taken place more in the form of having been in cars with ENTps, and having white knuckled it the whole time.
@loki - i think you can spot your supervisor's strong function as well, but i also think that if your supervisor actually likes you they may not press this too much? maybe similar with mirrors.
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sloan - rcuei
Se polr in LIIs sometimes seems rather glaring. other than that, nothing i can think of.
Yeah, from my perspective Ne barely counts as a PoLR. All you have to do is explain the situation to them.
but, i think explaining something or being able to see where an Ne ego is coming from doesn't make an Ne polr able to generate possibilities like the Ne ego. It's still a polr.
Right, well, doesn't that make sense?
I'm not really sure which ones stand out.
Ne porl is really obvious to me because I've dealt with it so much recently. I get into arguments with ISTjs and ISFjs at times because we're looking at the same thing from different perspectives and it can be problematic if there are no intuitive types to facilitate understanding.
Se polrs do not bother me, to me it is just like the "go ahead", the "green light" for being more protective towards that person.
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The most annoying is ENFj's Si polr, IMO, because they need you to actually get angry and visibly reactive, just to sort of prove that they can be "calmed" down.
I do not have extensive experience with INFp Te polr, but with ISFps, they just sort of have a tendency to ... seem foolish? Childish? I don't know.
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IMO, i'd have to sayPoLR for being the most obvious.
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6w7 sx/so/sp
That makes sense.
My experience is the opposite... Ne PoLR's are the ones who seem to need reassurance (or at least assurance), but I'm sure it depends on what kind of reassurance you're offering them.Ni polrs are kind of annoying in that they need a sort of constant reassurance.
I always assumed that had more to do with Fe and Se than Si?The most annoying is ENFj's Si polr, IMO, because they need you to actually get angry and visibly reactive, just to sort of prove that they can be "calmed" down.
Last edited by Joy; 02-14-2008 at 01:16 AM.
Isn't that what he said? How is "Ni polrs are kind of annoying in that they need a sort of constant reassurance." different from "Ni PoLR's are the ones who seem to need reassurance..."?
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yeah, i think this can be how a Se-polr person might view a Se-dom. i was thinking along the lines of the ESTp uncovered vs how an INFj might view this.
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sloan - rcuei
Okay. That makes far more sense now. And you are right, as I do think that both types would need reassurance for something that they may not be prepared for
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PoLRs will, obviously, most easily annoy me, so I can definitely tell there is a strain between them and me. However,
PoLRs are the easiest to spot; the concern (or lack of) for
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Just because I'm a thinking type doesn't mean I'm not an idiot.
ethical types are retards, remember?but how would that be related to
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sloan - rcuei
Like, OMG Gilly!!! Like, maybe, you're like an ESFp like!
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6w7 sx/so/sp
Se and Fi definitely. +2 to Gilly.
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I'd agree. Reason being is that social situations happen all the time, so individuals who partake in this will obviously be shown up to either have grand social skills or poor ones.
don't forget the whip too! can't get enough bedazzlementLike, no way! My ethereal computer art man might just have to don some chaps and a rhinestoned cowboy hat!
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6w7 sx/so/sp
Darn, I had a typo too. let me fix it...
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Just disregard what I said there, I don't remember what I was talking about, but I don't think it was Ni polr. It doesn't seem to make sense.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Well, I think social anxiety can come off as weak Fe.
shut up.Read the post directly above, and you'll see that I just said
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6w7 sx/so/sp
the claws come out.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
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http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ght=definitionROFL, I wasn't being condescending there. The
sorry if i misunderstood
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6w7 sx/so/sp
To summarize that thread for lazies...http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ght=definition
sorry if i misunderstood
Here is liveandletlive's interpretation
whereas my interpretation is probably closer to what Herzy meant
Se & Te PoLR
INTp
sx/sp
I hardly even notice Se, Ni, and Te PoLRs (I'm sure the Se is type-related). Fi, Fe, and Ne are probably the most painfully obvious. Although I'm getting better at recognizing it, I think Si PoLR in particular is kind of subtle; it mainly comes out in how a person moves and speaks, not in anything they say or do specifically.
I guess I don't really "notice" Ti PoLRs because I'm constantly seeing Ti problems anyway.
I think Ni PoLR is fairly easy for me to spot. Also Se. For Te I need more interaction with the person, and Fi PoLR is probably the one I need the most time to spot.
Fe PoLR I think is easiest for me... probably has something to do with control over my creative function. Because i can turn it "on" and "off" it's easier to judge it's effect on another person in both situations, so I find it's generally easy for me to detect weak Fe. I'm also pretty confident at detecting Ni PoLR, like when someone's doing something in an incredibly inefficient way and I fancy I'm being helpful in my attempts to direct them but find out soon enough that I'm just irritating them to hell
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