I've had doubts.
I've had doubts.
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
yes, you could be.
You could very easily be irrational, IP temperment. You do not seem to be very skilled with Si at all, and perhaps you don't value it, so that points away from ISTp.
You are pretty much money in terms of being either E9 or E5.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Describe your relationship with other types you are sure about, like your father. That might help. I would definitely say intuitive. I am not particularly sure of your type, but it seems the most likely ones are INFj, INTp, INFp.
What type do you think you are now?
Also, describe what is making you be doubtful? What has happened? And why now? That might provide some answers. You seem to have changed in how you approach the forum.
PS: do you believe yourself to be "more" or "less" the real you at this time, and if so, expand upon the differences.
One last question - what is it with your sig, really? Why do you enjoy having that quote in your signature? What does it mean to you and why?
PPS: HA? Hmm, she does seem focused on it. Definitely... not Si as a leading function though, that seems pretty clear.
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
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Those are good points.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I think INTp and ISTp are interesting possibilities. Introversion and Fi values seem clear.
Introversion, Fi valuing, but not INFj. On a personal note, I can't identify myself with her.
I tend to agree, though I've never put too much stock in it. Intratype personalities can still be quite diverse. However, I don't know her well enough to venture any alternatives. From what little facts I know, the yoga instructing does sound like Si-valuing (though strong or not is beyond my ken). I could speculate further, but I'd rather not presume any more than I have.
e) too little information
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
I don't trust my own typings, so I won't explain my relationships with people (especially my parents... its too complicated to get into, really).
I'm not particularly sure of my type, hence the thread. Nothing has really happened for me to question my type apart from not feeling like I should be the same type as the other INFjs here. I can't see Minde wanting to be the center of attention by dancing on a bar, or Eunice being nicknamed black widow.
How has the way I approach the forum changed?
I'm certainly more "me" than I was a year ago. I act differently depending on who I'm around and what kind of mood I am in, but I'm always "me"... just not always the full me. I hide certain behaviors from different people.
I don't "enjoy" having the signature I do. It serves as a reminder for me. I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
You're part of a group of forum girls that enjoy bitching about men. Their types are varied, but they share this common background of learned helplessness.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Dissatisfaction =/ helplessness.
Dissatisfaction = dissatisfaction.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
I know other INFjs that enjoy dancing and getting attention from guys, and then complaining about relationships later.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
People see what they want. Other times they want what they see. The distinction is rarely so fine. That doesn't strike me as diplomatism, but more like my own experience, which is subject to the above considerations. So long as everyone is keeping that in mind, then we're probably set to do quite fine.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
what generalizations do I make about males? Yeah, I'm bitter, but I never claimed to hate men. In general I get along much better with men than I do women and most of my friends are guys.
EII
I'll tell you what
there is plenty wrong with me
but I fixed up a few old buildings
and I've planted a few trees.
hmmm. pm away
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
You seem to just be spreading your wings somewhat after a life of confinement. Basically you've had a life of obligation to your family so far, and now you've got more of a social life, you're feeling free from relationships and dealing with other people's emotional BS towards you, or at least more so, and you're a hot young girl, so going out dancing is fun for you.
I call Rita to the stands, another hardcore INFj who has done out and partied a little bit.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
A Fi PoLR that is against bad relationships and thinks that every male and female deserves a chance and thinks that people that are disillusioned about relationships are wrong? It sounds like the complete opposite to me, Fi PoLRs are said to be the ones with the most problems. I think that everybody could live a life of being completely happy with a lot of people they meet on their road, but then people like to create for themselves the problems that these girls speak about instead of just being happy. To me, they seem to have more problems with "feeling" than I have, but who knows.
BTW, yes, sometimes NFs are definitely excessively diplomatic even when the situation calls for a more decisive stance. Sure some girls will have talked bad about some males, but that does not mean they generalize the situation to everybody like this group of bitches does. I know plently of succesfull couples, plently of girls that are happy with their boyfriends, and none of them seem to complain the way they do, guess why? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I don't imagine anyone is for bad relationships. Also, that everyone is deserving of a chance occurs to me as an Ne-characteristic. That some people are disillusioned regarding relationships strikes me as Ti > Te (their experience may very well support this conclusion, though it may not be tenable in the complete range of human experience). However, all we've got to go off of is what we've seen, heard, felt, etc.
Additionally, I've noticed particularly harsh interactions between you and certain other individuals on this forum. One example would be your proposed identical Joy. While it's by no means conclusive since identicals need not get along, there seems a particular animosity that seems to spring forth. Perhaps again I'm being overly diplomatic in admitting the weakness in my argument (since it is by no means certain, and I'm lacking in obstinancy to my own views), but I think this could fit rather smartly with ENTp. I do not see an Fi-valuing in your conduct. Granted this is merely online interaction, but given the general thrust of your posts I think at least something can be gleaned from them.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
What? The only objective evidence (Te) I have for these people is just their forums posts. This is what I am basing my evalutation on, nothing else. How can you deduce that I prefer Ti then? Also, it would be aristocratic Ti, but then it would also be positivistic, then I could only be an ISTj, but then I wouldn't have a Fi PoLR. Not logically coherent.
You see, I don't want to sound like a preacher, but really, Joy is not really likely an ENTj. Where do you see Fi in her conduct and non-Fi in mine, for example...???? All these posts I am making are the complete antithesis of Fe! How could somebody that wants to "be loved" go so forwardly against the most popular people on here?
Additionally, I've noticed particularly harsh interactions between you and certain other individuals on this forum. One example would be your proposed identical Joy.
I notice in evaluating my conduct not being Fi you disergarded the part of my post that was about relationships. This would make you non Te valuing? No, I don't think so, I don't think we can deduce such things from just one post. I am sorry for looking like an ass in this argument and picking on every single thing but it seems like lately here there is no other way to argue without being attacked on their types.While it's by no means conclusive since identicals need not get along, there seems a particular animosity that seems to spring forth. Perhaps again I'm being overly diplomatic in admitting the weakness in my argument (since it is by no means certain, and I'm lacking in obstinancy to my own views), but I think this could fit rather smartly with ENTp. I do not see an Fi-valuing in your conduct. Granted this is merely online interaction, but given the general thrust of your posts I think at least something can be gleaned from them.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Are you so certain that they apply their metrics to everybody else? Self-fulfilling prophecies are a dynamic that fits most all of human judgements/behavior. Are you so sure that you aren't doing the same? The fact that successful couples are happy might be more a matter of the two being acclimated to and suited for one another, as well as complaints being aptly deserved if experience dictates they should be. It's all a slippery slope and one's individual experiences are primary in deciding which way it shall go. Do some people hold views blind to what's going on? Yes. But we shouldn't assume that this is the exclusive domain of any kind of person, especially the 'bitches' you refer to.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Ahah, c'mon, you've clearly missed the dynamics of these girls. First you hear them bitching, then after some posts you hear them saying that without quarrels in a relationship they'd be bored, then you hear them bitching about a quarrel, then they get a boyfriend that doesn't quarrel, and they bitch cuz he's boring. Didn't you see it?? It's been going on for quite some time actually.
If you say that some people are naturally wired to be unhappy, I might say it might be true, even if I don't want to believe it is.It's all a slippery slope and one's individual experiences are primary in deciding which way it shall go. Do some people hold views blind to what's going on? Yes. But we shouldn't assume that this is the exclusive domain of any kind of person, especially the 'bitches' you refer to.
I don't want to discuss my personal experiences but there have been of course bad ones. I don't see how one couldn't just abstract from it and see it's just one occurence over many.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I must be really strange if two people are arguing for Fi PoLR and Fi creative at the same time basing themselves on the same post.
I don't think I'm strange, I just think that socionics information is now completely twisted, this is why something like this can happen.
To get back on topic I do think rockclimber is INFj.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit