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    Hello. I was watching at a documentary and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you. It was Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine.

    Before of anything, I have some existing assumptions and knowledge that I think should be considered in order to understand them:

    * I once read an article that was about the neurological differences between liberals and conservatives. In broad terms it stated that conservatives have stiff minds while liberals have malleable ones. This means that conservatives find it difficult to change their opinions at a chemical level (building or destroying neuron synapses), which makes them uncomfortable and ultimately resist changes.

    * While "Fe" is largely considered related to emotions, from my observations I tend to see it as an information filtering function. It's purpose is to find similarities and differences between things, and when it is applied to people, it serves the purpose of finding a common ground with others.

    Now... watching at the documentary I noticed that, when they spoke about the guys who committed the crime, they said they were quite isolated from the rest of the students and I spotted a pattern:

    A person has a stiff mind and his or her opinions are too strong -> they dislike being around individuals who doesn't share their views -> they form a group who is ideologically homogeneous -> a feeling of belongship is established among the group.
    I see both LSI and ESI doing the same thing, but it's confusing because if we follow the socionical doctrine, only LSI would appreciate Fe (=group bonding) in such a way. My only explanation is that socionics compesates by "allowing" the functions to operate at the same time, thus both ESI and LSI express that behaviour (excercize Fe and Ti). ESI expressess Fe actively and Ti passively and LSI expresses Ti actively and Fe passively. LSI is a leader, ESI is a follower, but the same hierachical system remains (Se).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    * I once read an article that was about the neurological differences between liberals and conservatives. In broad terms it stated that conservatives have stiff minds while liberals have malleable ones. This means that conservatives find it difficult to change their opinions at a chemical level (building or destroying neuron synapses), which makes them uncomfortable and ultimately resist changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    * I once read an article that was about the neurological differences between liberals and conservatives. In broad terms it stated that conservatives have stiff minds while liberals have malleable ones. This means that conservatives find it difficult to change their opinions at a chemical level (building or destroying neuron synapses), which makes them uncomfortable and ultimately resist changes.
    Stuff like that is always extremely interesting. If you by any chance have a link to that or similar articles about neurological differences, I would be happy to read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    * While "Fe" is largely considered related to emotions, from my observations I tend to see it as an information filtering function. It's purpose is to find similarities and differences between things, and when it is applied to people, it serves the purpose of finding a common ground with others.
    Well, of course is primarily an information filtering function, since it is a rational (judging) function. Ganin has explained that difference between having a leading rational or irrational function in this article: http://www.socionics.com/articles/irra.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Stuff like that is always extremely interesting. If you by any chance have a link to that or similar articles about neurological differences, I would be happy to read it.
    I've read a very detailed article on this and I've still got it but it's a hard copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I've read a very detailed article on this and I've still got it but it's a hard copy.
    Can you summarize the main points and conclusions in a few sentences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    It's a different one dude but hopefully that one will do.

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    It's on CNN:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/02/11...nes/index.html

    Let's be perfectly clear about something: this has NOTHING directly to do with classical socionics. (however, it PROVES a fragment of psychic domain theory.)

    It is hugely significant though, because it says POINT BLANK THAT TYPOLOGICAL DIMENSIONS CAN BE DISCERNED IN THE HUMAN BRAIN. THEREFORE, ALL VALID PSYCHOLOGICAL TYPOLOGIES MAY BE CORRELATED TO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BRAIN.

    It's no longer speculation. It is solid, irrefutable fact. Socionics can be proven beyond doubt.

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    If I may be allowed this soapbox...

    Well, of course is primarily an information filtering function, since it is a rational (judging) function. Ganin has explained that difference between having a leading rational or irrational function in this article: http://www.socionics.com/articles/irra.htm
    Ganin's views are far from the only ones available on the difference between Rationals and Irrationals, though. If you interpret the difference between the two in terms of the distribution of the Positivism and Negativism dichotomies, and with that of the Limiting and Empowering aspects of functions, you get a slightly different result with the same explanatory power: Rationals believe that the "stripped-down essence" (Limiting) of perceived objects lies on the level of the noumenom (Extrovert Perception) as opposed to on that of the phenomenom (Introvert Perception). As such, rationals refuse to attach factual judgments to observations until they know for sure that the observation in question hinted at a known and previously processed state in outer reality.

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    I like how he didn't mention psychic domain theory in the least in this post.

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