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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I guess INFp or INTp.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    ISFj. Failing that, maybe ESFp or INTp.

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    'Encyclopedia Dramatica'?

    ...always a good sign.

    *cough*

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    @ Expat and HotelAmbush

    What is making you lean towards those particular types?

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    Well, she's obviously Se quadra - note the overdone clothes and makeup in the first picture. She also has kind of a deadened leer that I associate with Gamma SFs.

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    The model / actress / porn star.



    She's similar to this actress who I've seen typed as INTj:



    I guess by default, the other possibility is INFp for her (or both of them), since both types are intuitive, introverted and Fe/Ti valuing.
    More introverted INFps tend to have underplayed or subdued emotional reactions and facial expressions, but perhaps not to the same level of coldness as those two (?). You be the judge.

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    NF
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I originally thought Beta irrational for her, but after that video I'd say INFp specifically, based on comparisons to people I know in person. Does appear introverted.
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    Nicole Kidman is usually typed INTj. There are some similarities, especially around the eyes:


    [ETA: Sorry to bring VI into this, but roll with it anyway.]

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    Nicole is ESFp
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Tyra Banks is a selfish idealist. She ironically blames women but I don't see her interviewing straight porn stars? Gay for pay ones and easy women she can portray as 'victims.' Why isn't anybody talking to the straight male performers here?

    It just idk reminds me of like in school if somebody was being picked on the person who was being made fun of would 'get counseling' but the offender wouldn't, and it just sent the message that people were actually afraid to stand up to the offender, you know? Like all of society secretly agreed with the person who spat on the woman's face. That's why misogny and homophobia reigns supreme.

    Now whether or not people are abused in porn is a debatable subject. But say they are, for the sake of the subject. If you really want to help women, you'd get into the minds of the men that do that to them.

    You have to be fair. If you interview the throat fucked, you should interview the throat fucker. It's just all too easy to say 'that girl must have low self-esteem so we can exploit that cause it feels good, cause I'm not like that. yeaaah.'

    There's a bisexual male photographer that does that, and I think he's really honest and fair. He has a really cool friendship with Ashley Blue, they have good friend chemistry together and stuff. (and she's really likeable as a person I think)

    There's a thin line between being a model and a porn actress, I mean both are really disgustingly exploitative and such. At least porn is more honest about it. Tyra's superiority complex is really annoying. Me and other gay guys were talking about how annoying she can be.

    (If she actually did like interview mr. pete or brandon iron or all the guys who throat fucked her, tell me. But I doubt she did, didn't she? Tyra seems like a hypocritical half-woman that likes to see women suffer honestly. She claims that she likes to empower women? wtf....how is that empowering?)

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    Tyra is like Oprah...ISFp
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Sasha grey seems exceedingly cold, ILI/intp.

    She's a terrible actress in every porno I've seen, worse than the others, Jenna Jameson is close to winning an oscar in comparison. Do some other porn stars, hah, type them, Grey is famous because she's not an idiot and also is an entrepreneur(ILI thinking again) and starred in some shitty real, NON_PORN movie.
    BTW theres several threads about her already. The basic gist was Ni/se valuing possibly sle/estp(gilly? and some others), and ILI (expat?).

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    I seriously considered that she might be Fe PoLR, and it's still a possibility. But Ti dominants can seem very cold as well, when they're just being stoic. They're still sensitive to emotional pressures from the environments.

    I'm a Ti creative and I seem monotone, cold and calculating much of the time.

    The only thing that supports an Ni/Se typing is that the porn industry is Ni/Se in general, which is a criterion I'd like to avoid in typing, rather focusing on her personal characteristics. She does have relatively laid back energy levels, which is consistent with both IP and IJ temperaments.

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    sasha grey reminds me of a female marilyn manson. maybe ENFj

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    Perhaps NiFe or FeNi.
    LII
    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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    I'm thinking of ILI.

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    I also think she's gorgeous ... like her aura/style, just as glamourama does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    i think Si can just as easily produce an aesthetic affect like hers, just by way of different motivation.
    Very very unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    we apparently have very different views of who's Si base then.

    some of my experiences - ISTp's can be clean-cut, down-to-business people who after basic comforts don't see the need to garner any attention. but then they've got that POLR which can prone them to a "don't give a damn" attitude towards society's aesthetics.
    Since when is Fe about aesthetics? Not to mention Te!

    ISFp's - although more socially-conscious, they are less practically-conscious so the net effect can be similar. also sometimes to "express themselves" - not to anyone in particular, but to uphold their own mood to themselves, for themselves. i've noticed alpha SF mood can be very dependent on their aesthetic surroundings. and being Ne-seeking/irrationals, those can be unconventional tastes in ISFp.
    Unconventional, yes, but nothing like the seductive-temptress look.

    on the other side of the socion - you've got Bill Gates and Brad Pitt being the same type. really, how type-related can this stuff therefore be?
    I don't know what type Brad Pitt is, so I can't respond to this. However, sensing is obviously related to aesthetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    some Te considerations: time consumption, cost, perhaps workplace mobility and safety (e.g. a girl not wearing goofy shoes if her job has a lot of walking.)
    Of course Te may be related to clothing, but not aesthetics per se.

    Fe - everything that was said about expression?? if Fe may use colorful phrases and facial expressions to convery its present emotional state, why not clothes too?
    What emotional state does clothing convey?

    *shrug* all i think that matters is that the Si type isn't exclusively trying to be seductive. (dressing to hook others' wants would be Se.) but maybe someone just finds the seductive look pleasing to their own eye (Si) or affirming of emotional state somehow (bloced with Fe.)
    Fair point. But this girl is obviously trying to be seductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    well as a disclaimer, i dress conservatively myself! so i'm really stretching my imagination here.
    Exactly, you are arguing based on what functional preferences theoretically are supposed to be, and not on your personal observations of them. The information elements themselves are simple to understand - but the functions are not.

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    I didn't expect this kind of debate here, lol. (I agree with 99% ifmd95 said, by the way.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    i have IRL observed people i have typed Si base - based on other criteria - dressing seductively.
    You're missing the point.

    Winterpark, do you know the girl personally? What are your thoughts on her type?

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    INFp, your subtype. Googling her now.

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    Porn is immoral and breaks families.
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    Heh, an action can be called good/moral only if it contributes to a good end, which means for an action to be immoral it has to contribute to a bad end, which further means that a moral obligation of an intelligent person is to find out as far as possible whether a given action leads to a good or a bad end.

    Shitty premise.

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    She is the same type as the lead singer of Siouxsie and the Banshees. I vote ILI.



     
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    Actually I oppose families and morality but enough off-topic.

    She seems interesting. I wonder if I'd get something else from her pornographic production than a visual stimulus for masturbation. I really like Rakel Liekki which is a Finnish ex porn star who now has a talk show and art expeditions. Her porn was said to be even feminist.
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    Bullshit those are not her top 5 favorite movies.
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    I think she has some sort ILI Fe ignorance. She doesn't genuinely seem to give a shit about criticism towards her because she knows better.
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    Siouxsie Sioux is LII. I have no idea what type Sasha Grey is, but she does remind me of you, Starfall (I only saw one of your pics).

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    She's not overly expressive, but she's not exactly dead-pan either. She comes off to me as more coy and sultry, than dry or serious. Her expression in this picture, for instance, stands out to me as Fe-like, even if subdued:



    I expect INTps to display less control or awareness of the emotional affect their expressions carry.
    Ni-INFp, I think. (> Ti-ESTp. Beta anyhow.)

    PS. I've thought for a while that Siouxsie Sioux is IEI.

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    I personally think she's full of shit.
    I watched a few of her pornos, they're not artistic.. they're not expressions of art, LOL, it's hilarious that she's using that as her justification. Isn't it okay to just say you're in it for the money? and pseudo-fame? Now I find her distasteful. Not because she does porn but because she thinks she's better than everyone else because she does it as "art" when it's not. lady, you're just someone's cumdumpster. get over yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    I personally think she's full of shit.
    I watched a few of her pornos, they're not artistic.. they're not expressions of art, LOL, it's hilarious that she's using that as her justification. Isn't it okay to just say you're in it for the money? and pseudo-fame? Now I find her distasteful. Not because she does porn but because she thinks she's better than everyone else because she does it as "art" when it's not. lady, you're just someone's cumdumpster. get over yourself.
    now i have an excuse to post this:
    http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/...u=i_hate_sasha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    You can imagine some dumb liberal types fawning over her bamboozling them with a made-up story about how getting doubly-penetreated by two negroes in Deep Dicks 7 was a powerful feminist statement on the complicity of White Establishment apathy regarding the plight of African women in Darfur.
    maybe that's what it is to her. why do you care?

    why is it so important to make sure the dumb fucking slut knows her place?

    you people are fucking assholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    why is it so important to make sure the dumb fucking slut knows her place?
    Social stigmata.

    I do have my own opinion about what I consider art and not (which is actually a rather "strict" definition in my view). But I have learned that everything and nothing is art, depending on individual perception, so I don't get offended anymore if someone calls a pile of dirt "art". She doesn't hurt anyone by doing porn movies and if people are offended by the them, they don't need to watch them. Is she a lesser human because she worked in the sex industry? I can think of much, much worse things someone could do to earn my disrespect. But apparently, the parents in that school would disagree with me. What did they think? That she'll do some hot scenes with their children? Please...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I'd suspect that parents don't want it implicitly condoned to potentially impressionable children that being a porn star is a normal and acceptable livelihood.
    Yes, I can imagine that. But in this situation, I doubt that they have mentioned what she did in the past. Of course, with the help of the internet, the children could easily check it out with a quick google query, but still. If they do find it out later, (if they even remember her name) I believe it might be a good lesson for them to learn that porn actors are humans, too. I mean, as a contrast to all the gangstas rapping about "bitches" ect. In this situation, she was simply a nice woman showing the value of reading in the eyes of those children.
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