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    I think its gamma or delta. Fi>Fe and I think the plot is Se>Si but the music and theme seems more Si>Se. Discuss, discuss.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=K0SKf0K3bxg

    Type ideas for the main characters? I love Juno's determination and independence with a rebellious streak and a pool of inner feelings she works so hard to show in a tough way.
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    Nothing else was on, don't shoot me

    Juno: ILE-Ni, 7w8 sx/sp (ENTP)
    Bleeker: SEI-Si, 9w8 sx/so (ISFP)
    Vanessa: LSE-Fi, 6w7 sx/so (ESFJ)
    Mark: IEE-Si, 7w6 sx/sp (ENFP)
    Juno's dad: LSE-Si, 6w7 sx/so (ESTJ)
    Juno's stepmom: ESE-Fi, 6w7 so/sx (ESFJ)
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    I don't like that movie, or it's soundtrack, that stupid "without you" song.

    Juno is smelly

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    Juno is a Delta movie all around.

    Juno: LSE
    Bleeker: EII
    Mark: SLI
    Vanessa: EII or ESI
    Juno's dad: LSE

    Jason Reitman (director): perhaps EII or IEE
    Diablo Cody (writer): SLI or LSE

    Quote Originally Posted by socionics.us
    Types of this quadra [Delta] enjoy discussing people, internal motivation, and self-development. They believe in peaceful self-government without coercion and in the inherent potential of each human being for personal fulfillment
    that's this movie in a nutshell.
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    Juno is no Te-leading. You have a point on the theme of the movie itself being Delta, but if Juno were a Delta she'd be IEE -- and she's not. She's emotionally retarded.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Nothing else was on, don't shoot me
    Juno: ILE
    Bleeker: SEI
    Mark: IEE
    Juno's dad: LSE
    I like these.

    I would choose Vanessa as ESE more than LSE for a beneficiary/benefactor relationship between Mark and her rather than activity. From my experience, Mark's feelings toward Vanessa and her feelings toward him seem prototypical of what goes wrong in Benefactor/Beneficiary and how such a socionics relationship will fall apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    would choose Vanessa as ESE more than LSE for a beneficiary/benefactor relationship between Mark and her rather than activity. From my experience, Mark's feelings toward Vanessa and her feelings toward him seem prototypical of what goes wrong in Benefactor/Beneficiary and how such a socionics relationship will fall apart.
    So your theory is Mark is the beneficiary? That seems off -- Mark seemed to be the one being squeezed.

    I would also prefer Mark as ILE over Vanessa as ESE. She seems more rigid than I generally think of ESEs as being.

    The proposal is interesting though...
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    So your theory is Mark is the beneficiary? That seems off -- Mark seemed to be the one being squeezed.
    Yes, the beneficiary is the one that is benefiting and can become greatly disillusioned with the other partner.

    I would also prefer Mark as ILE over Vanessa as ESE. She seems more rigid than I generally think of ESEs as being.

    The proposal is interesting though...
    Yeah, ILE/LSE could work too. Maybe I'm far off though, when I saw the film I didn't even know about socionics theory so I'm trusting my memory to be impartial about it.

    I remember her character having the 'pants in the family' role, but at the same time wanting to fit a motherly role of caregiver, as if the role was something she had to force herself to do (Te role function?). She had an entertainer's way about her when they visited her. LSEs can become a bit more egotistical in their entertaining with people, as if to herd everyone to their own Te-Fi agenda rather than have a merry exchange with someone. ESEs will worry to some extent about this and become uncomfortable during the exchange if they believe this isn't happening. LSEs don't seem to care as much about this, but instead about whether or not people directly voice what it is that they don't like or do; if no one speaks about up directly about something they feel everything is fine.

    I really like IEE/ESE for them, but I shouldn't expect you to agree. I've changed typings before after learning more, so that's pretty much it. I'm also kind of basing the similarity of that relation to the benefactor/beneficiary relationship I had/have with an LSE.

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    I wanted to like this movie but I was so disappointed. The whole thing consisted of Juno making witty comebacks to everything, it was so irritating. It was like they were trying entirely too hard, sort of like watching Gilmore Girls only even more annoying, if that's possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Juno: ILE-Ni
    More like ILI-Ne amirite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Vanessa: LSE-Fi
    More like EII-Te amirite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Mark: IEE-Si
    More like SLI-Ne amirite.
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    Juno's stepmom: ESE-Fi
    More like ESI-Fe amirite.

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    Flick is delta.

    Juno I think is IEE.

    Why IEE?

    Because a ILE would get a anonymous abortion, never tell anyone and barely have a bad night sleep about it. There sure wouldn't be much movie material.

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    I've seen it a long time ago, a friend recommended me it. Not that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Flick is delta.
    Yes.

    Juno I think is IEE.

    Why IEE?

    Because a ILE would get a anonymous abortion, never tell anyone and barely have a bad night sleep about it. There sure wouldn't be much movie material.

    -Polr
    Nah. ILEs can be snarky attention whores (which she is -- the entire movie is Juno saying LOOK AT MEEEEE). Further, her point was that she was IN WUVVVVVV AND GAVE UP THEIR SEED WAAAAAH, which can easily result from xLE-xEI duality. The xLE turns into a sap, defying logical explanation.

    But most importantly, Bleeker is not SLI, and their relationship is not rocky enough for them to be semi-duals.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Yes.


    Nah. ILEs can be snarky attention whores (which she is -- the entire movie is Juno saying LOOK AT MEEEEE). Further, her point was that she was IN WUVVVVVV AND GAVE UP THEIR SEED WAAAAAH, which can easily result from xLE-xEI duality. The xLE turns into a sap, defying logical explanation.

    But most importantly, Bleeker is not SLI, and their relationship is not rocky enough for them to be semi-duals.
    ILE's are not the only attention seeking types. IEE is just as attention seeking and likely better at it then ILE's.

    ILE's are often reclusive but we do enjoy recognition for our accomplishments, ideas, thought. This is key, because many types seek recognition but why and how is far more important in socionic typing. ILE's do not seek recognition for something personal like a child, making a decision about abortion/adoption, and these ethical decisions. These are kept completely to ourselves and perhaps with someone wholly trusted. In contrast, these sort of verbalization are often conveyed by our duals (SEI) who have no problem making sure everyone who should know does know how the relationship is going.

    This character also is quite confident in dealing with the familial ramifications of her pregnancy, where as ILE would absolutely have trouble dealing with this from a familial and authoritative level.

    Bleeker isn't really a fully fleshed character, more a sperm donor with dialogue, so I won't type this character.

    I want to note that I think Ellen Page is ILE, and this influences the portrayal of the character.
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    No, ILE-Ni. She doesn't seem outgoing enough for C-ILE.

    She could be ILE-Ne though.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Juno does have a likable personality, yeah.

    i guess i see her too consistently direct, decisive, and active/on-the-go to be ILE. also i think ILEs tend to keep more of a (sometimes awkward) psychological distance with people, but Juno is always very straightforward and confident in her interactions. she does use interesting language when communicating, but she's really pretty matter-of-fact if you look at the things she says (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0467406/quotes)

    of course i'm probably biased because i really think this movie is Delta, made by Deltas, so i don't immediately see them preferring and being so sympathetic to an Fi polr protagonist, not that it's impossible.

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    ILEs are very in your face. Moreso than IEEs actually (though less so than SLEs), because as Fi-PoLRs they have serious trouble telling when they're being rude or intrusive, or even caring. Being direct is not an argument for IEE over ILE (and LSE is still patently ridiculous), it's an argument for SLE over ILE.

    Did you dislike the movie, Glam?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    ILEs are very in your face. Moreso than IEEs actually (though less so than SLEs), because as Fi-PoLRs they have serious trouble telling when they're being rude or intrusive, or even caring. Being direct is not an argument for IEE over ILE (and LSE is still patently ridiculous), it's an argument for SLE over ILE.
    iirc, Juno doesn't really say offensive or rude things? and she doesn't get up in people's faces either.

    why is LSE so ridiculous?

    Did you dislike the movie, Glam?
    nah, it's alright.

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    Juno: ILE
    Bleeker: SEI


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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    The writer is a ex-stripper journalist(maybe enfp)... so I'm tossing my grenade at Delta.. god the trailer makes me squirm a little bit with the ..
    I loved that movie. I almost cried at the end. I'm definitely buying it on DVD to add to my collection of heartwarming movies.
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

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    Loved the movie, Juno is a fucking awesome girl (quick wit) and her man friend is loveable too.
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    Loki, what type are you? Just out of curiosity.
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

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    Bah, this movie is so hyped and I bet it's overrated. I have no desire to see it. Something about the character of Juno turns me off. Actually the vibe of the whole movie is quite irksome. It's like it's trying a little too hard to be oh-so indie and look at me, I'm quirky, love me! -__- Her personality is so dry and boring ... the wit seems really tacked on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Bah, this movie is so hyped and I bet it's overrated. I have no desire to see it. Something about the character of Juno turns me off. Actually the vibe of the whole movie is quite irksome. It's like it's trying a little too hard to be oh-so indie and look at me, I'm quirky, love me! -__- Her personality is so dry and boring ... the wit seems really tacked on.
    Then don't watch it hotstuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Bah, this movie is so hyped and I bet it's overrated. I have no desire to see it. Something about the character of Juno turns me off. Actually the vibe of the whole movie is quite irksome. It's like it's trying a little too hard to be oh-so indie and look at me, I'm quirky, love me! -__- Her personality is so dry and boring ... the wit seems really tacked on.
    Umm.. you say all this and yet YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux View Post
    Bah, this movie is so hyped and I bet it's overrated. I have no desire to see it. Something about the character of Juno turns me off. Actually the vibe of the whole movie is quite irksome. It's like it's trying a little too hard to be oh-so indie and look at me, I'm quirky, love me! -__- Her personality is so dry and boring ... the wit seems really tacked on.
    I felt the same way, but I liked the movie. It had the happiest possible ending. Juno has a very offputting body-language.

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    Juno SLI/LSE
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    the not-so-kid-obsessed man IEE
    EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
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