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    I have a hard time talking about my beliefs to other people, and whenever I do it gets weird, and I feel very uncomfortable. I tried speaking with someone today about how the civil rights movement of the 60s can be forgotten easily if you don't really remember the effort people put into it. And yet I think I just came off sounding like I was trying way too hard, and sounded rather foolish. I felt nervous and it was kind of bad. I realized that it was not just Ne HA, but it was Fi dual seeking, because I was having a hard time really saying what I felt wrong or not. So I left things vague, but, being a good listener, the person I was talking to was asking good questions. I wanted to respond but felt like I didn't know the person well enough to really do it right. I felt like I was sort of hoping that the person would "take the ball and run with it", but rightfully so they asked me for understanding. It was just uncomfortable and I think I sounded foolish.
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    I can definitely see that being connected to Fi dual-seeking. Why do you think it's realted to the Ne HA though? (having difficulty seeing it)

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    When I try to creatively demonstrate I am talking about or connect things, unless I am really secure with someone and know them well enough, I am not very good at it. Expat wrote a thread a while ago about the pathetic hidden agenda or something, and it was pretty much that sort of feeling. Like it was just kind of backfiring when I was trying to do it, and for a few moments I actually knew that what I was saying was just going to sound awkward when it came out.

    Maybe it is more an Fi dual seeking thing.

    It was just bad. I am actually tempted to try to explain myself to the person, to try to clear things up.
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    PS: it didn't help that I felt like I had to hurry up and say things, so I was rushed, and it screwed up my delivery even more. So maybe even some polr shots. I just didn't have everything planned out before I said it, or saw where it was going, so it was sort of awkward sounding.
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    Doesn't sound like Fi dual-seeking sounds like....what's it called, Fi ego? You went from INTj to a fucking ESTj.... a big leap imo, yet you clearly behave like an introvert. ((Before you sic Expat on me I know, a socionics introvert isn't the same as a blablabla...but still, you just don't really act ESTj-ish much at all.))

    That is like SUCH an INFj thing to do though. Like, kinda kill the discussion by saying one really pure and strong thing all at once. All the INFjs I know do that. It is indeed very powerful. It makes people either shut up or hate you (or be in awe of you) - or do something, but it's like the INFj doesn't realize their own strength. It's a weak thing definitely. It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar. You exhaust your power in big bursts instead of all the time....while spending most of your time conserving/restoring your energy for those big burst moments.

    You seem like you're lonely and that you're your own best friend sometimes (not that there's anything wrong with that), so I think it's easy for you to confuse dual-seeking with what you're actually good at. You seem to be saddened in the real world because you're not around people of your own quadra. You just seem upset that you had to go through a college experience with sooo many betas. ;D

    Maybe it is more an Fi dual seeking thing.
    No, it's Te-dual seeking. You need somebody to organize and formulate your thoughts so that they can be better appointed to the public. Otherwise you will socially exclude yourself for dropping a moral anvil on people all at once. You are either INFj or INTj still- why you insist on being an ESTj is just beyond my comprehension sometimes because I never really saw you as that.

    Just in another thread, and more example of your weak Se: Instead of fighting me about it like others would, you basically say 'fine you can think what you want to think.' Sorry but that points to your weak Se. You don't know how to quite maneuver the conversation where you want it to go, so you just kinda have to isolate and give up easily.

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    If I may add one last thing:

    I understand it can be frustrating if you have as your polr. Especially in American society, it tends to be quite obvious and ...it does make you a target for all the social awkwardness that you want help about. It's like, one of the most obvious weakness that shows right away, and all I can say is that I understand that it must be very difficult for you. But you can't not be who you are just because you don't want to have a polr. I don't know if you're really doing this, but imo - I think sometimes people avoid those types because they don't want to be associated with having a lack of power. As your quasi-identical, I can relate to this for slightly different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Just in another thread, and more example of your weak Se: Instead of fighting me about it like others would, you basically say 'fine you can think what you want to think.' Sorry but that points to your weak Se. You don't know how to quite maneuver the conversation where you want it to go, so you just kinda have to isolate and give up easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Doesn't sound like Fi dual-seeking sounds like....what's it called, Fi ego? You went from INTj to a fucking ESTj.... a big leap imo, yet you clearly behave like an introvert. ((Before you sic Expat on me I know, a socionics introvert isn't the same as a blablabla...but still, you just don't really act ESTj-ish much at all.))
    I agree with you that he's not LSE, but you need to develop your reasoning. If you recall, UDP embarked on a massive discourse to prove he was serious about his single type change.

    That is like SUCH an INFj thing to do though. Like, kinda kill the discussion by saying one really pure and strong thing all at once. All the INFjs I know do that. It is indeed very powerful. It makes people either shut up or hate you (or be in awe of you) - or do something, but it's like the INFj doesn't realize their own strength. It's a weak thing definitely. It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar. You exhaust your power in big bursts instead of all the time....while spending most of your time conserving/restoring your energy for those big burst moments.

    You seem like you're lonely and that you're your own best friend sometimes (not that there's anything wrong with that), so I think it's easy for you to confuse dual-seeking with what you're actually good at. You seem to be saddened in the real world because you're not around people of your own quadra. You just seem upset that you had to go through a college experience with sooo many betas. ;D
    Poor reasoning. Nonetheless, UDP, have you ever thought about EII? The only reason I ask is that I've had a sudden intuition; the way you talk sounds almost identical to Minde (but in man form, obviously).

    No, it's Te-dual seeking. You need somebody to organize and formulate your thoughts so that they can be better appointed to the public. Otherwise you will socially exclude yourself for dropping a moral anvil on people all at once. You are either INFj or INTj still- why you insist on being an ESTj is just beyond my comprehension sometimes because I never really saw you as that.
    I disagree. I think he's perfectly adept at organising his thoughts.

    Just in another thread, and more example of your weak Se: Instead of fighting me about it like others would, you basically say 'fine you can think what you want to think.' Sorry but that points to your weak Se. You don't know how to quite maneuver the conversation where you want it to go, so you just kinda have to isolate and give up easily.
    At first I thought, "no". But fair point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
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