FDG, you're an ENTj, can you relate to some of the things I've said?
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
I've been warned by that by Dee also....seems like there are some erroneous typers around here ehhh?
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
ftr what you have written here about bluntness and nonemotionality does sort of point to Te, but there's almost nothing to back that up.
That is true, evidently the only way of knowing is through visible actions.
But I know it's either between ENTj and ENFj, it's one of those two.
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
Based upon type descriptors and reading the type functions I can say it's either ENTj or ENFj (maybe ENFp).
I have always resonated strongly with these two types, especially ENFj.
But can ENFj get into arguments or trouble for being 'insensitive, blunt, harsh, arrogant?'
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
That's an interesting question. Based on the behavior of some posters or ex-posters here that are seen as ENFj - I mean Jadae in particular - I'd have to say yes. I'm not even getting into some others who are more controversial. Also, some of the historical figures typed as ENFj by Russian socionists - for instance, Trotsky - would certainly have made such an impression at least on some people.
It all depends, I think, on what the ENFj is trying to achieve, or what is driving him, in a certain situation. In some situations, the "right" thing to do from the point of view of FeNi may indeed be what others would call "insensitive, harsh" etc.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Yes, it does seem that when ENFj operates on Fe alone (similar to how the ENTj operates on Te alone) they come off as insensitive, difficult, controlling ect.
It's only when both ENFj and ENTj back their Fe with Ni that they generally calm down and able to see the underlying possibilities.
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
"Difficult" is a difficult term, many people can find many people difficult for many reasons. And EJs with Se as quadra value - which is the case of both ENFjs and ENTjs - can appear controlling to other types.
Both the ENFj and the ENTj have a drive to shape, to control, in a proactive way, their external environment. The difference is that the ENFj sees, and tries to steer, that environment through Fe, and the ENTj, through Te.
That's not how it works in the socionics interpretation of the functions. Ni is what feeds Fe or Te with a sense of longer-term effect, or of a sense of a higher meaning, as opposed to what is immediately perceived. So Ni may well be precisely what makes them act more harshly.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Just wanted to mention that based on what I've read of Angel Alliterator's posts thus far, I haven't seen anything that would be a strong indicator of whether EIE or LIE is more likely.
Well, LIE's are positivists and emotive. I don't really know about the stuff you said about EIE's though. And Expat is most certainly not LII.
There has been time where I do show empathy and emotion, but it's done in either subtle ways or in privacy.
But it's rare and happens for the most part..rarely, I would think this would be opposite of a type with Fe as their first function.
But Fe is in relation to convictions and ethics and not solely on dramatics and emotion.
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
That's quite all right. I think that your understanding of socionics is rudimentary at best, and what I say mostly goes over your head, and at worst that you are clueless; so I can hardly complain if you say you find my views "questionable".
@Angel Allitarator: if you are serious about understanding socionics, I would suggest that you leave aside for a moment the question of your precise type, and focus then in understanding precisely each function, Te and Fe included, since in my opinion you haven't yet. No function is as straightforward as some descriptions make them seem.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
dee, this is a good example of you making yourself annoying.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Right, so dee currently believes I am INTJ, and yet he tells AA that there has a talk of my being ESTJ. So I must conclude that he thinks that those who think I'm ESTJ are wrong, since he (as he says) thinks I'm INTJ? Or why then is he even mentioning it?
Or is he simply saying whatever he can think of to attack me, but doing a very pathetic job about it, even contradicting himself from one post to the other?
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Dee, do you want people to take you seriously? .....
.....A bit of advice for you, Dee - show respect when people go out of their way for your behalf. Or even when they are trying to have a serious and intelligent conversation with you. Make sure you are aware when other people do this for you, so that way you can appreciate it and respect what they do for you. I say this because I have failed in that way in the past myself.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I see where Minde's coming from on dee. What he writes is indeed more of an expression. It's like his thoughts as they are. This is why LIEs have a problem with him. LIEs are like "wtf omfgz dis guyz a n00b......................." because he doesn't explain himself in a logical or coherent way. Why? Because he's not explaining himself. And what do LIEs like? Explanation. They don't want expression. It's a horrible, horrible manifestation of Fe blocked with (eurgh) Si.
Both Ezra and FDG are right imo. But explanation implies that there is something to be explained, which I doubt there is, apart from him saying whenever comes to his mind to "neutralize" his source of immediate frustration, whether myself or FDG or whomever. And I realize that dee may well not even remember it tomorrow. Which makes it all the more annoying to me.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Yeah...........you know I've been thinking for a while about resurrecting it. There's a bunch of things that ought to go there. I'll go fetch it.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Dee I think you need to stop selling yourself short. Look up a lot of things about EQ and Leadership in general. I just found an interesting article on it through one of my classes - EQ. If you ever want to talk about something like that let me know, it is something I definitely want to improve on myself.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I think that for the time being, best to just read the functions and determining which type specifically am I.
But as I said, it's really between ENTJ and ENFJ.
FeNi or TeNi.
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)
Did dee just turn into lefty?
I could see that. IEI is more likely for you.
Incorrect and subjective.
That should be quite easy to determine. Are you Te/Fi or Fe/Ti valuing? Do you best identify with Beta or Gamma quadra. Look at Wikisocion.
Thanks Ezra. It was very easy to determine after reading the Wiki Socion, how could I ever doubted I am and always will be EIE?
ENFp (IEE, intuitive Subtype)