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    So whats your take on conspiracy theories. Other quadras chime in aswell im quite curious about deltas tho.

    The two ISTp guys who i know both suggested i watch 911 loose change. They dont know each other. They both seem to thoroughly believe in these things. One of them is now watching Zeigest or something and is talking about how religeon is based on the stars. It makes sense because this guy firmly believes in Astrology. He also talks about how people should look to their roots (ancestory) to tell what they should be doing in life. He thinks thats my ticket. Ive also been told there is a giant base of some description under the denver airport.

    So ok. I think its a horde of bullshit. I dont know what happened to me but for a number of years now im quite the skeptic. I dont believe in star signs, aliens, auras, etc etc. My ESTj friend basically thinks exactly the same as me. Ive also noticed some INFj's holding some interesting ideas like this (creative ne?). I suppose for an Ne i just dont have an open mind? Im happy to believe that some of it is possible. One problem i have about Conspiracy websites /theorists is they seem to have conspiracys about everything. They must be right that the twin towers were blown up, they must be right that the contrails seen in the sky are actually genetic testing.. He just said something like "i feel sorry for people who see authority as truth rather than truth as authority".

    ISTp's are often a bit rebellious. Can this rebellious nature help them believe that the man is out to get them? This guy got the Zeigiest cd from another guy who im pretty sure is ISTp too lol.

    I know some people like force my hand (if you're ISTp) are as critical as me
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    I do believe the man is out to get me, but what you described sounds like a fat load of horseshit to me.

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    I try to avoid giving definitive opinions on things like that when people bring them up. Privately I tend toward skepticism unless they can give a really, really good case for whatever they're saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I try to avoid giving definitive opinions on things like that when people bring them up. Privately I tend toward skepticism unless they can give a really, really good case for whatever they're saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    I do believe the man is out to get me, but what you described sounds like a fat load of horseshit to me.
    Yeah. I cant believe how many people believe in star signs. It could be all the bongs hes smoked over the years. Like hes a really smart and practical guy tho. Perhaps he needs a hippie style Ne ENFp.

    Quote Originally Posted by minde
    I try to avoid giving definitive opinions on things like that when people bring them up. Privately I tend toward skepticism unless they can give a really, really good case for whatever they're saying.
    Yeah thats a good way to handle it. I seem to be a little more outspoken these days but i definately am not mean in my disagreement im very soft about how i approach it.
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    I'm not sure what quadra I'm in but I love to read and hear about conspiracy theories and strange ideas. I love to entertain them, though I try to be a sensible person so I don't take them too seriously.

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    I think this is kind of related:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikisocion - Ni as demonstrative (8th) function
    He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    I think this is kind of related:
    Hello Hellothere

    Yeah i can certianlly see the fun in these ideas. In movies etc i LOVE them. Interesting about the Ni as demonstrative. Like my INFj friend i think seems a little into this kind of stuff. Actually he has this amazing ability to make them seem plausible. He was telling me how auras are electromagnetic energy once and different levels of health can be seen due to the strength of this energy or something. INTj's seem to be very critical people. Isn't their description the critic lol? Most of them i have seen would probablly dismiss this as silly.

    When i was younger i was very interested in it. I actually frequented a forum called the Astral Pulse. Check it out if you wish its still there. The forum deals with Mediation(i believe thats great), psychic powers, astral projection negative entities etc. I actually used to do things like use Binural Beat programs and try to get my brain into different brain states, alpha, theta etc. I suppose i still believe the theory behind that kind of works. I was also into Lucid dreaming and i must admit i think its 100% true as ive done it! As i got a little older i realised something seemed a little wrong with that forum.

    There were people trying to communicate on the astral plane but it never actually worked. The worst part of it though was people who believe in negative entities. They used to fight them and try to ward them off. The problem is i actually see it as a dangerous past time as these people seemed to feel like they were always under attack. It was making them paranoid. Not to mention some of them probablly had dellusional disorders.

    These things certianlly do spice up life. I hope they are true
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    I know some people like force my hand (if you're ISTp) are as critical as me
    Haha, yeah, unfortunately you got me dialed there!

    It's my belief that by and large the general populace is given a skewed version of reality by the time stories pass both government and media filters, so I'm open to a certain measure of the strange. However, I think that aspect of reality is far removed from the idea that there are powerful cabals operating in secret to keep the population in the dark, be it over the existence of aliens on Earth or cars that can travel 1000km on a litre of gas.

    I've heard stories that, for example, the spread of HIV/AIDS into the human population happened as a result of companies cutting corners with respect to innoculation efforts in Africa where a prescription derived from some species of primate was tainted (I forget the specifics). When you hear about Canada's tainted blood scandal from the 80's, or as a current example, toys and lead paint, that sort of story sounds plausible. What doesn't, however, is the government creating the virus to kill off blacks and/or homosexuals.

    My biggest pet peeve in this regard are the conspiracy theories where some miracle cure/technology exists, but is being suppressed in the name of economic interests. I'm sorry, but the company that holds the cure to cancer (notice it's Cancer(TM), as if there was just one kind) stands to make trillions from it - why the hell would they not release it?

    'Cui bono' - or, 'who benefits'? What possible benefit - short or long term - could the CIA expect to gain from orchestrating 9/11? Especially when there is a plethora of evidence suggesting that there are extremists more than willing to kill themselves for a purely destructive end. I'm sorry, but with Jim Jones and Heaven's Gate, I'm pretty convinced that 9/11 being the actions of religious fruitcakes from the middle east is the likeliest scenario.

    I'll stop ranting now, but I guess the point in all of this is to consider the evidence and really look at it to see if it makes sense. I think our biggest mistake is actually having the faith that those in power are competent enough to pull this shit off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    The two ISTp guys who i know both suggested i watch 911 loose change. They dont know each other. They both seem to thoroughly believe in these things. One of them is now watching Zeigest or something and is talking about how religeon is based on the stars. It makes sense because this guy firmly believes in Astrology. He also talks about how people should look to their roots (ancestory) to tell what they should be doing in life. He thinks thats my ticket. Ive also been told there is a giant base of some description under the denver airport.
    Zeitgeist is one of the best documentaries I've seen to date, and believe me, I've seen quite a lot. Another documentary I would highly recommend is The Corporation.

    Of course they are subject to interpretations, but to say that Zeitgeist is simply another conspiracy theory is ignorant, to say the least. Zeitgeist, like it name implies in german, means "the spirit of an age" and in broad terms what it tries to explain how lies, based on ignorance, have grow to become the central part of our culture.

    So when ISTp are excited about it, it's because they tend to have a great respect for the truth based on facts. And another reason for me to love them
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    Hey Smiling eyes! Haha yep i suppose you could look at it like that. I mean im partially open to the idea that acupuncture releases some healing energy etc. Evidence seems to be showing that the placebo affect is the thing causing it. I agree the power of the mind should not be underestimated!

    Needle in the eye to fix coin purse pain? hmm no thanks =)

    @ force - You certianlly sound like a smart and interesting bloke. I dont know anything about Astronomy but its a facinating subject. Theres a big observatory in the middle of Australia i really must go up there one day. Im still amazed that we can deduce certian things so far away and so long ago. Some very smart people out there.

    Correct me if im wrong though but you said when you were younger your dad saw a couple of Ufo's. Now that you're older you believe that the speed of light cant be broken (which i tend to agree with aswell). So do you think your dad was

    a) Mistaken
    b) just playing with you as he knew how much you loved it?
    c) He did see them?
    d) Ufo = Unidentified objects so perhaps your dad just thought they were weather baloons or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Zeitgeist is one of the best documentaries I've seen to date, and believe me, I've seen quite a lot. Another documentary I would highly recommend is The Corporation.
    Cool. Yeah i didn't mean to bag that particular one because i haven't seen it. I actually tuned out quite quick when he started talking. I might ask him if i can borrow it. Will check out Corporation too

    So when ISTp are excited about it, it's because they tend to have a great respect for the truth based on facts. And another reason for me to love them
    Well to be honest thats what gets my back up. Generally they are quite rational beings. I really think the "facts" of starsigns, 911 conspiracy theories & ancestral dna seem quite dubious to me. "Truth based on fact" seems to remind me more of my ESTj friend who just lke the description wont believe anything that cant be backed up by science.

    That being said i certianlly am not bagging my dual. I lurrve them. Even holding what i think are crazy ideas would not stop me from being friends. ISTp's have amazed me before just with some of the things they have said. They are a diverse group of people each very different from the next
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    I dont know anything about Astrology but its a facinating subject. Theres a big observatory in the middle of Australia i really must go up there one day. Im still amazed that we can deduce certian things so far away and so long ago. Some very smart people out there.
    I think you mean Astronomy :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    I think you mean Astronomy :wink:
    lol. Yep. Glad your here. I type too fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    Correct me if im wrong though but you said when you were younger your dad saw a couple of Ufo's. Now that you're older you believe that the speed of light cant be broken (which i tend to agree with aswell). So do you think your dad was

    a) Mistaken
    b) just playing with you as he knew how much you loved it?
    c) He did see them?
    d) Ufo = Unidentified objects so perhaps your dad just thought they were weather baloons or something?
    There were two objects shaped like rotated teardrops, one slightly in front of the other, with wispy trails trailing behind them as they moved across the sky for about 5-10 seconds before disappearing.

    He can spin a pretty damn good yarn, but in this case he definitely wasn't lying. At the time he mused about experimental government aircraft (he doesn't believe ETs/aliens exist). I'm inclined to think it was some sort of atmospheric sundog conditions, or perhaps some sort of an aurora borealis effect (it was just before sunrise, facing north).

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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    There were two objects shaped like rotated teardrops, one slightly in front of the other, with wispy trails trailing behind them as they moved across the sky for about 5-10 seconds before disappearing.

    He can spin a pretty damn good yarn, but in this case he definitely wasn't lying. At the time he mused about experimental government aircraft (he doesn't believe ETs/aliens exist). I'm inclined to think it was some sort of atmospheric sundog conditions, or perhaps some sort of an aurora borealis effect (it was just before sunrise, facing north).
    Your dad's sighting sounds like Jung's ideas about UFO archetype, how they were teardrop shape.

    I have seen a UFO. Although I would not say it was "aliens", it was like nothing I have ever seen before and whatever technology it was I have never seen before. I was with my friend at the time so I am pretty certain I didn't just imagine it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    So whats your take on conspiracy theories. Other quadras chime in aswell im quite curious about deltas tho.

    The two ISTp guys who i know both suggested i watch 911 loose change. They dont know each other. They both seem to thoroughly believe in these things. One of them is now watching Zeigest or something and is talking about how religeon is based on the stars. It makes sense because this guy firmly believes in Astrology. He also talks about how people should look to their roots (ancestory) to tell what they should be doing in life. He thinks thats my ticket. Ive also been told there is a giant base of some description under the denver airport.

    So ok. I think its a horde of bullshit. I dont know what happened to me but for a number of years now im quite the skeptic. I dont believe in star signs, aliens, auras, etc etc. My ESTj friend basically thinks exactly the same as me. Ive also noticed some INFj's holding some interesting ideas like this (creative ne?). I suppose for an Ne i just dont have an open mind? Im happy to believe that some of it is possible. One problem i have about Conspiracy websites /theorists is they seem to have conspiracys about everything. They must be right that the twin towers were blown up, they must be right that the contrails seen in the sky are actually genetic testing.. He just said something like "i feel sorry for people who see authority as truth rather than truth as authority".

    ISTp's are often a bit rebellious. Can this rebellious nature help them believe that the man is out to get them? This guy got the Zeigiest cd from another guy who im pretty sure is ISTp too lol.

    I know some people like force my hand (if you're ISTp) are as critical as me
    Here is the movie. The part about astronomical cycles and their conncetion to religion about 12 minutes into it is very interesting Check it out before you judge your friend

    http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
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