Oh My God, What The Fuck?!?!

[Gilly]

?_? Missed me with that one.

[UDP]

Also, I don't think you have Fi-PoLR - just undervalued. In fact, in your badinage with Diana and Discojoe in the past, I might have even said there was evidence of pretty strong Fi, even.

Hmm, well done - word of the day:

badinage 

n.

Light, playful banter.

[French, from badin, joker, from Provençal badar, to gape, from Latin *batāre.]

[xyz]

I'd do Gilly.

[Gilly]

He resembles Fabio, I think.

HMMMMMM

[Gilly]

I know some of them too. They're just very, very different from you.

Oh well, I'll step out of this thread before I pretend to know more about you then I do. For all I know, you could very well just be a very, very(, very) strange SLE.

Well, I can safely assure you than I am indeed very, very, very strange, SLE or not

[Ezra]

tereg:

http://www.scaryforkids.com/wheres-waldo/

or this one LOL:

[tereg]

Yeah, I immediately thought of that one for the German energy drink where it's just this nice little silver sedan driving around the beautiful German country side, and all of a sudden, WHAM, ZOMBIE IN YO FACE BITCH!

I know exactly the one you're talking about.



And when I first saw it (whenever it was), it scared the crap out of me.

Yeah, I would relate the experience of watching one of these (in a more prolonged experience) to watching I Am Legend or The Ring. It's like I'm holding my breath for 2 hours.

Yeah, these kind of things really get me good if I'm not expecting it though.

Ezra: I didn't really want to watch that vid, lol. I just skipped ahead to the scream part with the volume down. Ok, watch the whole vid. Ahhhhh, ha ha ha... ha.

[Animal]

Well, I can safely assure you than I am indeed very, very, very strange, SLE or not

True. You're a very strange anything indeed.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

No, it's not convincing. What kind of leadership? It's in a social group, might it be Fe leadership? Could it be Ne leadership, providing the ideas and energy for the group? It's really silly to assume that "leadership" makes him SLE. Why would you believe that?

Also, any of his knowledge of socionics will be manipulated, so that's besides the point in his self-typing. He admitted (I believe in this very thread) that he compulsively lies, and usually gets away with it. In other words he has told everyone that he is completely untrustworthy, and yet still people trust him. His type is rather besides the point, as he knows he can convince many that he is any type he wants to be.

It's the fact that I direct the group in general and hold a lot of sway over what we do; I'm rarely the one saying "Hey, let's go do this!" More often I play the role of organizer, finding other people, pooling resources, figuring out how we'll get there...basically getting shit together and making it all actually happen. If it weren't for me, some of my friends very well might be the lazy stoners that you try to lump me in with.

I never said anything about COMPULSIVE lying, you twisted bitch Yeah, I lie, and I get away with it, but, well, firstly, AS I SAID, I've been trying to cut back on that in the past couple of years. Secondly, I don't see why I would be lying about myself when I'm trying to find my type. You really think I just want to project this image of being SLE, don't you? And furthermore, you think I'd be dumb enough to talk about the fact that I used to have a lying problem if I was still doing it right here on this forum? Well, sorry, you haven't got the faintest idea what I'm about, Diana. I have legitimate reason to think that I could be SLE, and no solid reason to think that any other type is more likely. Please stay out of my thread; you are not wanted, you are not needed, and you are only going to turn this into an argument.

PS, I fucked another Victim last night.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[implied]

regarding the comment that diana made that gilly quoted (above me) -- oddly, i was thinking something similar, diana. what does it matter if he's SLE or ILE or EIE? he obviously is confident in his ability to lie, present information inaccurately, twist it however he pleases. he also states his opinion quite confidently and has plenty ability to sway opinions, imo. so basically we'll never go anywhere anyway with his type (although i maintain that EIE is not a bad suggestion. he can pretty much portray himself as any type that he wants to be.)

that's partially why i don't really even attempt to argue with gilly. bad for the blood pressure.

[Gilly]

Looks like compulsive lying to me. So, go ahead and continue calling me a "twisted bitch". Yes, I do know what you're about, and do know that you are not trustworthy. And yes I believe you want to be an SLE. The "I fucked another victim" and your discussion of how you told the friend of the first girl you slept with that she needed to do kegels, and told the girl herself she "wasn't pleasing you" makes me wonder if you have any sense of decency whatsoever. Yes, you certainly are "severely mentally ill" as you said yourself. And no, I won't say anything more to you here or elsewhere. I've dealt with enough crazy people to last a lifetime already. *ignore-on* I only responded here to try to get through to other people, but damn, you're right, you ARE good at manipulation.

Rofl. The fact that I find it easy to lie does not mean that I'm lying now. What's my motive, Diana? Why would I lie? I really can't say much to you (or apparently you either, Maria; not sure when you tagged on to this delusion that I just "want" to be SLE...you really think I "wanted" to be ILE before? And IEI before that?) because you think you're in my head, and you're just not.

The kegel thing was partially a joke between the other girl and I; note the laughing face on that message. If you MUST know, I never told the girl she wasn't pleasing me until she herself realized I hadn't nutted in the condom; I was trying to be nice about it because I liked her a lot and I enjoyed pleasing her.

And, yes, I can understand that it's frustrating to argue with me but really, I dunno, I guess it's just a test for anyone else who thinks he/she can prove me wrong, because I'm pretty sure I'm right. The only way you're going to be able to prove me wrong is if I am actually wrong, and you come up with the real thing and can show it to me

[inumbra]

No, it's not convincing. What kind of leadership? It's in a social group, might it be Fe leadership? Could it be Ne leadership, providing the ideas and energy for the group? It's really silly to assume that "leadership" makes him SLE. Why would you believe that?

Also, any of his knowledge of socionics will be manipulated, so that's besides the point in his self-typing.

Yes, good points. I have heard you. Part of this was why I put "for now" in my initial post. There are definitely different forms of leadership. All that aside, I'm actually not an easy person to manipulate. I do often have moments where I say "close enough" and then go back to waiting. I stay in grey areas, perhaps too much.

[Gilly]

I addressed that question on the last page. Does that not sound like Se leadership to you, Loki?

So genuine of you, Diana, tapping into people's fears of being manipulated, even when I've been open and honest about such tendencies in myself, and don't have any motivation for doing so here. I'm not saying you are, because I know you're a paranoid little cunt, and I acknowledge that you may really, truly think that I'm just trying to fuck with people's heads, but you have a veryclear possible motive here: you've shown an obvious dislike for me everywhere you go, and do your best to contradict me whenever given the chance. So who's the more likely manipulator here?

[inumbra]

I am not getting caught in the middle of this.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Angel von Himmel]

Well, you know what I was going to stay out of this, but since I only just got a bazillion report posts about this thread and how diana and gilly are going at it, I figured I would interject something here. What I see here is diana attacking gilligan, saying he is mentally ill and blah blah blah blah blah. What is the point ... ? Seriously. Just stop or take it to pm or something.

Thread close ...

On a further note I see this as some sort of versus conflict ... people have a tendency to accuse people of being manipulative liars without any real justification other than their own subjective observation.

In any case I am getting complaints and therefore the thread is closed.

[Angel von Himmel]

I am installing a thread kicker and when I do [in a day or two] I am reopening this thread. In the mean time please everyone cease from saying anything more to gilligan openly [on the forum] about what he says in this forum about whatever he said no matter whether he really said it or not and whether it is true or false. It sounds condescending and offensive to everyone who reads it and I have already received multiple complaints about the issue. Thanks.

[Angel von Himmel]

Thread reopened on account of having installed a thread kicker.

[aestrivex]

a thread kicker is not a good idea.

[Angel von Himmel]

a thread kicker is not a good idea.

Maybe not, but it is a better idea and I am all for better ideas.

[UDP]

What is a thread kicker?

[Angel von Himmel]

What is a thread kicker?

Instead of closing the whole thread it allows a moderator or the thread starter to have the option to kick an abusive user out of one thread so he or she can not post in it.

[UDP]

I am installing a thread kicker and when I do [in a day or two] I am reopening this thread. In the mean time please everyone cease from saying anything more to gilligan openly [on the forum] about what he says in this forum about whatever he said no matter whether he really said it or not and whether it is true or false. It sounds condescending and offensive to everyone who reads it and I have already received multiple complaints about the issue. Thanks.

Yeah, so does this:

"I'm not saying you are, because I know you're a paranoid little cunt,"


Could you please clarify what you were trying to say in that post that I quoted McNew?
Also, what complaints have you gotten, and who from? I'd like to understand what people are saying, and why. Perhaps you can pm me, if you think that is more appropriate.



PS: "abusive user" - who would that be, in this case?

[Angel von Himmel]

Yeah, so does this:

"I'm not saying you are, because I know you're a paranoid little cunt,"


Could you please clarify what you were trying to say in that post that I quoted McNew?
Also, what complaints have you gotten, and who from? I'd like to understand what people are saying, and why. Perhaps you can pm me, if you think that is more appropriate.

PS: "abusive user" - who would that be, in this case?

That would be both gilligan and diana towards each other obviously. It all seemed to have started from a statement gilligan made so I am pretty much cutting to the quick here when I say people should stop making comments about it.

I had a few multiple complaints that generally pointed out that both of them were being condecending towards one another.

[UDP]

ah, understood

[Gilly]

The title of this thread has become infinitely more appropriate since page 10.

You may now return to clamoring all over one another in order to VI me in relative peace.

[implied]

you v.i. a bit like andy kaufman. but it could be your very animated face throwing me off.

[Gilly]

Heh...I'm fairly convinced that my face is only animated when I actively animate it.

[Expat]

I'm not sure what to think or what to say really. What is most clear - "beyond doubt" - is that you are of a quadra. Apart from your own self-perceptions, previously I had seen no particular reason to question your previous self-typing as ILE.

As we already discussed, I saw no reason to see you as SLE when we met; but you gave reasonable explanations for that, so that basically nullifies that really.

Your approach to puzzles me, despite your self-perception I'm not sure it is a PoLR. You seem to understand it but at the same time a bit intimidated or scared by it, particularly when you know that others value it.

Since I understand (and sort of agree with) with the arguments for SLE and against it in favor of ILE, perhaps "splitting the difference" and go for EIE would make the most sense. I think IEI is very unlikely.

This is not a vote for EIE, though; I'm just pointing out where I am at the moment, FTR and FWIW.

[Gilly]

I'm confused as to what these arguments that point to ILE>SLE are.

[Hitta]

hmm, the video interested me, though I will say, I think people have misinterpreted betas(which you definitely are in my view). Let me ask you, what do you think about novelty, do you outright try to be different by doing things that are odd, or do you do things and try to be unique with what you do?

[Gilly]

Uhhh...I have no idea

Is this process/result or something?

[Hitta]

hmm, the video interested me, though I will say, I think people have misinterpreted betas(which you definitely are in my view). Let me ask you, what do you think about novelty, do you outright try to be different by doing things that are odd, or do you do things and try to be unique with what you do?

Has to do with whether or not ur ESTp or INFp. I don't know you well enough to make the decision.

[Gilly]

Put it this way, I wrote the Wikisocion description of Fi PoLR based on myself.

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...ILE_and_SLE.29