Oh My God, What The Fuck?!?!

[Gilly]

Now I see the similarities.

Between...

[Ezra]

Between...

Your face and mine. Yours is thinner, though.

[Animal]

Don't kill me, but I actually am seeing ENFj>ESTp from this. There's just a level of comfort with Fe and a certain plasticity of persona here that I've never seen in an ESTp before. Also you remind me of an ENFj I've known since middle school.

Then again it could be the drugs. But I've seen an ESTp on crack, too, and even he seemed less... Gilly.

[implied]

Don't kill me, but I actually am seeing ENFj>ESTp from this. There's just a level of comfort with Fe and a certain plasticity of persona here that I've never seen in an ESTp before. Also you remind me of an ENFj I've known since middle school.

Then again it could be the drugs. But I've seen an ESTp on crack, too, and even he seemed less... Gilly.

gilly also reminds me of an ENFj i know. a lot. except i keep hearing everyone type these people as ENTps and i start doubting a bit. i think my definition of what an ENFj is more closely matches what rick would consider ENFj (i.e. GILLY.)

[Gilly]

EIE is more likely than ILE, IMO, but I'd have a hard time seeing LSI as my dual. I really don't think I have Si PoLR; I generally do fine with aesthetics and taking care of myself physically. Fi PoLR makes a lot more sense. And it would take a lot of restructuring my idea of what a Victim is to be able to see myself as one; the way I see them now, there's no way at all.

[Gilly]

Mas videos.

The Wookie, another one of my best impressions:



Some kind of strange bird noise that I make all the time (especially when I'm alone and feeling crazy):



For the Princess Bride fans in the house:

[Animal]

EIE is more likely than ILE, IMO, but I'd have a hard time seeing LSI as my dual.

Well, how many female LSIs have you been with before? Ti/Se gets a really bad rap around here as this obnoxious, bull-headed combination. But really, they can actually be quite obliging people. The female ones can be really playful and charming.

I seriously can't get over how much of an EIE vibe I'm getting from these videos. Honestly, Gilly, you look like you need an LSI to give you a good whack upside the head.

[Expat]

The female ones can be really playful and charming.

I agree with that, fwiw.

[implied]

he reminds me of a guy who i had typed as INFp (ENFj is just as if not more likely.) i was about to say, i could see an ISTj woman as being really good for him in the whole positivist sense hah.

[Gilly]

I've never dated or had sex with a female LSI, but I can't say I'm at all interested in the ones I know. Clearly I don't have a very bad opinion of Ti and Se, or else I would hardly call them my ego functions

I'm just not a submissive person at all. I hate having people tell me what to do. I don't like it when others try to organize my shit for me, or really do much of anything for me at all; I see it as an insult. It's like them telling me they don't think I can handle it on my own, which is ridiculous; I've never met a tough time or obstacle in my life that I haven't been able to get past on my own two feet. Sometimes I get depressed and think that maybe things aren't going to turn out for the best, but I use what I've got and in the end I always find a way.

[Gilly]

Eeeuugh, Hillary Clinton as my dual...*shudder*

[Animal]

I really don't think I have Si PoLR; I generally do fine with aesthetics and taking care of myself physically.

One word: Drogas. Muchas, muchas drogas. Your definition of "taking care of yourself" is stretching it a little. And yes, I know Si-dominants can often be the definition of hedonism, but then drugs become a pervasive part of their identity in a way I haven't seen in you. (But of course, I haven't met you irl, and am just going off of what you've posted.)

Fi PoLR makes a lot more sense. And it would take a lot of restructuring my idea of what a Victim is to be able to see myself as one; the way I see them now, there's no way at all.

The way you describe it, honestly, your conception of "Victim" does actually seem slightly off to me. Also, I don't think you have Fi-PoLR - just undervalued. In fact, in your badinage with Diana and Discojoe in the past, I might have even said there was evidence of pretty strong Fi, even.

[implied]

One word: Drogas. Muchas, muchas drogas. Your definition of "taking care of yourself" is stretching it a little. And yes, I know Si-dominants can often be the definition of hedonism, but then drugs become a pervasive part of their identity in a way I haven't seen in you. (But of course, I haven't met you irl, and am just going off of what you've posted.)

brilliant. those are the same issues with the guy i typed as INFp. i suppose ENFj makes more sense in the sort of Si polr sense. this guy eats tons and tons of drugs -- both prescription and non. has issues with depression & is bipolar. and oddly needs me to give him clear instructions on things like how to operate random programs he downloads. i found this odd for a logical type, but then -- what do i know?

[Minde]

This thread, particularly the videos, makes me think I would not enjoy being around Gilly. It's disturbing to me in a similar way that masks and mascots are.

No offense, Gilly.

[implied]

This thread, particularly the videos, makes me think I would not enjoy being around Gilly. It's disturbing to me in a similar way that masks and mascots are.

No offense, Gilly.

fwiw i can't decide whether i'm mildly excited to meet him now or scared to death.

[Gilly]

One word: Drogas. Muchas, muchas drogas. Your definition of "taking care of yourself" is stretching it a little. And yes, I know Si-dominants can often be the definition of hedonism, but then drugs become a pervasive part of their identity in a way I haven't seen in you. (But of course, I haven't met you irl, and am just going off of what you've posted.)

I've never taken "too much" of any drug, with the exception of alcohol, and only during pledgeship. I know my limits very well. I mentioned in another thread that I just pulled myself out of a coke habit (for like, the 3rd or 4th time; some Ni I've got ) towards the end of this last semester.

And, heh, drugs are indeed a pervasive part of my identity, whether it be taking or selling them; you'd certainly be aware of this if you knew me.

As far as other things go, I know how to eat well just fine, and can easily tell myself to do it if I feel like I've been slipping; I don't go out of my way to eat SUPER HEALTHY EVERY DAY, but I do make a point of telling myself "Hey, it's been a while, you should probably eat salad and a sandwich instead of hamburgers and fries." Not a big deal.

The way you describe it, honestly, your conception of "Victim" does actually seem slightly off to me. Also, I don't think you have Fi-PoLR - just undervalued.

I'm more than willing to consider EIE if you explain to me how you think my perception on the matter is skewed.

Fi PoLR is one of the things I'm most sure of about myself. I have a really hard time interpreting my relations with people sometimes. I also struggle a lot when I talk to people I don't see on a regular basis; I "forget" the kind of voice I'm supposed to use, how I normally relate to them, sometimes even things we have in common or have done together in the past, etc...it's REALLY embarrassing sometimes. I've definitely lost contact with multiple people I did, at one point, consider close friends, not because I didn't know how to contact them, but just because they weren't in "my world," so I unwittingly dropped my emotional attachment to them and pretty much forgot about them.

Also, I just reconfirmed myself as a sure-fire enneagram 7w8 today; I'm not sure that's a type that's easily reconcilable with EIE.

[Gilly]

[Minde]

Didn't help...


EDIT: And it's "-eh" not "-ee"

[implied]

*waits for pole dance*

[Gilly]

[Gilly]

[Gilly]

Alright, enough of the funny stuff. For real typing purposes...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vUgQBIe_Qg8

[Gilly]

If you really knew your limits, would you be getting into a coke habit to begin with? I'm not saying SLEs can't become drug addicts. They definitely can and do. But I just don't think the fact that you think you have your hedonistic tendencies under control is any indication that you don't have a Si-PoLR. (Of course, then I'd have to prove to you why it indicates that you do have Si-PoLR, but I can only go off of what you've given us.)

Yeah, I would, because I've quit it multiple times, and I know I can do it again if I have to.

This is not "Victim" erotic attitude. In fact, I find it highly insulting to be considered "submissive" or needing to "have people tell me what to do" or have others "organize my shit for me or really do much of anything at all." This is not an erotic attitude. It's incompetence, and I can scarce imagine it fitting myself or any healthy ENFj or ENTj I have ever met. In fact it kind of repulses me.

Then I am intruiged. Tell me what you think being a Victim means.

What you're describing does indeed sound like Fi-PoLR, but I can also imagine an ENFj with past social troubles feeling this way, too. In fact, I could actually see this sort of thing preoccupying an EIE much more than an SLE outside of romantic relationships. I find SLEs tend to go through period of being preoccupied with their PoLR, but eventually learn not even to bother with it as much around their dual and identicals.

I wouldn't say it really preoccupies me, except when it happens and for a short while after. Then I forget about it. Which is part of the problem

[Animal]

Wow... watching the "serious" video... your normal speaking voice sounds totally different than what I expected, lol. Much more chill and friendly... (with a little bit of New England sing-songy dulcet tones). I honestly am still seeing an intuitive type and by just that video, ENFj or ENTp. Leaning more towards the latter now, actually. I think you'd make a good actor. And I once heard a lawyer say that the law profession is made almost entirely up of would-be actors.

[inumbra]

I think you value but aren't ethical.

Why are you leading and not leading according to your recent thinking?

I agree you're one or the other.

I can't tell which.

[Animal]

Then I am intruiged. Tell me what you think being a Victim means.

Victim-attitude for me, one really extends as far as an ardent devotion to your love in a sort of archetypal/Romantic (with a capital-R) way. IMO, a healthy relationship between any types is autonomy on both ends with little to no "dependency." I don't think "Infantiles" want to be babied, either. IME, they just want someone to go out of their way to "devote" themselves to their well-being in a more physical sense than emotional.

[Gilly]

Thanks, I've actually always thought that I would've loved to pursue acting in another life. I'm a horribly good liar (and I say "horribly" very intentionally; it's hard to stop myself sometimes when I know I can manipulate people fairly easily) as well; it's gotten me into a lot of trouble (although not nearly as much as it should have ).

[Gilly]

@Loki: I can't see a valuing type actively pursuing leadership roles the way I do. Whenever I'm in a small group of my peers, I'm always inclined to take the lead and "direct traffic," as I say: I like telling people what to do and seeing it done. I'm not really big on forcing stuff on people unless it's for a very specific reason, because I hate bullies in general and loathe seeing myself as one (even though it's a role I'm compensatorily tempted to lapse into sometimes), but if it has to happen, hey, it has to happen, and when there's a reason for it, I like making it happen.

Also just in terms of social roles, I tend to play the "front man": I guess you could say I've been the leader in almost every social circle I've been a part of (at least the ones where I'm in the upper-range of ages), and I've always said that my ideal career would be the lead singer in a band.

[Animal]

and I've always said that my ideal career would be the lead singer in a band.

Oh I agree. Like Bono or Matt Bellamy or Freddie Mercury.

[XoX]

why do I always associate you with this guy when I see your video

[Gilly]

@Auvi: I really can't identify with any desire to devote myself to someone else; I'm way too egocentric for that. I want someone to devote herself to me, and I don't want her fussing around with all my shit or trying to force cough medicine on me. I'm a pretty private person because, well, honestly, because I'm a sketchy person, and I don't want people getting themselves in my business, so having someone going through my shit when I might be keeping something a secret (not necessarily because of any BAD thing it might mean; just because I like to be private) is NOT something I'm interested in; I'll do it for myself, than you very much. I take care of my health just fine; I know how to eat and take care of my body, and there are plenty of SLEs out there who are into drugs way worse than I am. Trust me, I know some of them; one of them has been to rehab, and for a drug that I have no problem moderating myself with.

[Gilly]

Oh I agree. Like Bono or Matt Bellamy or Freddie Mercury.

Nah.

[inumbra]

Victim-attitude for me, one really extends as far as an ardent devotion to your love in a sort of archetypal/Romantic (with a capital-R) way. IMO, a healthy relationship between any types is autonomy on both ends with little to no "dependency." I don't think "Infantiles" want to be babied, either. IME, they just want someone to go out of their way to "devote" themselves to their well-being in a more physical sense than emotional.

I really like this perspective.

[implied]

Nah.

you two favor a bit.

[Gilly]

I'd like to think so, but I have to say, I share neither his sexual openness nor his love of thigh-high brown panty hoes

[Gilly]

why do I always associate you with this guy when I see your video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0GuglxtXA

I dunno but I'm glad because he's funny as shit

[implied]

I'd like to think so, but I have to say, I share neither his sexual openness nor his love of thigh-high brown panty hoes

WELL YOU KNOW I'M DISAPPOINTED.

[inumbra]

@Loki: I can't see a valuing type actively pursuing leadership roles the way I do. Whenever I'm in a small group of my peers, I'm always inclined to take the lead and "direct traffic," as I say: I like telling people what to do and seeing it done. I'm not really big on forcing stuff on people unless it's for a very specific reason, because I hate bullies in general and loathe seeing myself as one (even though it's a role I'm compensatorily tempted to lapse into sometimes), but if it has to happen, hey, it has to happen, and when there's a reason for it, I like making it happen.

Also just in terms of social roles, I tend to play the "front man": I guess you could say I've been the leader in almost every social circle I've been a part of (at least the ones where I'm in the upper-range of ages), and I've always said that my ideal career would be the lead singer in a band.

This is convincing. I am convinced. Mostly. Plus you do have sufficient knowledge to type yourself anyway I think.

[Gilly]

WELL YOU KNOW I'M DISAPPOINTED.

FINE, YOU BUY 'EM, I'LL WEAR 'EM

BUT I'M NOT MAKING OUT WITH HKKMR

[Park]

Shut up, Mika!