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    what are L & M?
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    what are L & M?
    LMNOP
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    which types are supposed to "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved"? And that bit later in the same question about "social norms"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    which types are supposed to "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved"? And that bit later in the same question about "social norms"?
    I agree with Joy that the exact wording of the questions should be improved. E.g. questions 2 and 3 do not properly differentiate ISFp and ESFj. Many of the questions 12+ are way too long and hard to grasp.

    But I really like the framework. It is just that the wording of the questions need to be refined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    which types are supposed to "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved"? And that bit later in the same question about "social norms"?
    LSI.

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    within the results section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    there is no L & M there, what are you talking about?
    maybe there isn't. at any rate it gave me NT/gamma.
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    I really don't understand these tests at all.

    Anyhow, here's a screendump. Perhaps you can decipher it for me.


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    Is there a non excel version of this test?

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    It gives me Alpha NT

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I really don't understand these tests at all.
    What do you mean? The concept (matching your answers to what model A says the different types should be strong in and value) seems pretty clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    what are L & M?
    i didn't quite grasp the question..
    She's referring to columns L & M. What do they refer to.

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    What does "creating comfort for productive work" mean?
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibliophile8 View Post
    What does "creating comfort for productive work" mean?
    Looking around and cleaning your stuff so you could have better access to your recourses, heating up the place if it's too cold, eating something before a long session of work and so on. You know, so that while you are doing something you can do it with relative ease, comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegledmaca View Post
    Looking around and cleaning your stuff so you could have better access to your recourses, heating up the place if it's too cold, eating something before a long session of work and so on. You know, so that while you are doing something you can do it with relative ease, comfort.
    So it refers to Si.
    type #33
    but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)

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    It's why you have a mana bar, not a rage bar.

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    Dee, if ESI's were anything like your question makes them sound, they would not be the dual of LIE's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Dee, if ESI's were anything like your question makes them sound, they would not be the dual of LIE's.
    *nod in agreement*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mea View Post
    *nod in agreement*
    I think Gamma types should refine the questions concerning Gamma as Dee probably cannot properly grasp their mindset (being an Alpha SF) and assumes false motivations to them.

    The idea of the test, how the test is structured, how it calculates the score, how short it is and how easy it is to use make it a good template for a test.

    Perhaps member of each type should write their own ego-block description to make other people of that type "get it" better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX View Post
    I think Gamma types should refine the questions concerning Gamma as Dee probably cannot properly grasp their mindset (being an Alpha SF) and assumes false motivations to them.

    The idea of the test, how the test is structured, how it calculates the score, how short it is and how easy it is to use make it a good template for a test.

    Perhaps member of each type should write their own ego-block description to make other people of that type "get it" better.
    is he not just taking this stuff from descriptions, though? honestly it sounds like he just copied it from russian translations or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    not really, but i i've synthesized information i know on the egos of types.
    perhaps you should, then? you know, stand on the shoulders of giants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    you people have a poor understanding of type, sorry.
    Seriously, why are u getting so defensive?

    Fi is FAR from what you said on your test. social norms? Se & Fi? I don't think so. Fi is more of an Fi type's OWN code of ethics. I'm not making a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to help.

    Forget it. If you just insist on being stubborn, take it as you have the best understand of type and the rest of us are poor at it.

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    this test is shit.

    it gave me ILE and LIE as tied results. the Fi, Se, and Ni descriptions were truly abysmal. Si (especially delta Si) made no sense, most of the Te descriptions were overly confusing and poorly worded, the Ti descriptions were vastly incomplete, the Ne descriptions were actually very good in some places but were vastly incomplete in others. i did think that the portrayal of Fe was sort of ok.

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    she's not though
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    Using same answers as the first test again:

    INFj

    9w1 sp/sx

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
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    probably 'cos you are an ENTJ and i'm an ISFP?
    No. I'm no rational type.

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    what's with column J of the current file? The formulas are all over the place:

    ISFp = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
    ESFj = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
    INTj = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
    ENTp = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT

    ENFj = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
    INFp = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
    ESTp = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
    ISTj = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp

    ISTp = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
    ESTj = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
    INFj = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
    ENFp = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp

    ENTj = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
    INTp = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
    ESFp = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
    ISFj = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    you people have a poor understanding of type, sorry.
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    I got INTj =8, ENTp\INFj=6, and INTp=5
    and Alpha =19, Beta =2, Gamma=1, Delta=14

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    isfp alpha alpha sf 0 0 0 -4 -4 -6 -4
    esfj alpha alpha sf 0 0 0 -2 -2
    intj alpha alpha nt 1 1 2 0 2 2
    entp alpha alpha nt 0 0 0 0 0
    enfj beta beta nf 0 1 1 1 2 3 3
    infp beta beta nf 0 1 1 0 1
    estp beta beta st 1 1 2 0 2 0
    istj beta beta st 0 0 0 -2 -2
    istp delta delta st 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 6
    estj delta delta st 1 0 1 0 1
    infj delta delta nf 1 1 2 0 2 6
    enfp delta delta nf 1 1 2 2 4
    entj gamma gamma nt 2 2 4 4 8 12 14
    intp gamma gamma nt 1 1 2 2 4
    esfp gamma gamma sf 1 1 2 0 2 2
    isfj gamma gamma sf 0 0 0 0 0
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    Alpha 21
    Beta 2
    Gamma -9
    Delta 8

    isfp 8
    esfj 5
    intj 4
    entp 4
    enfj 0
    infp 4
    estp -2
    istj 0
    istp 0
    estj 4
    infj 4
    enfp 0
    entj -4
    intp -1
    esfp -2
    isfj -2

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    That's a good suggestion.
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    hey dee, in the graph in the new file, what are the different series?

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    hey I think you have some of the formulas the wrong way around

    - like you INTj row refers to the ENTp question and vice versa, your INFp row refers to the ENFj question etc

    but anyway, the quadra/club sums are right, and they give me:

    Gamma NT (11)
    Delta NF, Alpha NT (8)
    ...
    Gamma SF, Alpha SF (-1)
    Beta ST (-4)


    (though I answered 'not sure' to most questions)

    Edit: actually your equations aren't the wrong way around, I was mistaken. The idea of each question is "using creative function in order to fulfill need of base function", right?
    Last edited by hellothere; 01-13-2008 at 05:14 AM. Reason: I was wrong

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    isfp -4
    esfj -4
    intj 5
    entp 7
    enfj -2
    infp -1
    estp 2
    istj -1
    istp 4
    estj 2
    infj 2
    enfp 5
    entj 8
    intp 8
    esfp -1
    isfj -2

    alpha 4
    beta -2
    delta 13
    gamma 13

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    isfp 2
    esfj 0
    intj 4
    entp 3
    enfj -2
    infp -3
    estp 2
    istj 1
    istp 4
    estj 6
    infj 2
    enfp 1
    entj -1
    intp 0
    esfp 1
    isfj 0

    alpha 9
    beta -2
    delta 13
    gamma 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    hey I think you have some of the formulas the wrong way around
    - like you INTj row refers to the ENTp question and vice versa, your INFp row refers to the ENFj question etc
    Is this fixed already? It might be the defining difference in my case.

    Anyways, this test puts me clearly as Alpha NT. In my typing threads I have been singled out as being ENTp, ENFp, INFp and definately irrational. It seems these things together point strongly to ENTp.

    However looking only at the result of this test and my likely enneagram type of 5w6 I cannot rule out INTj either. (INTj and ENTp have equal score but INFj scores way way higher than ESTp)

    Actually, dee, I have been quite suspicious of your interpretation of socionics for quite some time but perhaps things have recently "clicked" in your head as this test looks extremely promising to me. The aspects of this test are very good. It is simple, consistent and differentiates types and quadras exceptionally well. Hard to say about the aspects i.e. does it really match with reality but if you look at the answers of some people also aspects seem promising. Perhaps differentiating mirrors is one potential achilles heel. There are some people, me and tereg included, who might get mirror types mixed up. Or not, cant say yet. Perhaps we are INTj and INFj instead of ENTp and ENFp as the common concensus goes.

    I guess I have to finally admit that I'm not Gamma or INTp and ESFp is not my dual

    isfp 3
    esfj 3
    intj 8
    entp 8
    enfj 7
    infp 4
    estp -3
    istj 4
    istp -2
    estj 1
    infj 6
    enfp -2
    entj 3
    intp 3
    esfp -4
    isfj -4

    alpha 22
    beta 12
    delta 3
    gamma -2

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX View Post
    Is this fixed already? It might be the defining difference in my case.
    Sorry, I edited my post to say that I was mistaken - I just thought the ENFj question sounded more like INFp etc, but then I realised the structure underlying each of the questions (using creative function to realise base function), and it all made sense.

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    Funnily, my wife ended up testing has her mirror (too?). Quadra went right, club went right, but wrong mirror type. I remember Hugo and perhaps some others too having problems with getting the mirrors right. I think in the end Hugo gave up on that and just made his test give both mirror types as an answer (as it is generally not that hard to separate between mirror types using other means. Just in tests it is difficult.)

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    gives me:
    ISFp, INTj, ISTp, ENFp - 12
    ESFj, ENTp, ESTj - 11
    INFj - 10
    ...
    ESTp, INFp - 5
    ESFp, ISFj - 4
    ISTj - 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    do you identify well with ENFP profile?
    not really... less so than the INFj profile - maybe XoX did have a point about mirrors

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