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Last edited by Dee; 02-26-2009 at 02:13 AM.
what are L & M?
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
which types are supposed to "use forceful behavior to ensure traditions are preserved"? And that bit later in the same question about "social norms"?
I agree with Joy that the exact wording of the questions should be improved. E.g. questions 2 and 3 do not properly differentiate ISFp and ESFj. Many of the questions 12+ are way too long and hard to grasp.
But I really like the framework. It is just that the wording of the questions need to be refined.
within the results section.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
I really don't understand these tests at all.
Anyhow, here's a screendump. Perhaps you can decipher it for me.
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Is there a non excel version of this test?
Looking around and cleaning your stuff so you could have better access to your recourses, heating up the place if it's too cold, eating something before a long session of work and so on. You know, so that while you are doing something you can do it with relative ease, comfort.
Dee, if ESI's were anything like your question makes them sound, they would not be the dual of LIE's.
I think Gamma types should refine the questions concerning Gamma as Dee probably cannot properly grasp their mindset (being an Alpha SF) and assumes false motivations to them.
The idea of the test, how the test is structured, how it calculates the score, how short it is and how easy it is to use make it a good template for a test.
Perhaps member of each type should write their own ego-block description to make other people of that type "get it" better.
Seriously, why are u getting so defensive?
Fi is FAR from what you said on your test. social norms? Se & Fi? I don't think so. Fi is more of an Fi type's OWN code of ethics. I'm not making a personal attack on you. I'm just trying to help.
Forget it. If you just insist on being stubborn, take it as you have the best understand of type and the rest of us are poor at it.![]()
this test is shit.
it gave me ILE and LIE as tied results. the Fi, Se, and Ni descriptions were truly abysmal. Si (especially delta Si) made no sense, most of the Te descriptions were overly confusing and poorly worded, the Ti descriptions were vastly incomplete, the Ne descriptions were actually very good in some places but were vastly incomplete in others. i did think that the portrayal of Fe was sort of ok.
she's not though
Using same answers as the first test again:
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INFj
9w1 sp/sx
what's with column J of the current file? The formulas are all over the place:
ISFp = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
ESFj = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
INTj = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
ENTp = how much you value Alpha SF compared to Gamma NT
ENFj = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
INFp = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
ESTp = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
ISTj = how much you value INFp compared to ISTp
ISTp = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
ESTj = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
INFj = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
ENFp = how much you value ESTj compared to INFp
ENTj = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
INTp = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
ESFp = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
ISFj = how much you value INTp compared to ESFj
I got INTj =8, ENTp\INFj=6, and INTp=5
and Alpha =19, Beta =2, Gamma=1, Delta=14
isfp alpha alpha sf 0 0 0 -4 -4 -6 -4
esfj alpha alpha sf 0 0 0 -2 -2
intj alpha alpha nt 1 1 2 0 2 2
entp alpha alpha nt 0 0 0 0 0
enfj beta beta nf 0 1 1 1 2 3 3
infp beta beta nf 0 1 1 0 1
estp beta beta st 1 1 2 0 2 0
istj beta beta st 0 0 0 -2 -2
istp delta delta st 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 6
estj delta delta st 1 0 1 0 1
infj delta delta nf 1 1 2 0 2 6
enfp delta delta nf 1 1 2 2 4
entj gamma gamma nt 2 2 4 4 8 12 14
intp gamma gamma nt 1 1 2 2 4
esfp gamma gamma sf 1 1 2 0 2 2
isfj gamma gamma sf 0 0 0 0 0
Alpha 21
Beta 2
Gamma -9
Delta 8
isfp 8
esfj 5
intj 4
entp 4
enfj 0
infp 4
estp -2
istj 0
istp 0
estj 4
infj 4
enfp 0
entj -4
intp -1
esfp -2
isfj -2
That's a good suggestion.
hey dee, in the graph in the new file, what are the different series?
hey I think you have some of the formulas the wrong way around
- like you INTj row refers to the ENTp question and vice versa, your INFp row refers to the ENFj question etc
but anyway, the quadra/club sums are right, and they give me:
Gamma NT (11)
Delta NF, Alpha NT (8)
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Gamma SF, Alpha SF (-1)
Beta ST (-4)
(though I answered 'not sure' to most questions)
Edit: actually your equations aren't the wrong way around, I was mistaken. The idea of each question is "using creative function in order to fulfill need of base function", right?
Last edited by hellothere; 01-13-2008 at 05:14 AM. Reason: I was wrong
isfp -4
esfj -4
intj 5
entp 7
enfj -2
infp -1
estp 2
istj -1
istp 4
estj 2
infj 2
enfp 5
entj 8
intp 8
esfp -1
isfj -2
alpha 4
beta -2
delta 13
gamma 13
isfp 2
esfj 0
intj 4
entp 3
enfj -2
infp -3
estp 2
istj 1
istp 4
estj 6
infj 2
enfp 1
entj -1
intp 0
esfp 1
isfj 0
alpha 9
beta -2
delta 13
gamma 0
Is this fixed already? It might be the defining difference in my case.
Anyways, this test puts me clearly as Alpha NT. In my typing threads I have been singled out as being ENTp, ENFp, INFp and definately irrational. It seems these things together point strongly to ENTp.
However looking only at the result of this test and my likely enneagram type of 5w6 I cannot rule out INTj either. (INTj and ENTp have equal score but INFj scores way way higher than ESTp)
Actually, dee, I have been quite suspicious of your interpretation of socionics for quite some time but perhaps things have recently "clicked" in your head as this test looks extremely promising to me. Theaspects of this test are very good. It is simple, consistent and differentiates types and quadras exceptionally well. Hard to say about the
aspects i.e. does it really match with reality but if you look at the answers of some people also
aspects seem promising. Perhaps differentiating mirrors is one potential achilles heel. There are some people, me and tereg included, who might get mirror types mixed up. Or not, cant say yet. Perhaps we are INTj and INFj instead of ENTp and ENFp as the common concensus goes.
I guess I have to finally admit that I'm not Gamma or INTp and ESFp is not my dual
isfp 3
esfj 3
intj 8
entp 8
enfj 7
infp 4
estp -3
istj 4
istp -2
estj 1
infj 6
enfp -2
entj 3
intp 3
esfp -4
isfj -4
alpha 22
beta 12
delta 3
gamma -2
Funnily, my wife ended up testing has her mirror (too?). Quadra went right, club went right, but wrong mirror type. I remember Hugo and perhaps some others too having problems with getting the mirrors right. I think in the end Hugo gave up on that and just made his test give both mirror types as an answer (as it is generally not that hard to separate between mirror types using other means. Just in tests it is difficult.)
gives me:
ISFp, INTj, ISTp, ENFp - 12
ESFj, ENTp, ESTj - 11
INFj - 10
...
ESTp, INFp - 5
ESFp, ISFj - 4
ISTj - 3