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  • ILE (ENTp)

    3 1.99%
  • SEI (ISFp)

    3 1.99%
  • ESE (ESFj)

    3 1.99%
  • LII (INTj)

    2 1.32%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    103 68.21%
  • IEI (INFp)

    2 1.32%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    8 5.30%
  • LSI (ISTj)

    2 1.32%
  • SEE (ESFp)

    33 21.85%
  • ILI (INTp)

    2 1.32%
  • LIE (ENTj)

    8 5.30%
  • ESI (ISFj)

    1 0.66%
  • IEE (ENFp)

    2 1.32%
  • SLI (ISTp)

    2 1.32%
  • LSE (ESTj)

    2 1.32%
  • EII (INFj)

    4 2.65%
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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    Your typings also suck. Just sayin.
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    Live now. Watch from beginning. Very emotional Trump.



    Edit: Might have to wait until it is over to watch from beginning. Too bad. The emotional manipulation was high in this one but he has never sounded so sincere and a bit deflated.

    Nvm, it starts a couple minutes past going live image.

    Edit2: I can see how he can convince people to like him one on one from this. I know he is lying about things but I am even affected by this outpouring of feeling.
    Last edited by Aylen; 10-21-2019 at 06:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    Yeah. Why on earth mb T type. Makes like 0.0031 % sense.

    I heard a SLE ponder if Trump is a ESE and it wasn't a terrible idea. Then Sol says EIE and that can't be unseen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Live now. Watch from beginning. Very emotional Trump.



    Edit: Might have to wait until it is over to watch from beginning. Too bad. The emotional manipulation was high in this one but he has never sounded so sincere and a bit deflated.

    Nvm, it starts a couple minutes past going live image.

    Edit2: I can see how he can convince people to like him one on one from this. I know he is lying about things but I am even affected by this outpouring of feeling.
    I really enjoy his *personality*. As far as personality goes its not the boogie man everyone makes it out to be.

    Its all his choices, approaches, sentiments, and decisions that are utter garbage.

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    All this Trump hate is kind of making me sympathetic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoodoo View Post
    All this Trump hate is kind of making me sympathetic...
    You could be under the influence of the underdog effect.

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    Nah, I think I just tend not to trust the crowd. Let's call it Ni.

    edit: or maybe that's the same thing. idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoodoo View Post
    Nah, I think I just tend not to trust the crowd. Let's call it Ni.

    edit: or maybe that's the same thing. idk
    lol

    He does position himself as a victim of the democrats who he thinks have some sort of collective gang mentality. He doesn't even understand The Constitution so he can't fathom why people think he broke laws or violated it. In fairness to him it is probably because he has never read it. Like I said I don't hate him but he was rather deflated in that video. I almost felt bad for him. I just remind myself that he lies to the American people and he wants to be a dictator. The feeling bad for him just melts away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    I heard a SLE ponder if Trump is a ESE and it wasn't a terrible idea. Then Sol says EIE and that can't be unseen.
    Yea EIE thats interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    lol
    I just remind myself that he lies to the American people and he wants to be a dictator. The feeling bad for him just melts away.
    Isnt that pretty much every president. I dont know why ppl keep convincing themselves to hate trump lol. Its like they got brainwashed by their media

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Isnt that pretty much every president. I dont know why ppl keep convincing themselves to hate trump lol. Its like they got brainwashed by their media
    I think they hate what he stands for > the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I think they hate what he stands for > the man.
    Seems to me to be the other way around

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    seems he's not so hated if he won the elections and probs gonna win again, ah

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    who's in the crowd ;]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    seems he's not so hated if he won the elections and probs gonna win again, ah
    Silent majority

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    But it seems not cuz the media is mostly liberal/democratic

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    who's in the crowd ;]
    Oh we all are, oh yes.
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    Uh are you guys American ?

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    Most people I meet dislike Trump, including republicans.

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    I've been reading about Trump's steady approval ratings, and I think he has captured the cult market.

    https://www.theauthoritarians.org/

    https://forge.medium.com/how-to-chan...d-1774681b9369

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/ Looks like his approval ratings are pretty much on par with Obama's at this same point in time. Not all that different from Reagan's or Clinton's ratings overall. Both Bushes had better ratings. Now I have to find out what Carter did that made so many people disapprove of him. . .
    Carter had the misfortune to be president when two things happened. One, the US was just experiencing the oil shock so the economy was bleeding jobs and money. In 1973, the price of oil increased 400%. Imagine the effects of gas prices now rising to $10/gallon, and then in 1979, they again doubled (to a today's price of $20/gallon).

    And two, the Iranians had captured the US Embassy and had kept them hostage for hundreds of days. The US military attempted a rescue mission, but the team had a huge screw-up in the desert on its way there, and simply retreated. This was a direct consequence of the military recruiting a bunch of morons to fill the body quota when fighting the Vietnam war.

    Incidentally, the State department had negotiated the release of the US hostages with the Iranians near the end of Carter's term, but members of the incoming Reagan administration held secret talks with the Iranians and they agreed to keep holding the hostages until Reagan was elected President, so Reagan would get credit for releasing the hostages.

    A President's legacy has little to do with how good a person they are, and a lot to do with luck and how well they can fool the public.

    My personal opinion of Carter was that he was both unlucky and too nice a guy. Reagan was a duplicitous asshole. But Reagan, for all the damage he did, still was not nearly as bad as Bush was or Trump is.
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    Yeah, of course he has a vocal group of haters, he's the president. Maybe the media is primarily liberal, and there's lots in the press against him, but the idea of people being brainwashed (more than normal, with any president), no. I'm sure he'd like you to think so. (Maverick, against the grain, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Yeah, of course he has a vocal group of haters, he's the president. Maybe the media is primarily liberal, and there's lots in the press against him, but the idea of people being brainwashed (more than normal, with any president), no. I'm sure he'd like you to think so. (Maverick, against the grain, etc)
    Weirdly enough, I didn't hate Obama or Jerry Ford or Clinton or Bush I.

    Anyway, the more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that Trump's true believers would qualify as cult members. They have the same mind-set.
    Most researchers have narrowed his base down to white Evangelicals. Coincidence? I think not.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...chment/600376/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    She is a citizen. He helped her become one, way before he became pres, with an "Einstein" visa so people can come to their own conclusion on how that happened when she was working as a model. She was only dating him when she got it. For someone who hates immigration he sure does love marrying immigrants.
    Ok, my previous post may contain traces of alternative facts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Edit2: I can see how he can convince people to like him one on one from this. I know he is lying about things but I am even affected by this outpouring of feeling.
    He received a good training in persuasion... by Obi Wan himself. Obviously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I've been reading about Trump's steady approval ratings, and I think he has captured the cult market.

    https://www.theauthoritarians.org/

    https://forge.medium.com/how-to-chan...d-1774681b9369
    You may be right, but the "opposing" side is just as much of a "cult" as it were. I mean, look at the SJW crowd. It's literally an anti-Christian cult. This guy I'm about to link to may not be an official journalist or anything, and you may not like him personally as he's a Trump Supporter, but damned if his arguments aren't sound:

    https://www.brianniemeier.com/2019/06/a-tale-of-two-cults.html


    https://www.brianniemeier.com/2019/10/yes-actual-cult.html
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    so now you know Trump is the president that Putin has paid for, remake your considerations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    She is a citizen. He helped her become one, way before he became pres, with an "Einstein" visa so people can come to their own conclusion on how that happened when she was working as a model. She was only dating him when she got it. For someone who hates immigration he sure does love marrying immigrants.
    I mean theres a difference between hot model citizens and criminal trash from southern border

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    We should have a council at the border to review potential Mexican immigrants for titties & ass approval
    (And no selling baggies!)

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    The one thing I like about Trump is that he is the gift that keeps on giving.

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    Ho Ho Ho
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    Is it just me, or does this emoji scream Donald Trump

    WHERE IS THE WHISTLEBLOWER

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    There's nothing more terrifying than the probability you might be Trump's supervisee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marep View Post
    There's nothing more terrifying than the probability you might be Trump's supervisee.
    I told my ILI lawyer friend (who knows very little of Socionics) that Trump was very likely his Dual. He sat silently for a few minutes and then replied angrily "You don't know how insulting it is to be told that Trump and I are somehow a good match."

    I haven't seem him that angry in, maybe, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I told my ILI lawyer friend (who knows very little of Socionics) that Trump was very likely his Dual. He sat silently for a few minutes and then replied angrily "You don't know how insulting it is to be told that Trump and I are somehow a good match."

    I haven't seem him that angry in, maybe, forever.
    Hopefully you took the opportunity to tell him that being duals does not guarantee any kind of chemistry, that they will like each other and that they can be indifferent to each other too? Or did you sell him on the duality fantasy without any caveats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Hopefully you took the opportunity to tell him that being duals does not guarantee any kind of chemistry, that they will like each other and that they can be indifferent to each other too? Or did you sell him on the duality fantasy without any caveats?
    ILIs can't be sold on a "duality fantasy without any caveats", anyways.
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    John Kelly, former chief of staff to President Trump, said Saturday he warned the president before he left the White House not to replace him with a “yes man” because it would lead to Trump’s impeachment.

    Kelly also said he believed he could have prevented the current impeachment inquiry against Trump if he had stayed in the job. Kelly said the inquiry could have been avoided if president had surrounded himself with people who could rein in his worst instincts.

    His candid remarks, made during an interview at a political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner, suggests he blames acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and others in the West Wing for not doing more to stop Trump’s behavior.

    “Someone has got to be a guide that tells [the president] that you either have the authority or you don’t, or Mr. President, don’t do it,” Kelly told the Washington Examiner’s Byron York. “Don’t hire someone that will just nod and say, ‘That’s a great idea Mr. President.’ Because you will be impeached.”

    The House Democrats are in the midst of an impeachment inquiry involving Trump’s request to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a phone call to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, a 2020 presidential contender, and his son Hunter Biden.

    Kelly, a retired four-star Marine, has likened his time in the White House to wrestling with a bear every day, according to a person who spoke to him. The person asked not to be identified to speak candidly.

    Kelly and Trump were barely on speaking terms when the former chief of staff left -- after 18 months of sometimes titanic clashes.

    In one of their final conversations, according to a person briefed on the topic, Trump asked Kelly not to write a book -- and Kelly agreed, at least until Trump was out of office.

    During the interview Saturday, Kelly expressed some regret about leaving.

    “That was almost 11 months ago, and I have an awful lot of, to say the least, second thoughts about leaving,” Kelly said. “It pains me to see what’s going on because I believe if I was still there or someone like me was there, he would not be kind of, all over the place.”

    Mulvaney has taken the different approach of letting “Trump be Trump.” The acting chief of staff regularly leaves the West Wing to visit his home in South Carolina, or golf, or attend political events, according to current and former aides.

    But Kelly had his own controversial episodes in the White House, defending the administration’s family separation policy, making false statements about a U.S. congresswoman and mishandling allegations against Rob Porter, the former staff secretary.

    During a second panel discussion, Kelly called Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria a “catastrophically bad idea.”

    “It didn’t happen while I was there — and a couple of other people recently left the administration and then he went with his instinct,” Kelly said.



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    A reporter was interviewing a woman who worked for Trump for many years and asked her how Trump would respond to a particular question he had, and she said that Trump doesn’t respond, he replies.

    Apparently, in order to respond, you actually have to listen to what someone else says.

    This can be seen in his interchanges with reporters regarding his attempt to bribe Ukrainian officials with public money for personal gain. He just keeps repeating the phrase “It was a perfect phone call.” Which does not actually address their questions. It’s like shouting out “My shoes are polished!”

    When you combine his pathological lying with his refusal to hear criticism and his need for public adoration, the picture that emerges is one of a man with a very fragile sense of self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    A reporter was interviewing a woman who worked for Trump for many years and asked her how Trump would respond to a particular question he had, and she said that Trump doesn’t respond, he replies.

    Apparently, in order to respond, you actually have to listen to what someone else says.

    This can be seen in his interchanges with reporters regarding his attempt to bribe Ukrainian officials with public money for personal gain. He just keeps repeating the phrase “It was a perfect phone call.” Which does not actually address their questions. It’s like shouting out “My shoes are polished!”

    When you combine his pathological lying with his refusal to hear criticism and his need for public adoration, the picture that emerges is one of a man with a very fragile sense of self.
    The bolded is type-related. When directly pressured in response to something they said, SEEs will often repeat the same point and refuse to answer further questions. I’m tired, so I can’t think of a functional explanation for this, but it’s an attempt to control the emotional/interpersonal atmosphere through Se. He doesn’t want to give further details, and he isn’t adept enough with Fe or T to evade the subject, so his approach is head-on: how can the reporter call Trump a liar? He can’t; he wasn’t there and didn’t hear it. All he can do is back down.

    As much as the MSM make fun of him or call him incompetent, Trump’s mode of communication is effective 1-on-1, and he’s more intelligent and socially capable than he’s typicaly given credit for — if not in the academic, bookish way that well-off liberal reporter-types are capable of, or willing to, recognize. He made Ted Cruz — an experienced debater — look like an idiot by calling his wife ugly. He baited Warren into taking a DNA test, even though no matter the result, such a test wouldn’t have had a good outcome for Warren — and all but guaranteeing his victory next election should Warren become the Democratic candidate. And when it comes to his gaining the Presidency in the first place: that wasn’t sheer chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inaLim View Post
    Trump is whatever this guy is



    Same guy next to an actual SLE



    He has the same interrupted speech, same facial tics, same body mannerisms, same over the top "BIG ALPHA DOG" cartoonish language, same orange tan addiction. The only difference is Trump was raised by a psycho "man's man" father, hazed in a psycho boarding school as a kid, and modeled his image off 90s NYC real estate & Wall St. sharks, so he selectively expresses emotion to look like a caricature of a SLE businessman. His facial expressions are within his control and if you look at him in interviews he is much more resistant to Fe emotional contagion (ex. IEI doe eyes, infectious smiles) than SLEs.


    Edit: I don't know for sure if Trump is SEE, but the SEE by Stratiyevskaya profile is basically Trump.
    Ok I see it. The guy on the left demonstrates HP cognition in contrast with what the guy on the right is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    Bernie Sanders > Hillary Clinton >>>>>>>>>Trump.

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    Kinda wish you were correct, but you're not. Trump will sadly crush Bernie as, well, he's just too milquetoast and nice. I kinda like that, and I do hope he faces off against Trump as he has more brain cells remaining functional than Biden does but in the end, Trump will still win. It'll be closer with Bernie at the head of the DNC than Biden but the Trumpmeister will still win...

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