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  • ILE (ENTp)

    3 1.75%
  • SEI (ISFp)

    3 1.75%
  • ESE (ESFj)

    3 1.75%
  • LII (INTj)

    2 1.17%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    109 63.74%
  • IEI (INFp)

    2 1.17%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    8 4.68%
  • LSI (ISTj)

    2 1.17%
  • SEE (ESFp)

    45 26.32%
  • ILI (INTp)

    2 1.17%
  • LIE (ENTj)

    8 4.68%
  • ESI (ISFj)

    1 0.58%
  • IEE (ENFp)

    2 1.17%
  • SLI (ISTp)

    3 1.75%
  • LSE (ESTj)

    3 1.75%
  • EII (INFj)

    4 2.34%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I was watching a recent interview about the Republican convention where Trump said the word "unfair" like 10 times in under a minute referring to how he was treated by Cruz. He also said "bad people" more times than I could count in the same interview.... bad people, unfair, bad people, unfair....

    I watched his face as his son spoke very good things about him, after Cruz left him hanging and made him look foolish. Trump looked seriously hurt. He could not even change his own mood to match the speech his son was giving. He couldn't even enjoy it which makes me think now more than ever that Trump is an Fi ego or at the very least Fi valuer.

    He is very focused on his own feelings and he admires Se (true but I admire Ni in others). His Fe might be 4D as a demonstrative function. I have never known an SLE (I know a few) who would show such whiny vulnerability in the public eye. I don't know any that I recall crying about how unfair they were being treated because it shows "weakness". I see that more in ethical types than logical types. The whole "bad people" thing he has going on points more to Fi ego, imo. I am good with him being SEE.

    SLE typings for Trump just doesn't sit right with me. Everything about him contradicts the SLE I know and I just can't reconcile this typing. They are Fi polr so all this Fi I see in Trump doesn't add up. Trump is not logical at all. Anything he says that even hints at being logical is read off a teleprompter. Otherwise you get stuff like "bad people", "unfair" and:

    Trump: "I'm Speaking to Myself" About Foreign Policy, I "Have a Very Good Brain" and "Instinct"



    His "very good brain" is Ti polr, imo. His Fi is "speaking to myself" and his "instinct" is his Se.

    Now he does a press conference where he openly states that he hopes that Russia finds Hillary's emails. WTF, that is such a bad move. Totally illogical and poor strategy. REALLY STUPID STRATEGY based on his emotions, not logic. I know this and I am supposed to be weak in Te and Ti. He has no control over his strong feelings. If he were SLE I can't imagine that his emotions would override his logic. I know it happens but usually in private. Not when trying to achieve such a lofty goal. I just see his weaknesses every time he speaks. He doesn't even try to hide them.


    I am wondering what kind of SLE people here know, irl. This is not SLE.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I have considered EIE for him too and it is not a bad guess but I have been watching him for months and I still think SEE is a better typing and explains why so many want to type him SLE. EIE are smoother and have better control of their emotions, imo. EIE are more "elegant".

    I still feel he values Fi>Fe. You are just typing him based on nonverbal clues. I have watched and listened for months.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    No offense but I do not trust your intuition over my own and you should realize that by now. If you paid attention I think you would notice that Trump does not actually value Fe. He values Fi and his Ni is not very good. He looks for it in other people and he is constantly talking about people who can help him in such matters as foreign policy. He should know this stuff for himself. EIE are much better at it. He makes "predictions", some come true. So what? Lots of people do that. He uses Ne as a role function.





    His Se is not HA like an EIE.



    Trump does not want someone to "stand their ground" against him. He wants to bulldoze them until they submit and if they don't he throws a hissy fit. An EIE who is sure of their opinions is less likely to throw a hissy fit. They are way more persuasive and calculated than Trump is. They are more likely to just look down on you. Not saying all EIE will. Bush makes more sense as an EIE than Trump.
    He knew when to keep his mouth shut and let others handle things he couldn't. NPD Trump says:



    Keep at it. It is good you recognize he is ethical. You are one short step away from SEE. Do not condescend to me. Thanks. <3

    Adding to my previous Trump observations. It occurred to me this morning, while thinking about something unrelated, that Trump could not possibly have 4D Te. It is more likely that his Te is HA and almost as bad as his Ti.

    Extroverted Logic (Te, )

    SEEs are often industrious and can in working situations expend large amounts of effort towards their goals. They may be constantly take proactive action and seek out new information on their topics of interest. They may tend to flaunt the information they gather and may sometimes assume that the knowledge they have accumulated is infallible. They also may jump into attacking a problem with minimal preparation and may in some circumstances fail to acknowledge the futility of their proactive expenditures.

    SEEs often seek out conceptual clarity from others, and may tend to expect others to assist them in accumulating and making sense of the world around them. They may come to be good at mining new information, but they often lack confidence in their ability to collect pertinent information and navigate the outside world with it in mind, especially on unfamiliar topics. They tend to be especially unskilled at analyzing new factual information in an appropriate context. Typically, SEEs feel that it is more important to apply information than to gather and extend it, and they may push what they know to make a concrete impact on others around them. They depend on the guidance of others to forge and refine the applications of their industries.

    Introverted Logic (Ti, )

    SEEs generally exhibit chaotic and uncontrolled lifestyles. They are motivated by their impulses and momentary feelings, and may have difficulty carrying themselves to fulfill day-to-day obligations and responsibilities. To the extent that their external obligations permit it, they tend to be habitually unstructured and vagarious. They do not engage in systematic decision-making and may instead base their behaviors on whimsical desires. They avoid restricting or regimenting their lifestyles based on rational or "common sense" behaviors and can resist attempts to bring order and stability to their lives.

    They may have difficulty following externally imposed rules on their behavior, and may automatically resist being told what to do in matters pertaining to their lifestyle. They may have difficulty adapting their naturally impetuous lifestyle to some situations. Convincing them to change their ways is a gradual, tiresome and often thankless process, best accomplished by persons whose judgment they trust fully.

    SEEs are often inclined to disregard what they see as petty rules and procedures, especially if those require a high investment of time and concentration in order to be understood and implemented, while blocking the SEEs from achieving their goals. If they are suddenly stopped in their tracks by external forces because of a previous disregard for such rules, they can lash out in frustration and impatience, while feeling helpless and angry at having been so sidetracked.

    If dimensional strength is even a thing, his Ti and Te are weak, the way I see it. I am not going into it all again because I already have in this thread. He doesn't even know where the system is truly broken which points away from stronger Ti. In my own head I see all the parts just fall into place and through my own perception I see the whole so clearly. I am not trying to convince anyone since that would be futile. Posting this to keep track of my own realizations.

    Trump: 'I am the most fabulous whiner'



    I can't stand a whiner and that is pretty much all he does. lol





    I don’t understand the comparison of Trump to ******, because every time I look at Trump I see Napoleon. I’ll show you what I mean. This is a fact: Napoleon Bonaparte developed his battle plans in a sandbox. Using this method, he could change his plan of attack with his index finger; he could brush away bad strategies with the palm of his hand. The personality complex that consists of power trips and false machismo that defined Napoleon define Trump.

    “Great ambition is the passion of a great character. Those endowed with it may perform very good or very bad acts. All depends on the principles which direct them.” — Napoleon Bonaparte.

    This is what frightens me about Trump. His principles are bankrupt. He transmits hate. He is a vicious purveyor of fear politics, and he understands a major tenet of Napoleon’s philosophy: “Men are more easily governed through their vices than through their virtues.”
    Trump’s exultation of racism, his open prejudice and his dislike of foreigners have rallied the myopic, fed-up America. Fed up with what? Yikes!

    Here’s a quiz: Who said the following? Napoleon or Trump? “Women are nothing but machines for producing children.” If you guessed “both,” you are correct. Napoleon said, “If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing.” This, too, is Donald Trump. Here’s one that Trump should pin to his lapel: “Public opinion is the thermometer a monarch should constantly consult.”


    "
    Trump isn’t ******. He’s not deep underground with advisers plotting strategy. Trump is Napoleon. He plays in the sandbox all by himself. He builds castles, walls and mountains and puts lots of little plastic Trump-supporter-soldiers everywhere, all upside-down and with their heads stuck in the sand. And then Trump knocks them all down."

    http://www.news-leader.com/story/opi...tler/90816386/


    ^ is rolling over in his grave.




    Ok, I have had my fun.
    Last edited by Aylen; 03-18-2017 at 06:43 PM.

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