apart from the basic Se/Ni and Ne/Si dynamic (aggressive, raw, perverted sex vs. softer, sweeter, slower-building with a streak of tenderness etc.), I'm convinced any preference in terms of fetishes, fantasies, and sexual orientation is absolutely NTR.
in my case strangely enough it's most repelling with Caregivers, not Infantiles. Prolly bcause they already feel set in their ways and think sex should be "done" as they conventionally do it or smth. Infantiles can be more flexible and creative ime.
Yes my attitude and behavior sexually is probably type related, my fantasies as well would appear to fall in line with being type related.
Take all these strings
They call my veins
Wrap them around
Every fucking thing
I think DS function related.Originally Posted by Starfall
Like I get pleasure from giving pleasure. Si-DS.
IEI's I think can be Se-DS in this manner.
Dual seeking function/5th function
For IEI it's
I do 3 positions (missionary, cowgirl and doggy) and try to last long. I have generic fantasies about ripping clothes off and having my way with girls and in my day-to-day life I'm a wussy who keeps his hands to himself too much. I like assertive bitchy females out of necessity but I sometimes look at meek little Ni-IEI girls and wonder what could've been. I'm chauvinistic and I like it when a girl respects me and I'm not above fucking someone up in my fantasies. Socionics is a fluke.
Last edited by suedehead; 05-06-2015 at 08:41 PM.
I've had fantasies of coming onto two of my highschool teachers too. I like really grown women.
I'm of the opinion that current socionics does not do a decent job regarding human behavior;
I do think it does touch on it, but can't explain how some phenomenon occur-
Like, a person may be more apt to behave in a manner, but there seems to be no material dealing with any pathology, mental illness or what do we do with people outside the norm
Perhaps there could be an addendum utilizing a dysfunctions as opposed to the functions introduced into the functional stack;
I kind of think a function can have a dimension of interior, and that pathology could arise in both the interior or exterior of a function, and or the oscillation between them
Tru Dat. I know ten of them. One is my cousin, who attends softball games constantly. Doesn't play, but loves to watch. A second I have pursued, and a third is interested in me, and in both of the latter, whenever they see me move in some semi-coordinated way (I'm a gym rat and am sometimes surprised at how good my eye-hand coordination can be - not bragging, just saying), they both visibly warm up.
But they both also love to be taken to restaurants that are gorgeous inside. It's kind of scary how they react to luxury. It's like catnip to a cat.
So what are you waiting for ...?
exactly. You are not Aggressor ego....not sexually and not psychologically.
Last edited by Amber; 05-07-2015 at 01:21 PM.
I bet that's what you fantasize about, incompetent passive-aggressive little pussy. A Nazi Dominatrix.
You sure need a bitch like that to fuck your ass till you're pushed out of your shitty whining patterns that only won you some Aylen "victim" online so far. Nothing in real life ...coz you're obviously not good in bed, if you didn't keep that only girl you claim you fucked.
Last edited by Amber; 05-07-2015 at 01:11 PM.
Suedehead's Se ego dating profile:
I believe in female domination. I enjoy objectification, bondage and generally being a slave. I am willing to be at your beck and call all hours of the day to rub your feet, clean and cook for you. I do not ask for anything in return other than to be your slave.
Look, you stupid cougar. I don't appreciate you projecting your sick sexual fantasies onto me and I'm surprised that you'd call yourself Se-ego when you choose to go about it so covertly. I've already said that I'm attracted to you and I'd probably make a pass at you if you didn't live in former Yugoslavia.
I know you're attracted to me, but I don't like absolutely anything about you. Physically or personality-wise. I bet you have an estrogen-filled fat ass, narrow shoulders, and generally no force in your limbs.
I have broad shoulders, strong traps, and a lean ectomorphic build. A year ago you told me i was 'fascinating' so cut the bullshit Hilga.
That was Subteigh. I'd never say that to any dude, but I did think that about him.
In two words, an ESI. Of course.
I knew when I wrote that post I should have added that the scary part of seeing how an IEI reacts to luxury is wondering whether they are attracted to the luxury or to me. In my business, the amount of money I have goes up and down. Mostly up, but sometimes down. I take risks, I raid and I rescue, and this means that money flows in and it can also flow out. I'm basically a wolf. I need a stable, equal partner, not someone who values me only for how much money I can supply to them.
The IEI's are entertaining. They are both extremely smart, one is a stunningly beautiful blonde woman from France and the other has a Ph.D in my field. Their ages are right. I really like their Ni, they really like my Se and the fact that I understand them and their mirror neurons very, very well without being obvious about it. But I am their Supervisor, which has been called a relationship of one-sided conflict. I just got out of a relationship like that, and I'm smart enough to know where these other two relationships will eventually end up.
When I first met the French woman, I was immediately attracted to her, but was just beginning to learn about Socionics. I bought some art from her and told her I found her very attractive and wanted to sleep with her. (IEI's sometimes have trouble seeing things in the real world, so you have to spell it out for them.) She replied that she was engaged, and was not attracted to me. Nevertheless, she and I went out for lunch, dinner, coffee and drinks over several months. She showed me his picture, I could see he was an ESTJ, and I knew that she wouldn't be engaged for long.
When he inevitably asked for his ring back, she was depressed for a month, and then told me that liking and loving someone is a decision, and so can be changed. Then, she said to me, “If you don't cook and you don't clean, what can you bring to a relationship?” It is clear that she is reconsidering her initial response to me. That is Fe. I generally like Fe when I see and experience it, but its dependence on external variables scares the hell out of me. Nevertheless, she is intelligent, stunning and entertaining, and I'm having lunch with her today. The Ph.D, tomorrow.
An example: My LSE sister married an IEI. (Conflict.) She makes six figures, he does whatever he wants, which is mostly going on adventures alone, but he doesn't really have a job. This would ordinarily not matter, except for the fact that their marriage exists as long as she keeps the money coming in. When she quit her job for a short time, he suddenly found another woman “friend” who was a lawyer, until my sister got another job. You can read about their marriage here:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
Now, this is not meant to be a criticism of IEI's. As I said, I like them a lot. Certainly enough to sleep with them. Unfortunately, their sex drive is much, much lower than mine, and they tend to prefer imagination to reality. But this paper is a very accurate description of what can go wrong when a person is attracted to their Conflictor, and their Conflictor and their Supervisor both can look an awful lot like their Dual. Especially from a distance, and if you lack a context for understanding relationships.
One of the reasons I joined the16types is that they have the best information. Stratiyevskaya's paper on IEI's and conflict was so spot on, I couldn't help but read her paper on duality between ESI's and LIE's. Her description of LIE's was also dead-on. So, I looked up ISFP's on YouTube, and was immediately struck by the way that most ISFP's came off as, I hope you'll pardon my ignorance and prejudice here, brainless strippers, and I thought that somewhere, someone has made a terrible mistake. They couldn't possibly be my Duals.
Then, I met a female ESI in person, and then I met another, and I completely changed my mind. Personality-wise, they are perfect. But both of them are too young. Or actually, I'm too old for them, although one of them disputes that.
So, to answer your question in more that two words, I'm waiting for an ESI whose numbers are the same as mine. She doesn't need money, she just needs to be intelligent, age-appropriate, interested in something, have her own style and have similar life goals to mine (I'm pretty flexible here*), and otherwise, just be herself. From what I've seen, her ESI-ness will take care of most of the rest.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCfu4JKtop0
When you are doing all these things, I am curious, how do you manage to fit in the time to post massive posts such as this one on a socionics forum?
I type very fast. I also own the company, so the time I spend is only lost opportunity costs. Plus, I basically work half a day, every day. Sometimes it is the first 12 hours, sometimes it is the second 12 hours. (An old joke, I know, but it is still true. I get up, hit the gym, go to work, go to lunch, work, go to dinner, work, then go to sleep. In her paper on LIE's, Stratiyevskaya describes this. And it it true.)
I am highly interested in figuring out the best course of my future actions, so I feel that the time on this forum is well spent. (see the paper by Statiyevskaya for how a LIE feels when he does not have someone at home who cares about him. His work suffers. My customers have noticed this, since my divorce.) My hope is that I can gather additional data from this forum, enough to make more informed choices. My last mistake was very expensive, and I can't do that too many more times. LIE's tend to recruit as needed, and this applies to both employees and to romantic partners. We also have a very high rate of marital satisfaction, which I interpret as meaning that we are not exactly critical when it comes to partners. We make a decision and stick with it, and we don't look back until there is a deal-breaker that can't be negotiated.
I want to make better decisions.
Well, she says she loves him. Personally, I think her money ensures that he'll stick around. My parents did not have good parenting skills, and a conflict relationship is better than what she got from them. When you've never had cake, brussel sprouts seem just fine. We all moved out of the house as soon as we could.
Starfall, I know that. If I thought she was dating for money, I wouldn't be seeing her. I love my INFJ cousin and INFJ aunt and I fell for the French woman, too. I know that their hearts are in the right place. I can clearly see that. And incidentally, I've made exactly zero promises to her. Heck, I don't even give her advice, because A. she doesn't need it, and B. my advice is Te-based, and that is what will hurt her. My ex-wife was my Supervisor, and I still love and like her and admire her, but her Si was a major problem for me, and I just can't live with her. We could understand each other, and we agreed on what we were seeing, but we could not agree on what to do about it, and this caused enormous problems. Supervision is one-sided conflict, and the Supervisor admires the Supervisee, but the Supervisee is constantly harmed in the relationship. This is not a joke, this is not bullshit, this is real, and people who ignore it are either extremely lucky or extremely dense.
Let me just say that the French woman has said she likes me more than the ESTJ. I told her that we would have problems in a long-term relationship (didn't say what they would be), and she would probably like an ESTP even better. I know a couple of them, they are great guys, lots of fun, and I introduced her to one, just as a friend of mine, without telling her anything about his type. She didn't like him. She later told me he had good hands, but he looked like he was high all the time. I told her that that was just because he had a hard time predicting the future, and that's what she does best. I think she values me instead for my persistence and for understanding and respecting her, and for never bullshitting her. Also, I'm not intimidated by her beauty and intelligence, which has severely limited her pool of prospective suitors. When she starts going into panic mode, I just step in and calm her down by being a calm example, since she is a Mirror. (Living with my mother did teach me to be calm when others are not being calm.) But I still think she would do better with a mature ESTP, who can do all of the above and more, just as I think I would do better with a numbers-matching ESI. With an ESI, I don't think I'll have to refrain from using Te.
But, I am still an egg. I could be wrong, although I don't think so. I'm still learning. And I'm still seeing the INFJ, (both of them actually, but I prefer the French woman), but I'm not promising them anything.
(Post Script)
I don't think I fully explained the Fe thing, I really like her Fe, but it is not what I'm expecting to see, deep down inside me. Yes, she seems changeable, but I'm not a jealous type and I can vouch for the fact that she is entirely faithful. I tried pretty hard to sleep with her when she was engaged, but she was an inviolable fortress. I'm talking stone walls twelve feet thick. I didn't touch her until after her fiance took back his ring. I know she is faithful, I have seen it from the other side, but her Fe is not what I'm expecting to see.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 05-07-2015 at 09:58 PM.
I like it when my bf takes the time to enjoy the sensual and sexual nature of sex . You can really sense his Si when he's quiet and just taking things in every once in a while making remarks of pleasurable sensation
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
When we first went out for coffee, the French woman asked me if any of my girlfriends had ever cheated on me. I told her no, even though one might have been considered to have done so (she went out with another guy, no sex) as a desperate plea to keep my attention. I told the French woman that, by the time someone is thinking of cheating, the relationship is in such trouble (usually for lack of communication) that there is no relationship to cheat in.
My female cousin said that she flirts, but it absolutely stops there. I totally believe her. I know ten IEI's, three who are male, and the females all seem to be like this, and so is one of the males, but the two other males look dicier. I don't think they actually cheated, but one looks like he could if it wouldn't hurt his financial situation, and the other is divorced. So, maybe none have technically cheated.
If your boyfriend is secure, he should have no problem with you having male friends. My ex-wife had a few of them, and they never threatened our relationship. Supervision did it in. No one gets all of their needs met by one person, so we need other people, and some of those people may happen to be male.
I don't think you should reduce your chances of being happily with someone only because Augusta thought she could make up for her Fi polr by building a theory of intertype relationships. I can see why you feel more drawn to Fi and Se ...but at the same time your attraction to the other female(s) is also obvious.... so why not. Not really seeing much conflict and supervision in what you say about you and the French. Socionics is a rigid and idealistic model ... ime stuff doesn't really work like that between people. Just saying that avoiding commitment (if that's what you want) to someone you may actually fall for only to respect the theory can be a mistake. I'm sure you also have other criteria for choosing or liking ppl apart from Socionics.
the "brainless stripper" stuff is more like MBTI ISFP ...in Socionics ESI is a more like a moralistic bitch, so who knows. Strati was ESI and she doesn't sound and look like a stripper tbh.
Last edited by Amber; 05-08-2015 at 10:00 AM.
I like perverted but also tender. A kind of 'gentle aggression.' I am not into somebody actually being rough, that is a huge turn off- maybe a fantasy only in my mind.
The right exact mixture of alpha male + vulnerability is very attractive to me.
Dear Adam,
looks like somewhere someone did make a mistake. And I think I know where. If you were really searching for ISFPs on YouTube, you were actually watching the videos of your conflicts SEIs, not ESIs.
They definitely are not your Duals!!!
and it's kind of funny that you perceive SEIs as "brainless strippers", gonna tell my SEI friend, we'll have a good laugh about it
not really ...or not necessarily.
that video he linked vibed Fi ... but still ..in Socionics strippers are kinda SEE and SLE.
No, no. The J/p divide did at first confuse me, but I got past that. On YouTube, I was definitely looking at Myers-Briggs type ISFP, Socionics type ISFj, or ESI. And I didn't think they actually were brainless strippers, it is just that I got that as an initial impression. I wasn't used to their extremely low Te or their extremely high Se. I have since come to appreciate their Fi (because my own ethics are pretty low - when I used to drink, I would sleep with anything female, and sometimes was surprised at where I woke up, and with whom) and their Se, because they have their own, distinctive and attractive styles, that just looks damn good to me.
The two whom I know irl tested as ISFP's, and spending time with them, doing something or not doing something, just makes me happy. Believe me, that doesn't happen with any other type. Most types activate my weapons defense/offense system to some degree or other.
Okay. I now see that you were referring to MBTI typing.
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