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    Okay so I know I said that there were more important things in life to worry about than my type, but I've reverted back to feeling that I should make one last ditch effort to determine it.

    I'll try and make this short since I know most people are put off by long posts. But I want to try and explain how my type journey has evolved to its current state.

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    When I first arrived here (not that long ago), I made a long type thread (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=14732).

    A couple of posters noted that I looked like an INTj. hkkmr though was certain from the outset I was an INFp. Dioklecian suggested INFj, but his reasons were brief. munenori then said that I reminded him of himself, so he suggested an introverted NF type, and since I sounded serious, suggested INFj.

    Eunice suggested I was a Delta type, but no INFj, so she suggested ISTp (later she backed this up by saying I sounded like I had Fe PoLR and I didn’t look infantile).

    >>> Out of all the suggestions so far, I most identified with the INFj descriptions.

    A lot was made of my statements about being on time, and I think hkkmr related this to Ni ego, though others disagreed about this association.

    Kristiina then suggested 3 IP types, and ruled out INFp based on my photos, leaving INTp and ISTp. She ruled out INFj because I said I didn't mind telling people what to do if I felt confident. However niffweed and thehotelambush then chipped in and suggested my post was Fi driven with not much Fe, therefore suggesting INFj.

    Empathy and acceptance of others was another issue, which some associated with Fi while others disagreed.

    Dolphin, an INFp then said she identified with parts of my post and suggest INFp. She also told me to not take the descriptions too seriously because INFps and Beta in general are stereotyped as being more dramatic than is the case.

    Heath and Quirk Satellite Division, then chipped in with INTj and INFj respectively, though neither gave real reasons. Ezra then suggested (again with no reasons), that I was Delta or Gamma. Later he suggested Delta or Alpha, rather than Gamma.

    Sunshine Lively then voted for INFp, because of a general impression she got, and because I didn't vibe her Fi PoLR. Dee suggested ISTp.

    >>> By this stage, 9 pages in, I was starting to seriously consider ISTp, and was still skeptical about INFp, mainly because of the Beta descriptions and the fact I felt INFj fit me better. Ezra also said he saw “no evidence of Beta”.

    Meanwhile, the debate about being on time continued.

    Then, I made a post reviewing my thread so far (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=263100&postcount=99). Out of the blue, the INTj votes flowed in. First Mea, then Gilly, then Bionicgoat, then Heath again, though still no one gave reasons.

    reyn_til_runa then went through my posts in some detail, and seemed to suggest INFp. She asked some questions, which I answered, but these were not followed up (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=263440&postcount=117).

    tereg then was very helpful and summarised my posts into 52 points (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...&postcount=122), to see whether each point could be mapped onto IM elements. By this time, I had read about the hidden agenda on socionics.com, which described that of IxTp as “to love”. I felt some affinity towards this, though dee quite humorously could not see how Fi HA could be summarized by “to love”. dee went through and interpreted tereg’s list but didn’t really reach a conclusion, though he felt I was more delta than alpha.

    Slacker Mom said that based on my first post and tereg’s list, she felt that I valued Si but was not strong in it. She also detected some Ti (but could not pinpoint it) and so suggested INTj. This was when I started to take INTj more seriously. I said something like “I’m definitely not gamma” which was taken as another point towards Alpha.

    tereg then used functional analysis of the list and came up with two types – the Beta NF’s. I realize that he was still somewhat of a newcomer to socionics, but I still feel that his input was valuable and useful. I was sure I did not have Fe as base function, though Fe-creative was more plausible. And I still didn’t think that I valued Se/Ni over Si/Ne. Taking these sentiments into account, tereg revised his conclusions and arrived at the two Alpha NT’s.

    By now I felt some internal pressure to conclude the thread, and all the evidence seemed to pointed to LII.

    However then two late calls came in – INFj from HollywoodWanderer and INFp-Ni from Wittmont. HW said I looked like an IJ type but was too “affable and gregarious” to be an LII. I also told Wittmont that I didn’t identify with the Ni-base descriptions. LII it was.

    --------------- time passes --------------

    I posted some descriptions of my friends (edited out). From these, Kristiina felt that I was an INFj, because she couldn’t see an INTj writing such descriptions and valuing the things I said I valued about them. hkkmr still felt I was an INFp, though he admitted he had a “blindspot” for Fi.

    >>> I was back on the INFj track. Or at least delta. I also exchanged some PMs with a member that I was acquainted with in real life, who suggested that from the PMs I sounded more like an INFj than an ISTp.

    -------------- more time passes, the search function was used a lot --------------

    I found one of Expat’s tests – the retirement questions. I answered them (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7447&page=19) and hoped Expat would give me some input, but alas it was not to be. Niffweed however suggested Delta ST. He almost completely ruled out an Ni type because I mentioned the need for an aesthetic environment. To me, it was another point towards Delta.

    -------------- time is relentless ---------------------

    I finally found the guts to post a video of me looking very uncomfortable (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=9481&page=71). From this, reyn was sure I was an IP type, probably INFp. Niffweed, UDP and implied all agreed regarding IEI. ScarlettLux however, said I did not seem Beta to her. Baby said my video was in limbo between an uncomfortable INFj and a can't-be-stuffed INFp. Kamangir and Wittmont still felt I was INFp.

    >>> And hence my current state of confusion. I identify both with INFp and INFj (even though it doesn't make sense), though Expat's Fi/Fe analogy has made me edge slightly away from Fi.

    Unfortunately, this was not as short as I hoped it to be, but hopefully someone has read through and will help me make sense of it all.

    I really appreciate all the people who have tried to help so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    I found one of Expat’s tests – the retirement questions. I answered them (http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7447&page=19) and hoped Expat would give me some input, but alas it was not to be. Niffweed however suggested Delta ST. He almost completely ruled out an Ni type because I mentioned the need for an aesthetic environment. To me, it was another point towards Delta.
    Sorry, I hadn't replied, indeed.

    Analysing your answer there in isolation - without looking at anything else - I would agree with niffweed17 that it's Delta, not sure about Delta ST in particular. Your answers reflect Delta values nicely, although - even if it sounds bizarre - the way you phrased your answer would not make me rule out INFp necessarily (although the other Beta types would be unlikely). I do think that Delta is far more likely.

    I will review the rest later (I will).
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Other forum members: from what you've seen of me around the forum, do you have any opinions to offer?


    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I will review the rest later (I will).
    I was wondering whether you'd got around to this?

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    well i already said what i thought about your type but i really love your post summarizing everything. socionics is totally subjective isn't it?

    ultimately you will have to decide for yourself. things that i think help are looking at the polr in question, looking at the leading function, and looking at your relationships with known types.

    that should nail it down.

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    You have a very good memory for details, but you also seem to have difficulty understanding it all or rather, to draw a definite conclusion without outside help. You have always written well argued, very detailed, and very sensitive posts with your observations of yourself and others, and your interaction with people around you. You so very badly want to understand yourself and people in your surrounding and their attitude towards you, and make sense of things.

    Doesn't this struggle to tie it all together point to Ti Hidden Agenda?
    INFp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Sorry, I hadn't replied, indeed.

    Analysing your answer there in isolation - without looking at anything else - I would agree with niffweed17 that it's Delta, not sure about Delta ST in particular. Your answers reflect Delta values nicely, although - even if it sounds bizarre - the way you phrased your answer would not make me rule out INFp necessarily (although the other Beta types would be unlikely). I do think that Delta is far more likely.

    I will review the rest later (I will).
    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Your signature seems Beta to me.

    I think Vimes might be a very funny sort of ISTj.
    I just thought that Vimes quote was funny and pathetic and endearing all at once.

    I think Quadra values are easy to identify with or adopt in life, because we are still influenced by the people around us and our friends. A person adopting the values of another quadra can be good indicators, but is not necessarily indicative of type.
    I think that's spot on.

    But did you dipping your feet in this river change who you are, or did it just reveal pieces of yourself that you did not know before?
    No, I don't think learning about socionics and coming to this forum has changed who I am. I'm just trying to figure out how "who I am" fits within the socionics framework (and consequently, this socionics community).

    Oh yes, are you going to answer the opposite because of the way I phrased it?
    Not sure what you mean by this?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine Lively View Post
    ultimately you will have to decide for yourself ... and looking at your relationships with known types.

    that should nail it down.
    this is also what Wittmont and dee told me, and I think its true, but I still have trouble assigning types to people I know in real life. Maybe I have to meet some of the forum members who are sure of their type in real life .

    Quote Originally Posted by Wittmont View Post
    You have a very good memory for details, but you also seem to have difficulty understanding it all or rather, to draw a definite conclusion without outside help. You have always written well argued, very detailed, and very sensitive posts with your observations of yourself and others, and your interaction with people around you. You so very badly want to understand yourself and people in your surrounding and their attitude towards you, and make sense of things.

    Doesn't this struggle to tie it all together point to Ti Hidden Agenda?
    It does, but I'm also overly concerned about my health, which I thought pointed to Si Hidden Agenda. But now that I think about it, its kind of stupid, since who isn't concerned about their health?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittmont View Post
    You have a very good memory for details, but you also seem to have difficulty understanding it all or rather, to draw a definite conclusion without outside help. You have always written well argued, very detailed, and very sensitive posts with your observations of yourself and others, and your interaction with people around you. You so very badly want to understand yourself and people in your surrounding and their attitude towards you, and make sense of things.

    Doesn't this struggle to tie it all together point to Ti Hidden Agenda?
    excellent point Wittmont!

    @hellothere: i see what you mean about trying to type people that you know and not knowing exactly what their types are. it's like where do you start. hate to say this, but MBTI is not a bad way since a MBTI result can at least point one in a good overall direction. i know i had fun taking the MBTI with my friends when i first got into this. but then you have to unravel it a little when you try to apply it to socionics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine Lively View Post
    @hellothere: i see what you mean about trying to type people that you know and not knowing exactly what their types are. it's like where do you start. hate to say this, but MBTI is not a bad way since a MBTI result can at least point one in a good overall direction. i know i had fun taking the MBTI with my friends when i first got into this. but then you have to unravel it a little when you try to apply it to socionics.
    yeah I've tried this - with a couple of friends - one consistently tests as an INFJ on MBTIs, though I'm fairly sure he's an INTj. The other tested once as an ENFP (though she believes her result would change from day to day) - and I thought she was also an ENFp but the case for ISFp is also strong. Most of my other friends can't be bothered sitting through a test with more than 10 questions on something as boring as themselves!


    @Expat - anymore thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Your signature seems Beta to me.
    You signature seems inexistent to me.

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    I feel ignored

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    I was reviewing your original type thread.

    I say EII, INFj.

    Some of the arguments for INFp seem to be using MBTI concepts.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    I was reviewing your original type thread.

    I say EII, INFj.

    Some of the arguments for INFp seem to be using MBTI concepts.
    Thank you - though going by your analogy regarding Fi vs. Fe, I am beginning to doubt I am an Fi type - my feelings towards a person changes too easily, depending on the feeling I have observed them show to me or to others most recently.

    For example, if when I first meet someone, they are aloof and stand-offish towards me, I may not take away a positive impression of them. But then if the next time I meet them they take more interest in me, or do something which I find amusing or admirable, it would be easy for me to feel something positive towards that person.

    Also recently, one of my friends (person A - a fairly good friend) did something very wrong (as most people would consider it) by another one of my friends (person B - a very good friend). Now despite hurting person B, the next time I met person A I was able to get along with him, because I understood the circumstances which led to the event, and I felt no need to be judgmental towards him. And because person A responded positively to the fact that I was treating him with good will despite being close to person B, my feelings towards person A shifted back from being overly negative.

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    I've been thinking about for weeks how to help you move forward in your type clarity. But I'll go with what I have at the moment, and just hope it can help you progress.

    I hope that I'm not asking questions that have already been asked, but I keep thinking about your type and as I posting in Jessica's thread, I wanted to see if I could help you out some more.

    So, I'll do the same thing I did in there. I'll just ask a few questions. I'm kind of going along with what you feel is your largest challenge, that being between IEI and EII. Some of these questions might sound like the questions I posted in Jessica's thread, but I hope this gets the job done.

    First question. Would you say that you can assess situations or problems that have multiple options/choices and be able to see how the options are weighted and just kind of know and go with the option that is most likely? Would you tend to ignore options that have little or no chance? Or would you say that you are more meticulous in exploring each option even if you kind of know that some things aren't as likely?

    Next question. Would you say that you appreciate in others the ability to efficiently assess and work through a task and those that have a certain emphasis on quality and work ethic? Would you appreciate that sort of confidence in another person? Does it matter much to you?

    If I think of some more, I'll let you know.

    Edit: Yeah I do. Ok, so about problem solving. Let's say you have a problem with multiple choices. Would you say that you go about solving that problem in a sort of trial-and-error method and eliminate the choices that won't work to arrive at a solution that does work? Or, would you say that you can see a question or problem and if you know the answer to the question, you just go with the answer without looking at the other choices because there's little chance it could be anything else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    I hope that I'm not asking questions that have already been asked, but I keep thinking about your type and as I posting in Jessica's thread, I wanted to see if I could help you out some more.
    thanks, I really appreciate it - I hope I answer the questions adequately

    First question. Would you say that you can assess situations or problems that have multiple options/choices and be able to see how the options are weighted and just kind of know and go with the option that is most likely? Would you tend to ignore options that have little or no chance? Or would you say that you are more meticulous in exploring each option even if you kind of know that some things aren't as likely?
    I'm trying to completely understand this question - could you give me an example of such a situation?

    Next question. Would you say that you appreciate in others the ability to efficiently assess and work through a task and those that have a certain emphasis on quality and work ethic? Would you appreciate that sort of confidence in another person? Does it matter much to you?
    "in others the ability to efficiently assess and work through a task" - I'm not so sure. To me, efficiency doesn't *really* matter a great deal.

    "those that have a certain emphasis on quality and work ethic" - I guess so, because these are things that I strive to do, so I would appreciate someone who would appreciate it in me.

    Ok, so about problem solving. Let's say you have a problem with multiple choices. Would you say that you go about solving that problem in a sort of trial-and-error method and eliminate the choices that won't work to arrive at a solution that does work? Or, would you say that you can see a question or problem and if you know the answer to the question, you just go with the answer without looking at the other choices because there's little chance it could be anything else?
    I think I'm more of the first - but it depends - if I had a limited amount of time and I was almost completely sure of the correct answer, I would take the second approach. But I'd rather explore the other choices, even if I was sure of the correct choice, if only to understand why the other choices were given.

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