IEI-LII Benefit relations (INFp and INTj)

[indigoroom]

in the case of INTj/INFp relationships of benefit where is the benefit? what is benefit? what purpose serves these relationships in society?
how much should I charge them ?

[diamond]

in the case of INTj/INFp relationships of benefit where is the benefit? what is benefit? what purpose serves these relationships in society?
how much should I charge them ?

Yeah really. A little more clarity about his relation would be good. My mom's my benefactor and always gives me things, then again, she's my mom and moms generally do that.

I don't know too many enfj's. The ones I've known I've mainly given advice.

[Hugo]

Lets take the example of INTj and INFp

INTj has
big
small

INFp has
small
big


The big of INTj is over-supportive to the small of INFp. However, the small is inadequately supportive to the big . As a result the INFp gets more support out of the relationship than the INTj.

Not only that, the INFp's big is over-critical to the INTj's small .

[UDP]

Alright, INFps -- what am I(NTjs) supposed to learn from you?

[aestrivex]

i don't believe you would ask such a question. the answer is very clear.

your benefactors exist to give you a clear analysis on the merits of batteries, including a comprehensive guide to selecting the appropriate brand, color, tint, average AMU, and the standard deviation of the diameter of the negative pole, not including the exterior.

INFps are generally masterful at knowing everything of batteries; i have yet to meet one that did not know what a battery was.

[UDP]

Hmm, that's an interesting take. I won't ask how or why about the batteries, though.

[indigoroom]

so yeah. thanks to INTjs not being able to get under their tasty Benefactor's pants there is so much bias and hidden hate towards INFps. also it's getting even more shitty as the beneficiary is extremely sensitive to benefactor's words. SO if some INFp chick tells you that you suck you mr. INTj login into the internet and start posting and writing articles about how bad the INFps are

I'm not sure if it's about learning but more about benefit from their Fe which corresponds to INTj's dual-seeking function.

also it's good for work since INFps can perfectly see how would INTj's work affect people/relationships in the long run although INTjs sometimes prefer to hide from that responsibility.

[Expat]

INTjs are attracted by the INFp's charm if the INFp deigns to give the INTj the slightest flavor of it.

However, INFps regard INTjs as pussy-wimps due to their PoLR and their strikes the INFp as a bit arrogant.

The End.

[indigoroom]

yeah anyway thanks for painting once again INFPs as pretentious, greedy bitches

I know that YES I view their Ti as sometimes too arrogant. but I do have respect for INTjs minds and accomplishments and I just.. respect my INTj friends in general.

[Expat]

yeah anyway thanks for painting once again INFPs are pretentious, greedy bitches

That wasn't my intention

I do know it's not that simple. My post was an intentionally crude description of how the INFp benefactor would view the INTj beneficiary from the point of view of function analysis alone. The INFp's dual-seeking function is , so they would not be particularly attracted to -PoLR types. Of course individuals are individuals.

Perhaps you can tell me why it should be different, socionically speaking.

[dreamer]

That asian's cute. I'm jealous of her hair. Hmmm, there's something feeling about her.

Perhaps INTJ needs to emotions to spice up their lives and that is where the INFPs come in putting everything subjectively. INTJs perhaps need a different view point than objective. ?

[Creepy-aurora_faerie]

We're supposed to stop you from over-analyzing your mother and get on with life.

[Creepy-aurora_faerie]

oh, and stop thinking of all your relationships in terms of socionics. they are people, not letters. they will form their own roles in your life, not their precisily allocated letter formation you have applied to them without their knowledge.

[Gilly]

INTjs are attracted by the INFp's charm if the INFp deigns to give the INTj the slightest flavor of it.

However, INFps regard INTjs as pussy-wimps due to their PoLR and their strikes the INFp as a bit arrogant.

The End.

Wow. How did you know that? Honestly, this is probably the best description of how I tend to view INTjs.

I think sometimes the dual-seeking function can be "strong" in the sense that it allows one to look for the presence of a function in another person. I think this is part of why I feel like I supervise INFjs sometimes.

[Expat]

I think sometimes the dual-seeking function can be "strong" in the sense that it allows one to look for the presence of a function in another person.

Most definitely. I agree. Also, the dual-seeking function is also part of your quadra values.

[ScarlettLux]

Well, I am really good friends with two INTjs. They do seem to really like me, and value my opinion on things, kind of look up to me in a way? Well, at least one does. The other, well, we're just really close.

I like INTjs myself... I don't really see them in a bad light or anything.

[uninspired]

My relationships with INTJs are quite variable, and I think this could be related to subtype differences. One of my closest friends is an intuitive subtype INTJ; he's very warm and laid-back, yet intensely intellectual, detached, and private. He and I are able to joke together, discuss philosophy, and share personal stories. We also have similar senses of humor - he seems to find nearly everything I say and do hilarious.
My other INTJ friend is a logical subtype, and our relationship is somewhat different. He's a bit more hard-nosed and abrasive than my intuitive subtype friend and has a tendency to criticize me often because of my soft-heartedness and tendency to vacillate in making decisions. His way of relating to me also involves a lot of mockery and somewhat demeaning humor. I like him a lot and enjoy spending time with him, but I have trouble determining if he's truly angry/fed up with me or if that's just his nature. He is, however, utterly fascinated by my intuitive subtype INFP friend (I'm an ethical subtype INFP) and wishes that he could be more like him.
So yeah, I get along with some INTJs better than others, but I'm not entirely sure about their perceptions of me. I actually like them very much and value their humor and perspective - they never cease to be stimulating company.

- ethical subtype INFP and dork in the extreme

[science as magic]

INTjs are attracted by the INFp's charm if the INFp deigns to give the INTj the slightest flavor of it.

However, INFps regard INTjs as pussy-wimps due to their PoLR and their strikes the INFp as a bit arrogant.

The End.

that is why you love em and leave em.

many times i actually view myself as their benefactor of sorts. i think it is an fp <=> tj thing.

[Animal]

The INTjs I know are all very interesting people. The beauty of this relationship is that we can spend hours discussing topics that would generally bore most people. The agony of this relationship is that... we can spend HOURS discussing topics that would generally bore most people, heh.

We reach a point in the discussion where I keep running up against the INTj's - they are firmly entrenched in their own belief about the topic at hand, and as much as I try and offer a more vision of the situation, it just rolls off of their backs. They don't get it. And they don't realize they don't get it. And I don't realize that they don't realize that they don't get it. And so we end up saying the same thing in many different ways over and over and over again, chasing after whichever direction their wants to take us.

[discourse]

I have never seen it in real life. So how do these two types get along over the longer period of time. I'm not interested in links to some descriptions. I'm interested in real life storys. Hopefully from real INTjs and INFps.

[FDG]

I have seen strong friendships develop between INFp-girl and INTj-guy. The INFp-girl is generally in awe to the INTj-Ti, which something she would like to be able to do. The INTj is extremely fascinated by the INFp but, on the other hand, turned off by the perceiving nature of her feelings. When the relationship gets closer, the INFp-girl becomes very distresses by the difficulty the INTj has in "having fun" and "letting loose", along with the general squeamishness of the INTj in Si matters (as an example, read Subterranean reaction to my posting in the "Favourite Lyrics" thread). The INTj, again, tries to "convert" the INFp, but the INFp passively resists.

In all honesty, I know this because both times I was the "third party". I mean, that both girls were going out with me whlist trying to return to the "friends" status with the INTj.

[UDP]

I've never been in a relationship with an INFp personally. But I can agree with what FDG, based on what I know about myself, socionics, and INFps.

Especially the part about LII looking for rational emotions
and the INFp looking for someone who is more 'fun'.

[vague]

FDG described it perfectly. I honestly can't give a better account of my own experiences with INTjs.

[Ms. Kensington]

i find i am able to start friendships fastest with INFps. I can be the one distancing myself at times and the INFp can be the one who is annoyed with the relations as well.

[Exodus]

I like INFps' sense of humor, although it becomes taxing after a while.

[betterthan]

Hi LIIs!

Please give me the juice on your relations with IEIs?



(Awh man are you guys cute! The ones I know are awesome ^^)

[electric sheep]

you are an IEI?

[Brilliand]

I haven't positively identified an IEI yet RL (and I doubt that I know any of the ones on my sister's list), but the ones on this forum seem quite nice (except strrng, who is pleasant enough but also dangerous).

[redbaron]

One of my best long-distance friends in all the world is LII. And I know two others. Always get along great with them. After awhile, they do seem a bit boring. Safe or something. Content to sit around reading (not that there's anything wrong with that but I get antsy) or researching whatever they're into at the moment.

[07490]

but the ones on this forum seem quite nice (except strrng, who is pleasant enough but also dangerous).

Geez, he scares his mirror as well, I think he is identical to Bin Laden.

[betterthan]

Yes, Fear of Sleep I am !

Haha you guys think strrng is dangerous? Why :tongue I have a virtual crush on him lol .

Thanks Redbaron! That sounds cool . I have a really good LII friend too but she's a little safe, yeah.

I wonder what this match is like for romantics because I just met this super cute LII guy or at least I am pretty sure that's what he is, maybe I should get people to VI him since I don't have much meat on him. I just wonder what it's like on the other side for the LIIs.

[Krig the Viking]

My best friend growing up was an IEI. We played a lot of video games together, and he would laugh at my jokes. He was much better at socializing than I was, so in social situations I would use him as my "link" to the social world; otherwise I would just sit in a corner and observe events. In other words, I valued his Fe.

On the other hand, I was never able to understand his thought process. His behaviour was always unpredictable and unreliable and confusing (especially since I didn't know anything about socionics or personality types at the time). And while we were "best friends", there were other people in my class who were closer "best friends" than we were, and I always wondered why that was. And now, thanks to socionics, I know!

[betterthan]

My best friend growing up was an IEI. We played a lot of video games together, and he would laugh at my jokes. He was much better at socializing than I was, so in social situations I would use him as my "link" to the social world; otherwise I would just sit in a corner and observe events. In other words, I valued his Fe.

On the other hand, I was never able to understand his thought process. His behaviour was always unpredictable and unreliable and confusing (especially since I didn't know anything about socionics or personality types at the time). And while we were "best friends", there were other people in my class who were closer "best friends" than we were, and I always wondered why that was. And now, thanks to socionics, I know!

Thanks!

[Brilliand]

Haha you guys think strrng is dangerous? Why :tongue I have a virtual crush on him lol .

I could also call him "sharp," though I don't mean that in the sense of intelligence - he slices into people, catching emotional nuances and using those to tear into that person. While he does have a fair amount of intelligence and insight, it always seems to be accompanied by some sort of sting. Rationally, I'd never consider myself to be in danger, but there's a powerful sense of threat.

Some of the disccussions on this forum have concluded that that's common to Beta Quadra, but I've only seen it in him and (more faintly) in some of the SLEs.

[jason_m]

Some of the disccussions on this forum have concluded that that's common to Beta Quadra, but I've only seen it in him and (more faintly) in some of the SLEs.

It might not be an indication of his behaviour in real life, but his online persona reminds me of an Se ego.

Jason

[electric sheep]

You seem giddy. Are you sure you didn't drink from the koolaid?

[betterthan]

Lol. Appreciate the Fe fear of sleep :wink::wink:.

Oh...I've never seen him do it to 'innocent' people. Is he like that in arguments or in general, have you noticed?

Actually, yeah that's a good observation, I notice I do that as well when I feel really angry at someone, when someone is unnecessarily attacking myself or other people. It's like that Machiavelli idea that you have to totally destroy an enemy, if you just slightly hurt their pride then they will retaliate. I think all Betas sort of operate from that idea when it comes to conflict, which I guess do make us the most lethal quadra.

But I do think it's unnecessary quadra bashing, most Betas don't act like this unless they feel unjustly attacked, it's just the Betas that constantly fear they will be attacked that are like this all the time.

[Park]

(except strrng, who is pleasant enough but also dangerous).

In what way?

[Brilliand]

In what way?

I answered this:

I could also call him "sharp," though I don't mean that in the sense of intelligence - he slices into people, catching emotional nuances and using those to tear into that person. While he does have a fair amount of intelligence and insight, it always seems to be accompanied by some sort of sting. Rationally, I'd never consider myself to be in danger, but there's a powerful sense of threat.

Some of the disccussions on this forum have concluded that that's common to Beta Quadra, but I've only seen it in him and (more faintly) in some of the SLEs.

Incidentally... have 07490 and Winterpark swapped identities?

Also, why are 0 and o right next to each other on the keyboard?!

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I just noticed if you tell an INTj 'Don't be so crabby!' in an upbeat, light-hearted way they will ease them up and make them warmer. (with lots of Fe of course)

But never, ever ever bully them lol.