Are INTPs capable of falling in love, or at least something that they would feel comfortable identifying as "love"?
Are ILIs-INTps capable of falling in love?
Are INTPs capable of falling in love, or at least something that they would feel comfortable identifying as "love"?
no.
Originally Posted by niffweed17
of course they are- look at their HA!
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
you have spoken of ganin. for this offense you shall be summarily executed. as of now your execution is scheduled for thursday at 3 AM. have a nice day.
of course they are- look at their HA!
can that possibly be rescheduled? i have a teeth cleaning then.
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
how's 1 AM thursday?
they might not like to talk about it or use the word "love" but I'm sure they can feel it just as deeply as anyone of any other type. Love is universal. <3
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Yes
It sounds like you are just trying to find a excuse for why you are bitter about something.
ENTj ~**~ 7w6
Mmm, not really. It was something an INTp ex said to me once, that he didn't feel he was capable of ever experiencing "being in love"... and as an ESFp, it completely baffled me so I wanted a few points of view.
Sorry for not having an epically tragic story to share.
- Maybe he wasn't really an INTp.
- Maybe he was, but was fucked up and incapable of loving.
- Maybe you're not really an ESFp.
- Maybe you are, but he "perceived" you as being fucked up and was incapable of loving you (and just said that to be nice).
- Maybe this had nothing to do with Socionics or personality typing.
- Maybe he was abused or had PTSD and was incapable of loving regardless of type (see reason #2 above).
- Maybe he was suffering from depression (It's not always obvious, and see reason #2 above.)
- Maybe <insert a million other reasons having nothing to do with Socionics or typology here>
- Maybe you're a bleeding heart liberal and he's an evil right winger (or vice versa) and he despised your politics and everything you stand for (see above)
Just because you find someone who's your dual doesn't mean that life will be happily ever after and that the birds will be singing and that the sun will always be shining. BTW, if I was breaking up with a girlfriend I could totally see myself using that "I'm not capable of loving anyone" bullshit excuse, because it diffuses a highly agitatedPolr slapping situation on the INTp which is the most awkward thing for us and something we have no fricken clue whatsoever on how to handle.
Te-INTp/ILI, my wife: Fi-ISFj/ESI, with laser beam death rays for ESTp/SLEs, lol
16 years of bliss in an Activity relationship
Uh, wow. No need for the hostility. There are a million counter-points I could offer up for that little outburst, but I'm going to let it go for a more relevant statement: The conversation sparked a curiosity in me that prompted thought about INTPs as a group, and love. I am not bitter or devastatedly wondering what went wrong, and I did not necessarily in relation to me or to us. If I had, I would have told my story up there and, being an ESFP, probably used lots of- Maybe he wasn't really an INTp.
- Maybe he was, but was fucked up and incapable of loving.
- Maybe you're not really an ESFp.
- Maybe you are, but he "perceived" you as being fucked up and was incapable of loving you (and just said that to be nice).
- Maybe this had nothing to do with Socionics or personality typing.
- Maybe he was abused or had PTSD and was incapable of loving regardless of type (see reason #2 above).
- Maybe he was suffering from depression (It's not always obvious, and see reason #2 above.)
- Maybe <insert a million other reasons having nothing to do with Socionics or typology here>
- Maybe you're a bleeding heart liberal and he's an evil right winger (or vice versa) and he despised your politics and everything you stand for (see above)
Just because you find someone who's your dual doesn't mean that life will be happily ever after and that the birds will be singing and that the sun will always be shining. BTW, if I was breaking up with a girlfriend I could totally see myself using that "I'm not capable of loving anyone" bullshit excuse, because it diffuses a highly agitateds.
Relevant, theoretical opinions, please.
wtf
You asked for a few points of view, so there you have some. None of that necessarily represents what I think - just possibilities that exist.Uh, wow. No need for the hostility. There are a million counter-points I could offer up for that little outburst, but I'm going to let it go for a more relevant statement: The conversation sparked a curiosity in me that prompted thought about INTPs as a group, and love. I am not bitter or devastatedly wondering what went wrong, and I did not necessarily in relation to me or to us. If I had, I would have told my story up there and, being an ESFP, probably used lots of
Relevant, theoretical opinions, please.
Te-INTp/ILI, my wife: Fi-ISFj/ESI, with laser beam death rays for ESTp/SLEs, lol
16 years of bliss in an Activity relationship
Oh okMmm, not really. It was something an INTp ex said to me once, that he didn't feel he was capable of ever experiencing "being in love"... and as an ESFp, it completely baffled me so I wanted a few points of view.
Sorry for not having an epically tragic story to share.
ENTj ~*
yes, i think IxTp are really cute, but sometimes i do wonder about different people's idea of what love is due to their differences.Oh ok
i have no idea what steventj is talking about. i could easily see an ILI saying this. (which doesn't mean that this person is necessarily ILI at all).
this kind of statement mirrors what i might say, which would probably be along the lines that i have never experienced anything remotely resembling what most people would call love and do not understand the concept of love at all.
capable, yes. comfortable, i doubt it.
but i will speak for myself.
identifying and expressing feelings is a problem. more specifically, the problem is with knowing the boundaries of an emotion and of my own capacity for "executing it" while existing on this "tension wire" strung out by the memory (and fear of) of attraction/repulsion and connection/disconnection. if i think i would like to connect with a person, what steps do i take to connect? do i go towards someone, and if so, how how firmly do i step out? do i risk falling out of line with what i know in an effort to make my nondescript feeling clear, or to see what develops from the interest? or perhaps to win the love of another person? how do i clearly extract the concept of love from all the bullshit that accompanies and confuses it (i.e. expectation, sex, peripheral desires or feelings, needing a person for selfish reasons, etc.)? how do i know whether what i feel is at all proportionate to what someone else feels? if someone loves me, what is expected of me? is it expected that i will graciously acknowledge the feeling and adopt the sensitivity necessary not to hurt their feelings, even if it means lying?
these are some of the questions that plague me. now, to be clear, it's not that i don't feel for people or that i don't want to love people. besides, sometimes i get the wave of impulsiveness necessary for me to risk falling off the wire. in fact, being on the wire made possible by being roughly an infant in terms of emotional expression is, in itself, evidence of being prone to fall towards weak, untrue, unhealthy, or otherwise indecipherable experiences of love.
one minute, i feel things and suspect they might be roughly the things that define love, and am possibly tempted to pursue a "loving" connection. the next, i don't feel a thing. admitting to this fickle love is foolish, if you ask me. i am cautious to the extreme when it comes to love, or would like to be. but as i mentioned before, it's the nature of being on the wire to begin with that, i think, sets me up to fall. it is the fear that, despite my best efforts to maintain balance and to not cause undue distress in myself or another person, i could still fall and possibly even enjoy it until i hit the ground.
whenever the dog and i see each other we both stop where we are. we regard each other with a mixture of sadness and suspicion and then we feign indifference.
Jerry, The Zoo Story by Edward Albee
OMG guys, love is so easy.
It's like there niff. Pervading your brain man. Get with it.
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
I might have said I'm incapable of love a few years ago, but one shouldn't expect to some sudden cognitive change when one is in suddenly in love. An INTp act perfectly as though they are in love with someone, but it would be wrong for them to think because they don't feel any raw emotion concerning the relationship, that the whole relationship is an everlasting void. There is no question that an INTp can feel love- its just not very discrete for ILI. Its immature to think that one can't love.
There, I want a singing Walrus dancing on ITG machine, all while smoking a cigar.
Suggestive Function
Regular Double-shot Espresso Subtype
Just because I'm a thinking type doesn't mean I'm not an idiot.
Some really interesting insights, everyone, thank you. INTps are particularly hard for me to understand at times, and hearing it explained so well has been fascinating.
... more points of view are always welcome too, of course, if any other INTps (or anyone else!) see this and want to contribute.
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if (squared >= Bailout)
{
printf ("Yes");
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...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
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