It's impossible to separate one information element from all of the others when one is using it, so it's extremely difficult impossible to define it in and of itself.
It's impossible to separate one information element from all of the others when one is using it, so it's extremely difficult impossible to define it in and of itself.
What's the difference between an Information Aspect and an Information Element?
I was just thinking "maybe I should put the definitions of information element and information aspect in my sig".
Information Element: A mental process. Something someone does. Something that's either strong or weak in a person. Something valued or unvalued by a person. A person perceiving or understanding something.
Information Aspect: Something which could be perceived or understood. Conversations about of Information Aspects discuss an aspect in and of itself, free from the perspective of any individual and outside of mental processes.
Well, this thread has made one new point: there is no good example of the difference, which is because there isn't one.
Information aspects are what is perceived by psychic functions.
Maybe information aspects are irrelevant to introverts...That's why Augusta found them necessary, and Jung did not.
They are also irrelevant to most of socionics, but become relevant when applying socionics ideas to anything outside the psyche and psychology.
You can avoid them in most cases by speaking of "manifestations of psychic functions" rather than "information aspects." In many cases this is more correct.
But if you say, for instance, "he's producing lots of Fe," you can't call this "Fe" a "function." A function is a mental/psychic entity.
Maybe I'm splitting hairs from thehotelambush's perspective, but if this is the case, then please provide an alternate Ti system that is consistent and better than the existing one
Note: I am using the Jungian word "function" these days rather than "IM element." It turns out this is what is used in socionic journal publications rather than Augusta's original terminology.
It is easier for the eye of a camel to pass through a rich man than for a needle to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Good point - except I would say it's information "elements" that are unnecessary. Aspects go in functions and produce type. It doesn't get much simpler than that. Creating another name for an aspect-in-a-function makes it seem like it's a totally different thing when it's really not.
I had considered that, but thought it may cause argument and confusion. I suppose everything does though in this crowd.
I agree. While information aspects are technically a consequence of information elements because they're defined by the existence of human perception, it is true that an "information element" is nothing more than an aspect-in-a-function. It's good to give it a name though. That way you can talk about it without making it specific to a certain type (though... perhaps it ought to be?).
Half understood. Examples of IM Elements (Information Elements, correct?) are Se, Te, Fi and Ni.
What is an example of an Information Aspect?
I'm not asking for a list of information elements, I'm asking for descriptions of each.
(As far as whether IM Element are information elements, I don't know for certain. I don't like to use the terms interchangeably. Translation issues make it difficult to know for certain. I think Rick said they're the same, but when I was reading translations of things Augusta wrote, it sounded like IM Element was used interchangeably with both information element and information aspect. So yeah, I don't know.)
Would these most generally be objects and fields? What is actually perceived by the person? Joy's description of it being "free from the perspective of any individual and outside of mental processes" makes me think that it might just be objects, or maybe objective fields. Where do subjective fields fit into the big picture?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
hmmmm so could an example for my Se be...
Aspect: Being aware of the current fads and trends in fashion.
Element: Using this awareness in creating outfits and my wardrobe thinking about what would flatter me and also what is "in" at the moment.
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ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp