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    Default Extroverted intuition Ne in ENFps vs ENTps (alpha +Ne vs. delta -Ne)

    I saw someone post this in another thread:

    A tendency to make suggestions and to build on them in an 'adventurous' way is a sign of Ne+ according to DarkAngelFireWolf69, and something antagonistic to Ne-. So under this interpretation you would not be an ENFp, but some Alpha or Beta type.
    I know the general consensus on the +/- thing here is that it's bullshit, but I'm curious whether ENFps could comment on the accuracy of the above statement... and if it's not true, what are the differences between leading Ne in ENFps and ENTps in your experience?
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    The only difference is whether the Ne is paired with Ti or Fi. There is no + or -.

    http://socionist.blogspot.com/2006/1...intuition.html - that's a blog entry by Rick talking a bit about Ne in each.
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    One way that I've seen Ne manifest itself in IEEs is with unexpected behaviour based on unexpected sentiments between people and other people, objects or situations.

    They seem to know about it and warn other people about the possibilities of it. i.e how close friends can hurting you while they think they are helping you or how the could end up hating you, how enemies could immerge from nowhere (once friends), how people can slowly become deluded in odd times, possible range of how people can feel etc.

    They also seem to have a understanding of conflicting feelings (this is more of a EII thing) and where they come from and sometimes they might actually know what to do about it (but a lot of the times they don't). They also warn of the possiblities of being in odd unhelpful relationships based on conflicting feelings.

    They also have normal Ne skills of weighing up possibilites, covering all the bases, regular stream of insights, preparation (covering all the bases again), coming up with systems that are difficult to break down (usually through unexpected human behaviour)...etc

    I might try ILE Ne later.

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    The only difference is whether the Ne is paired with Ti or Fi. There is no + or -.
    Yeah, I don't really buy into the whole +/- thing (although I'll remain open to evidence in favor of it). I'm curious whether Ne paired with Ti would manifest itself as "A tendency to make suggestions and to build on them in an 'adventurous' way" whereas Ne combined with Fi would not.

    Thanks for the link... some good stuff there.

    One way that I've seen Ne manifest itself in IEEs is with unexpected behaviour based on unexpected sentiments between people and other people, objects or situations.

    They seem to know about it and warn other people about the possibilities of it. i.e how close friends can hurting you while they think they are helping you or how the could end up hating you, how enemies could immerge from nowhere (once friends), how people can slowly become deluded in odd times, possible range of how people can feel etc.

    They also seem to have a understanding of conflicting feelings (this is more of a EII thing) and where they come from and sometimes they might actually know what to do about it (but a lot of the times they don't). They also warn of the possiblities of being in odd unhelpful relationships based on conflicting feelings.

    They also have normal Ne skills of weighing up possibilites, covering all the bases, regular stream of insights, preparation (covering all the bases again), coming up with systems that are difficult to break down (usually through unexpected human behaviour)...etc

    I might try ILE Ne later.
    Hmm... interesting. Thanks for the response -- and yeah, an ILE Ne one would be cool.
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    Also this: http://socionist.blogspot.com/search/label/IEE

    and this: http://socionist.blogspot.com/search/label/quadras

    The group threat thing is based on Ne and Fi in delta.

    Edit: and I won't try a ILE one because I don't think I know what I'm talking about yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    The only difference is whether the Ne is paired with Ti or Fi. There is no + or -.
    If there is a difference between Ne paired with Ti and Ne paired with Fi, it seems only logical that it would be described by a + or a -, denoting orientation.

    My father is an ENFp, myself being INTj, and I can say that I have witnessed our differences in Ne quite a bit. For example, when we were discussing right and wrong, in terms of morality, I took a more relative standpoint, breaking things down and showing that those were not absolute terms. He took a more absolute standpoint, saying he could "feel" an innate sense of right and wrong.....this seems very -Ti+Ne vs. -Ne+Fi, if you ask me.

    +Ne - "Multiple viewpoints, relativity, perceptions, "grey area" viewpoints, comparisons between objects and different relative planes...separation from accepted reality"

    -Ne - "Single viewpoint, absolutionism...understanding objects in accepted plane...acceptance of "normal" reality"

    this isn't to say that ENFp's are narrow-minded - hardly. but + is about process, building, expanding, while - is about regression, result and breaking down. I simply can't see how you can regard these as total bullshit. There is a grey area between hitta's definitions and obsoleteness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabo View Post
    I saw someone post this in another thread: I know the general consensus on the +/- thing here is that it's bullshit, but I'm curious whether ENFps could comment on the accuracy of the above statement... and if it's not true, what are the differences between leading Ne in ENFps and ENTps in your experience?
    In addition to my last post and referring back to the original question of this thread: the differences between ENFps and ENTps are not only in the Ti/Fi difference, but hypothetically might also relate to higher Neuroticism in ENFps, a dimension of personality not measured directly in Socioncs. Of course, if this is really true, can only be determined after empirical research. This would mean that ENFps are less 'adventurous' than ENTps, because they are more likely to experience negative emotions in anticipation to suggested changes. But I stress: I don't know this, it's just hypothesis!
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