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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    That is next to be studied...it is a young science in the US and new to the west in general, plus, the human genome project can't very well decode the genes of hundreds of thousands of people over night.
    You don't need to decode all of the genes of hundreds of thousands of people overnight. What you do need to provide is a link - genetically based VI methodology that correlates to socionics type, from a representative sample of people, statistically valid, following the scientific method, peer reviewed, accepted and published. If you cannot produce this, then there is nothing to talk about. Your methods are no better than any that have been introduced on 16types.

    Good luck Maritsa.

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    By the way Maritsa, do not PM with with your propaganda. You either have the studies and evidence to prove your methodologies or you do not. DO NOT sell me some shit story then ask me to cooperate to help fund your research studies to prove it for the sake of socionics. Go out and solicit universities or big corporations for funding. From this point forward, any PM you send me I'll be posting it on the forums.

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    Frederick Forsyth (English Thriller Writer)

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    I'm too lazy atm to look for pics, but I'll add:

    Jeremy Northam, Rivers Cuomo, Spike Jonze and maybe Stana Katic
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    Phil Galfond, one of the best poker players in the world:



    He has lots of videos where he analyzes what's going on in a poker hand and stuff.

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    How many can you name?

    Robespierre (of course)
    Thomas Jefferson
    Issac Newton
    Maxwell Planck
    Jude Law
    Gulenko
    James Clerk Maxwell
    Donald Rumsfeld

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    I disagree on Donald Rumsfeld. He is either Delta or Gamma.
     
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    I'm sure he's LII. The LSI "cop/biologist" subtype.

    Check out his writing. He's waaaaaaaaaaay in the clouds.

    "Known and Unknown: a Memoir"

    It's also worth noting that Rumsfeld said he disliked working for GWB, his illusionary.

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    kant
    bill gates
    hunter s thompson
    the olsen twins

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    I'm sure he's LII. The LSI "cop/biologist" subtype.
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    I do not adhere to your system of subtypes. He seems like an Ni/Se type, yet also a Te/Fi type.
     
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    I think the Olsens are ILEs.

    You're probably right about Kant. ESE subtype would work well for him, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    I do not adhere to your system of subtypes. He seems like an Ni/Se type, yet also a Te/Fi type.
    He continues to defend -- and receive criticism for -- his strategy of using low amounts of soldiers and relying on MPs and hired security. His strategy was to deny the legitimacy of the insurgency. The army and its supporters disagreed with this strategy, arguing that the insurgency was a serious competitor, that the war was not over, and that it had to be systematically defeated and re-defeated. This is an LSI-vs-SLE argument at its best.

    And don't forget his career destroying Fe fail: having others sign his condolence letters.

    Where do you see Ni/Se and Te/Fi?

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    How is that Ti?

    Is he static/negative/result? I do not really see that in his speaking style. He seems result - in so far that he is inductive in his presentation style, but I am getting whiffs of dynamic.


    Quote Originally Posted by wikisocion View Post

    Dyamics:

    Perceive events in a continuous sequence – continuous changes rather than discrete states.
    More inclined to say how stage A leads to stage B, and how stage B leads to stage C.
    Describe events in a specific and concrete manner.
    More inclined to talk of movements and interactions of reality.
    The stories of dynamics usually involve multiple main characters.
    That is how I remember his breifings. Plus he seemed to be very much a positivist.


    Quote Originally Posted by wikisocion View Post

    PositivistsMore inclined to optimize already functional systems of things and processes.
    "This glass is half-full", "We have already collected $438,000 for that project"
    Usually more complimenting than reprimanding.
    Socially and intellectually more trusting.
    Explains what things are (irrationals) or should be (rationals).
    His briefings are very positivist! His denial of the setbacks... very glass is half full. However he is reprimanding...but trusting of the Iraqi people and government. But it is hard to say.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    How is that Ti?

    Is he static/negative/result? I do not really see that in his speaking style. He seems result - in so far that he is inductive in his presentation style, but I am getting whiffs of dynamic.




    That is how I remember his breifings. Plus he seemed to be very much a positivist.




    His briefings are very positivist! His denial of the setbacks... very glass is half full. However he is reprimanding...but trusting of the Iraqi people and government. But it is hard to say.
    Many of the claims on Wikisocion are inconsistent with my personal experience.

    He's "positivist" because he's a neocon. Socionics cannibalizes and distorts terms used in other theories of personality. Beware of this.

    His "known unknowns" speech was basically an explanation of 4D Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    How many can you name?
    Just one. Tcaudilllg.

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    http://socion2.narod.ru/celphlist-04_en.htm

    Issac Newton - INTP is more probable
    Jude Law - INTP
    Gulenko - maybe INTJ
    Donald Rumsfeld - ENTJ
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    manager of the largest hedge fund currently in existence world wide.

    may also be ENTp but his articles on "the machine" are Alpha Ti incarnated: http://www.bwater.com/Uploads/FileMa...ridgewater.pdf

    likes to emphasize the pursuit of "truth" and "radical transparency" as major factors in his success as an investor and manager.

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    Max Planck, yeah
    Immanuel Kant
    D. Richard Hipp
    Julia Roberts
    Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor
    Aristotle (could be ILE, though)

    (hmm I will add to this list when others come to my mind)
    Shock intuition, diamond logic.
     

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    Le Corbusier?
    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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    Quote Originally Posted by labocat View Post


    manager of the largest hedge fund currently in existence world wide.

    may also be ENTp but his articles on "the machine" are Alpha Ti incarnated: http://www.bwater.com/Uploads/FileMa...ridgewater.pdf

    likes to emphasize the pursuit of "truth" and "radical transparency" as major factors in his success as an investor and manager.
    I think he's ENTp, he thinks basically as I do about economics, or maybe I think basically as he does.

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    The most famous lie... probably this one here :

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I think he's ENTp, he thinks basically as I do about economics, or maybe I think basically as he does.
    in most interviews i've seen of him he came across very measured, calm and restrained. example:



    contrast that to someone like Steve Keen, a much more unproblematic ENTp in a very similar line of work who talks about the same topics:



    Keen's communication style is aggressive and tending towards chaos and ventured assertions. There's a world of difference between that and Dalio's style.

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    John_Dalton_by_Charles_Turner.jpg
    John Dalton: INTj?

    Dmitri_Mendeleev.jpg
    Dmitri Mendeleev: Ne-INTj or Ti-ENTp?

    marie_curie_mittel.jpg
    Marie Curie: Ti-INTj

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    Pierre Curie: Ti-INTj

    Max_Planck_1933.jpg
    Max Planck: Ti-INTj

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    Erwin Schrödinger: Ne-INTj

    dirac.jpg
    Paul Dirac: Ne-INTj

    I dug a little deeper to find quite a few famous INTj scientists, hopefully it will assist the thread.
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    Marie Curie is SLE ugh your typings suck
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Marie Curie is SLE ...[cut]...
    Why do you think she is SLE? She actually physically looks like my INTj friend. Similar mass of curly hair, similar look in the eye, similar features. (My INTj friend is also a scientist, as well as a successful businesswoman). And, my son is SLE and he has a much more open look to him, as I guess you woudl expect for an "E"... Curie, in this picture, looks more an introvert, to me. So what is pointing to SLE for you?
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
    - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"

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    Jim Parsons, maybe.



    I think both the actor and the Sheldon character are LII. Sheldon being a rather unhealthy LII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Marie Curie is SLE ugh your typings suck
    By what measure?

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    I suspect that the mathematician (Dr) Hannah Fry is LII.
    http://www.hannahfry.co.uk/
    https://www.ted.com/speakers/hannah_fry


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hacim View Post
    By what measure?
    She was patient in her work and empirical.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Person View Post
    INTj.

    Maritsa, perhaps you should consider learning a new approach to this whole thing.

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    not sure if she was LII (I thought ILI was the historic typing for her), but she certainly wasn't SLE.

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    Hannah Fry - extravert
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    @Sol
    seems correct:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    I suspect that the mathematician (Dr) Hannah Fry is LII.
    http://www.hannahfry.co.uk/
    https://www.ted.com/speakers/hannah_fry

    Probably ILE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    seems correct
    Blogs like twitter contain mostly texts. In verbal expression people control themselves good. The may easier show the behavior closer to their ideals, whishes, roles. Those roles significantly depend from different factors besides own personal types and their predispositions.
    Especially a distortion mb higher when it's articles format like in blogs, but not online talking or on forums in free manner - what would be more natural behavior.
    As the result, blogs may give rather different impression than normal psychology methods alike questionnaires. The more of a trust should be to results goten by special methods like questionnaires and tests.
    If to analyse without special methods, then at least in case of Jung's types, it's important to have nonverbal data from IRL or videos. As I've proved in the experiment - nonverbal by close typing matches shows to be comparably useful to verbal data. In some cases, like typing of the ones who knows types theory or which have chosen the occupations with hard accent on some functions, - nonverbal is better source as people are predisposed to perceive themselves having some traits. Sometimes people assign traits which are more popular from cultural points, alike SLE woman which is a housewife may describe her as emotional one, while you see she's not compared to F types. In questionnaires and test those people may describe themselves with significant distortion. Nonverbal will help notice the contradiction in those cases, it's hard to falsificate.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Exception View Post
    Jim Parsons, maybe.



    I think both the actor and the Sheldon character are LII. Sheldon being a rather unhealthy LII.
    Either LII, or I think ILE-Ti may be more likely. Love that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post

    Thabo Mbeki, President of South Africa


    I agree with this one, based on VI alone. Probably Ti subtype.






    Khieu Samphan, ideological mastermind of the Khmer Rouge

    Pic looks very EII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krieger View Post


    manager of the largest hedge fund currently in existence world wide.

    may also be ENTp but his articles on "the machine" are Alpha Ti incarnated: http://www.bwater.com/Uploads/FileMa...ridgewater.pdf

    likes to emphasize the pursuit of "truth" and "radical transparency" as major factors in his success as an investor and manager.
    I agree he looks Alpha NT.
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    Each essence is a separate glass,
    Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
    Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
    A thousand colors, but the Light is One.

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    Maria Bello

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    George Harrison

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    Tim Considine

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    George Lucas

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    Each essence is a separate glass,
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    Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
    A thousand colors, but the Light is One.

    Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet

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    Cancer Sun, Cancer/Leo Moon, Libra Ascendant, Pluto conjunct Ascendant, Sun conjunct Moon, Saturn conjunct Mercury conjunct MC in 10th, Jupiter handle of bucket pattern squares Nodes, Uranus biquintile Jupiter, Neptune sextile Ascendant, Lilith trine Ascendant, Venus in Gemini/Cancer in 9th house conjunct MC, Venus trine Uranus, Uranus conjunct Spica, Ascendant conjunct SuperGalactic Center, Sun inconjunct Galactic Center.

    Each essence is a separate glass,
    Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
    Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
    A thousand colors, but the Light is One.

    Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet

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