Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan
I hadn't noticed this interesting thread until today, but just a few comments:
* It seems that there are more choices than "stick to your strong functions" vs. "use your weak ones (e.g., HA) pathetically." For example, someone with Ti HA might also express it by studying topics are that Ti-oriented and developing an ability to follow Ti-oriented discussions competently. That would be a positive use of HA-Ti.

* The main way I've seen "bad" Ti HA expressed in people I've met in person is by relying on a deep serious voice, authoritative tone, or putting on an academic-like emotion to get people to accept one's position. Nevertheless, I've never met an IxFp in person who was really very obstinate; most are pretty willing to concede their position if given the right reasons to do so.
Like many people, you are totally missing the point.

Those descriptions are not of the types' normal and healthy behavior, even when using the hidden agenda. They are of - as stated several times - when you are being pathetic using it.

Someone who fits the descriptions of their types's HA as stated here is someone annoying, arrogant, pathetic, an ass, generally disliked by most people - except their duals, identicals and perhaps look-alikes.

As I have already said, if you don't identify with those descriptions for your type (although I'd expect everyone to behave like that on occasion), then congratulations, you are not being pathetic and an ass.

So you're essentially arguing against a point that I never made, Jonathan.

@Five: that just confirms that you're ISXj; but I think you're not really seeing those descriptions for what they are meant to represent.