Kristiina, I think beta bashing is indeed very old, tiring, un-progressive and largely silly and I agree that it should not just be passively accepted. It is the same little group of deltas (or people suspected of being delta) that continue to consistently and systematically "attack" beta in direct and indirect ways. I am sure you have noted that most gammas and even most deltas to not participate consistently or at all in the whole beta bashing thing and have no interest in doing so and that alphas are largely very supportive of beta.
The beta bashing might just be a manifestation of unhealthyin some people whereby a person finds it difficult to let go of some "wrong" that a beta in real life did to them so they come here to have a kind of release, something kind of related to what Baby was getting at. Also, I think perhaps some of these people are a bit sadistic and bullying and just like to pound on beta because they realise that some betas are in fact affected by it, Baby's attitude can help with this issues in some cases... that is not being too deeply affected by it or just putting it into some kind of wider perspective.
Then some of it is just plain old honestly not really understanding or appreciating the motives of people who are not from your own quadra perhaps coupled with not having enough imagination or whatever to kind of see where the other person is coming from, hence why when beta give voice to their concerns some people here quickly dismiss it as rubbish and/or quickly interpret the complaints through their own values with not much understanding of what you are truly after (which is most likely not power). This might feel invalidating and represent a source of frustration as I think being understood is really very important to betas and not so much being liked or even accepted.
I do believe that there are probably several people who are very likely delta/ENFp in the beta quadra but I do not presently think Baby is one of these...he really does not seem to me to be a covert-anti beta-enemy within person. The whole quadra group ideals thing is perhaps a little bit over stretched and it seems quite a good thing that people do not go around agreeing with everyone from their quadra on every issue.
Originally Posted by Megan
. It is probably more the gamma/delta guys in the world's financial centers that "own" the world and are largely in control of the media, entertainment businesses etc which betas take part in. Even if betas did own the world that would probably not give a good enough reason for the way some people here continue to spread half lies, projections and what not on beta. I think Kriistina just wants the forum to reflect a more realistic (not necessarily purely positive)understanding of beta and a better understanding of what betas actually value rather than what non betas think they value. Like the group behavior thing, people might see some rather closed distrustful beta groups in real life and do not really comprehend the rationale behind the formation of these groups and just reach rather crude conclusions about them.
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
i'll try to make it fun.
