I wanna have full on buttsex with all the betas
I wanna have full on buttsex with all the betas
NICE! :wink:
Pictures of Betas that you are acquainted with...
I just realized that tons of my friends are beta. Now I want to see if I can recognize betas by their faces.
So if you have any pictures of betas that you know, please post them here.
I got a couple:
ISTj:
INFp:
ENFj:
Left ESFP(not beta), Right ENFj
ESTp:
Last edited by Mediator Kam; 12-22-2007 at 06:40 PM.
D-SEI9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
2 girls I like A LOT... high probability for both of them to be ESTP.
and an INFp I see frequently... like every time I pass by a mirror
Last edited by sigma; 12-22-2007 at 08:32 AM.
"What is love?"
"The total absence of fear," said the Master.
"What is it we fear?"
"Love," said the Master.
I chose Love
...
Last edited by Blaze; 01-27-2008 at 07:01 PM.
infp friend -- he's a total fop. he's at film school.
http://b1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/0...58233791_l.jpg
http://a661.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...3ef3a5ec9c.jpg
enfj chick or intj maybe
http://a346.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...f5d2009fd1.jpg
http://a282.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...10ac6757d1.jpg
http://a816.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...c2e83502a7.jpg
estp guy
http://a291.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...87c0b57a2a.jpg
http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/0...37594932_l.jpg
i'll find more later
asd
Originally Posted by heath
oh wow, first one actually looked ISFj at first glance, then ENFj. Second one looked ENFp to me.
and sunshine, he looks ISTp to me o.O but i think how you've described him sounds ESTp.
yeah i oculd definitely be totally wrong. i don't really keep up with any of these people so i haven't observed them since high school.
asd
interesting you should say that ms. k. when we first met and were married i was into mbti and i thought he was an istp (and that i was an enfp). in my mind, we'd have been duals! (even though i didn't know about socionics then).
it's weird too because he had some isfp traits as well....he would care-take in the beginning and also lift my mood. but his true personality did not reveal itself until we had been married for about 8 years or so. at that point we had been together for 11 years.
ahhh the importance of knowing oneself and type diagnosis!if we only knew then what we now know.....
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Hmm, yes that's just it isn't it. Our true types really come through when the chips are down and we have to relate to others without our usual social mask on.interesting you should say that ms. k. when we first met and were married i was into mbti and i thought he was an istp (and that i was an enfp). in my mind, we'd have been duals! (even though i didn't know about socionics then).
it's weird too because he had some isfp traits as well....he would care-take in the beginning and also lift my mood. but his true personality did not reveal itself until we had been married for about 8 years or so. at that point we had been together for 11 years.
ahhh the importance of knowing oneself and type diagnosis!
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
wittmont: yes! and look how much time went by!!
he grew up in a family where you had to keep your own needs held down and try to meet the needs of others. never ask for what you want because you probably won't get it. very typical of alcoholic families. i think he could sense what i needed so he tried to give it to me. but doing so compromised who he was and he developed anger about this and took it out on me. now i think he is with his dual, which is better for him.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I wouldn't call "best behavior" a social mask. People can be more or less stressed, life conditions can be better or worse...and behaving in different ways in those moments isn't related to a "mask", just different emotional states, imho?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
actually i agree with FDG also. his was a mask in that he was behaving unnaturally which he could do more easily when there wasn't a lot of stress.
when there was a lot more stress (children under the age of 5 will do that to a couple, plus both people working more than one job) he could not maintain it. but i feel like i was always myself. he would agree i think, since when we got divorced, he said he always knew it wasn't right. i never felt that it wasn't right because for a long time he behaved like somebody more compatible with me.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I do believe we have a habitual 'persona' we show to the world. That is what I meant with social mask really. I think our real type is not merely persona related but deeper than that; real type also embraces our subconscious which we ofc cannot see ourselves directly. That part comes out when we are, for example, in conflict situations and it can be seen afterwards in how we reacted in that situation, or others point our blind spots out to us.
The 'persona' is an idealized picture of ourselves that we want to present to the world. But it is not necessarily the real you, and if you ignore or push away too many aspects of your own personality and your own needs, or overemphasize certain aspects on behalf of others, you will eventually get a 'blowback' reaction. And that reaction can be pretty ugly depending on how much you have tried to push away, and how much pressure the persona has been forced to take before it collapses. This type of thing can well build up for years, as in Sunshine's example.
That is why it is so important to have a balanced relationship (see Mea's thread about which type of love we would chose) where neither partner is bent out of shape.
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
That's incredibly unfair for you.
p'rhaps so. well you know what they say..."all's fair in love and war." and to tell the truth, i did not want to see that he was different enough for us to have major problems. denial is a powerful thing.
and, to quote infpman "you're never really out of the woods in a relationship."
we mess around with this theory at this site, but your marriage partner is the single most defining feature of your life. when it doesn't work out, trust me it's devastating. the Bible is right, that husband and wife become one. when you divorce, you are left with an open wound that does heal but never feels quite the same again. the fall out from divorce is glossed over these days since it has become so common. but trust me it's there.
so i guess i'm kind of waxing philosophical, but ya'll who are younger here have a chance to make a much more informed decision on who you will marry, based on your type and your needs. i guess if there is a word of warning, make sure you get your own type right. make sure you deal with the tougher issues regarding expectations, values, and goals early in the relationship. if you are a logical type, find an ethical type and let them be more of the leader in the relationship.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
cool.
yeah its kind of hard not to say anything too complicated to my ENFp friend who is having problems with an INFp. It's like, "dude, i've so been there. look it never stops".I said that, but its hard with someone with no interest or knowledge of socionics. everytime i hear someone acting like the other person needs to change in a certain way i just cringe.
I don't understand how this works in Beta, where the aggressor is a logical type. Seems a bit of a paradox. (Cue Ne) Is it that the aggressor really only has an illusion of control, since the intuitive victim is actually making the plans or suggesting ideas for the relationship that the aggressor only ends up "enforcing" in the relationship?
type #33
but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)
Well when you put it that way...
I don't really like talking about "control" or "leadership" in relationships because it ends up looking so one-sided or sounding like "the economics of courtship" or something and that's the opposite of how you want to approach things. DarkAngelFireWolf69's Erotic Attitudes describe only a tiny fraction of the phenomena that happen in a relationship. Essentially, it's just theand the
anticipating each other and titillating the other. The logic/ethics dichotomy is something else entirely, though. In a relationship between a logical type and an ethical type, the ethical type is always in a better position to observe the relationship. Not necessarily because they have more control over it, but rather they can more easily recognise where things are at and where they are heading. I think what SunshineLively is getting at is just that sometimes, the logical type needs to know when to let go and trust the ethical type.
Now, ideally, you don't even have to think about this sort of thing. It just happens naturally. Each partner navigates the terrain they feel most comfortable with. But where the trust issue is going to be most applicable is when the ethical partner's behavior is counterintuitive to what the logical partner expects, or the ethical partner signals that the relationship just won't work out. This is hard for anyone of any type to do. But it's better to trust them, in the end - more often then not, they know what they're doing.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
wtf baby. You own this quadra.
I tear for all other quadras, they have no one like you.
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Wow, thanks Baby for that awesome explanation. Maybe you do own this quadra.
Does anyone else think that there should be some work done on judging erotic styles? Ti and Fe. Fi and Te.
For me, it's just hard to totally let go of my "control" in the relationship. I my last relationship, my ethical girlfriend was signaling to me that we were over without actually saying anything. Even when I openly confronted her about it. I kinda wish she would have just sat down and explained it to me, but I don't think I would have just nodded and said "Okay. I'll take your advice and break up with you. See you later." I spent a lot of time and energy trying to make us work, with no results. I guess that's exactly what you're talking about.
type #33
but maybe LSE, and maybe E3w4(p)
I don't really know what situation you were in, but I want to say that IMO any advice that points away from clear communication is awful advice.
The parts about this communication coming out of "frustration", it being "forceful" and "satisfying at the time" make me think the problem was in the way you said things, not in saying them.
LSI
Yeah, I was going to say to be careful about that sort of thing. At best, the problems that are frustrating you will still be left unaddressed and eventually reemerge again at some other point. At worst, you'll end up confusing and hurting your partner with your behavior. One one hand, I know where dolphin is coming from, because I remember completely going overboard with the righteous rage department and end up realizing I overreacted.
I remember this saying from Aristotle: "Anyone can get angry. But very few will get angry at the right time, to the right degree, for the right purpose." Or something like that. When you're angry or frustrated, it is very easy to work yourself into a vengeful rage by convincing yourself that the situation is a whole lot more dramatic and horrible than it really is. I always ask myself these sorts of questions to bring me back to earth:
- "What, specifically, bothers me?"
- "Why does it bother me? Is it just because it just doesn't fit my ideal, or am I really being hurt by this person?"
- "If I'm not being hurt, is it something I can learn to live with?"
- "If I can't learn to live with it, is there any way to address this in a way that will stop this sort of thing from happening again without damaging the relationship?"
And if the answer to that last one is "No" that's when it's time to end it. Usually, though, that's not the case and so it's important not to be too hasty.
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"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
Isn't that Bonicgoat?!
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
LOL
Too bad you have to take it down; he's a very good example of how an ESTp VIs.
Man, he even looks like an asshole
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
yes this is exactly what i meant. it is counter-intuitive for a logical type. logical types want exact answers to things, a step by step analysis (if Ti) or a sequence of facts (if Te). relationships don't work that way and ethical types know this. so it becomes a question of the logical type putting a lot of effort into listening to the ethical type which follows the trusting attitude which Baby is describing. in a way, the logical type might be best at taking care of the external business of a relationship whereas the ethical type is better at monitoring the actual affective relationship.
somebody said direct communication is needed for a successful relationship and i agree with this to a point. you do need to be clear about what you want and speak clearly. however, it's the listening to the other person that fails a lot of the time. truly, we don't listen very well. what's of paramount importance is having the patience to drop your own agenda, and search for the meaning in what other person says even when, for whatever reason, they cannot express themselves clearly. this is the true challenge.
in some ways, it's kind of hard to imagine a relationship lasting over the long term, when it has no ethical type. this is my main criticism of semi-dual relationships between logical types. in some ways, i think ethicals can stretch to improve their logic more easily than logicals can stretch to improve their ethics. but i could be wrong.
@thehotelambush: i don't have to take it down right away, lol.
@gilly: yeah...other men usually think he's kind of egotistical while a lot of women love his ass and think he's a really great touchy feeling kind of man. huh. that persona leaves pretty quickly.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
That's just it. Both persons in a relationship can go nuts since they both are being extremely "clear" in their communication. Only they are "clear" according to their types, and another type simply will not hear your kind of "clear" since the values, and outlook, this "clear" is based on are so fundamentally different. Clashes of "clarity" goes into the heart of socionics. The larger the difference between type, the more energy and will is required to communicate properly. It is probable the practical side of socionics came about in attempts to iron out why certain types of people miscommunicate so much, and the reasons they do so. Socionics clearly spells out the overall pattern from duality to relations of conflict. These patterns are demonstrably recurring too between different types of people, so whatever you feel about the more cutting edge theorizing socionists do, this kind of empiricial evidence is hard to overlook. Being aware of such "clarity" issues may go a long way towards bridging such gaps of miscommunication.
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
ISTj on the left.
ESTp on the right.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
@Sunshine Lively: Is that really your ESTp ex or Bonicgoat?
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
jim it's really my estp ex.
cantcha just picture him saying, "let me tell ya something motherfucker...."
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Im pretty sure that it's not too hard for u to guess who that is.
Yesterday I knew nothing, today I know that.
I thought you said you were going to take it down.
Last edited by implied; 01-27-2008 at 01:58 AM. Reason: she said no quoting!
crazy to the insane asylumhahahaha ESTP no wonder you're driving the INFp boys crazy
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
Fuck that shit; she can drive anyone crazy.hahahaha ESTP no wonder you're driving the INFp boys crazy
It's funny what Expat said about her when I first joined.
lol @ expat
I changed my mind about you. Anyway, are you so sure?
What, that she wouldn't make me fall apart with one intense look? Or that I am one SLE that would not crack under her gaze?
Both. I think she could tear off your head with one look.
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
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