Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[Still Alive]

with the ridiculous fanbase and almost cult-like following that Taylor Swift has and the almost universal praise that fans give to her I find it almost impossible to see her as a logical type. many people in eastern europe type her LSI and I do wonder what Fe is when it isn't visible in Taylor Swift because she easily entertains gigantic crowds of people. With the imaginary aspects of her personality, I can only really imagine her to be Beta NF, although I think she is not as talented as most people think.

[godslave]

with the ridiculous fanbase and almost cult-like following that Taylor Swift has and the almost universal praise that fans give to her I find it almost impossible to see her as a logical type. many people in eastern europe type her LSI and I do wonder what Fe is when it isn't visible in Taylor Swift because she easily entertains gigantic crowds of people. With the imaginary aspects of her personality, I can only really imagine her to be Beta NF, although I think she is not as talented as most people think.

Let's face it, most people don't know how to type.

[CosmicGenis]

Taylor Swift - Blank Space


Taylor Swift - Style


Both are ESE fantasies, but the atmosphere of music and video changes with the types of the boyfriend.

First boyfriend is SEE, so the video is gamma-like (in which she plays ESI). Second boyfriend is SLE, so the video is beta-like (in which she plays EIE). Real gamma and beta productions tend to show more grit and less prettiness/extremes compared to alpha fantasies

Among all types, I find xSEs are the most versatile in acting.

Every Taylor Swift breakup song is about how SEE is her quasi-identical.

I think a German ESL student would rewrite the second part of the copula as "about how SEE her quasi-identical is." In some possible world.

[Still Alive]

Let's face it, most people don't know how to type.

I think what happens is that one well-known socionist ends up typing someone and then most people end up thinking "well that probably makes sense" and then it spreads across the community.

[The Reality Denialist]

Denis Noble LII colliding with causal deterministic views as in instruction set is not the whole.

[The Reality Denialist]

Dean Radin, LII

[nifl]

Jennifer Hetrick - ILE

[qaz00]

Jennifer Hetrick - ILE

EJ. Maybe N-ESE-Si

[Distance]

ESE

[CosmicGenis]

ESE

Big was an acceptable word in A.D. 1960. You could have a respectable character like Andy Griffith say "big" without judgment. Now in A.D. 2024 he would be judged rather unfavorably.

[nifl]

Anja C. Andersen - LII

[qaz00]

Anja C. Andersen - LII

Constant Fe output... maybe ESE-Fe
Should be clearer in other videos of her, just look into her eyes, if you don't see the Fe honestly you should find some other interest than socionics, because it's just spam at this point.

[nifl]

Constant Fe output... maybe ESE-Fe
Should be clearer in other videos of her, just look into her eyes, if you don't see the Fe honestly you should find some other interest than socionics, because it's just spam at this point.

It's not what I see: there is not much F compared to F types. Her emotionality is sparse. Even on that video you posted where she looks relaxed and at ease, she's calm and understated. It's clearly the behaviour of an introverted logician.


Example of a Fe type (IEI, it seems) talking about a similar subject.

Taking your profile into account, you seem to not understand what your own type is. This evidences your lack of good experience, which reduces your ability to understand the types of others, too. For example, you cannot correctly use intertypes in your evaluation of types, as there'd be consistent mistakes without the right type - with my T type she does not intrigue me with her emotionality or charm, which leads the impressions also to T, besides the objective lack of strong emotionality and her occupation in a T field (she's a relatively accomplished astrophysicist, an argument which has some weight especially against your ESE typing, but less than the direct non-verbal impressions).

[Still Alive]

both are IEI

[godslave]

Warren McCulloch - ILE

Also he reminds of Host Eric.

[Echo]

Not sure if anyone has said this already but prince harry strikes me as an ESE or SEI.

The queen and kate both seem like ESIs and I think Charles is IEI (Camilla seems like an SLE which would explain a few things. Diana was probably EIE).

[godslave]

Denis Noble - LII

[Distance]

Fictional example of ESE in the boss. Might be a real take IRL.

Real life tragedy: He lost his son on the plane in Scotland in that terrorist bombing circa 80's. It destroyed him.

[godslave]

Becca Segovia (Royalty Now Studios)

I think she's SEI-ish but I haven't typed her properly

This is the second video* of hers where she actually show her face (here is the first one). I very much like her YT channel. Becca and her husband Andre are doing an amazing job. She presents her contents in a way that is very pleasing, well structured and informative. She also a very good narrator with an excellent prosody and beautiful voice. Furthermore,in addition to her great voice over skills, I perceive a great acting potential in her. Bravo for the "portraits were the historical version of a photo filters" idea. What a beautiful analogy !

I've always been fascinated by portraits; death masks and how the image of people has been captured throughout history. As a matter of fact, I've asked myself the exact same questions Becca mentioned at 0:55. The advent of AI applied to digital art has made one of my dreams come true, namely, rendering pictures of great historical figures more realistic and lively.

Edit : * Nope ! Actually the first video where she showed her face is the second video on her YTC posted on April 2, 2021.

Edit 2 : She actually shown her face in several adds of her videos (that I haven't watched until now) so what I said about that is simply unfactual and incidentally irrelevant !

[qaz00]

Becca Segovia (Royalty Now Studios)

I think she's SEI-ish but I haven't typed her properly

S>N, j>p, tense and explosive energy, seems like her expressions need to combat some barrier before coming out. I'm not sure of the exact type. SEIs are smoother.

[Distance]

LII Peter Falk

[Rusal]

Alexandra Lourdes maybe SEI




@CohenThompson maybe ILE

[The Reality Denialist]

SEI

[The Reality Denialist]

Vitalik Buterin ILE

[Rusal]

Cleo Abram maybe ILE

[nifl]

Cleo Abram - LIE


Valdemarsro/Ann-Christine Hellerup - ESE
her cooking blog is one of the most well known from the internet in Denmark. so she published cookbooks and even has an app for planning daily cooking, which i saw on a billboard
said that one of the things she liked about to have a blog was to make new recipes. good combination of Si and Ne

[Rusal]

Just to be contrarian, I don't see cooking as necessarily Si or new recipes as Ne.

An ESE's Si is apparent in their ‘open-hearted inclusion’ of new people and follows their whirlwind-pattern activity (while being intimately familiar with people in a heartfelt way and more physical way): it's as if a hurricane that expands and swallows new people in activities and contacts. Their creative Si is also their Ni polr because in their innocent urge to make people happy they might bring harm upon themselves: overdrafting on their account to pay for a daughter's expensive ballet classes, for example. ESE's Si is giving themselves away completely. Other types might enjoy cooking or new recipes.

[godslave]

Just to be contrarian, I don't see cooking as necessarily Si or new recipes as Ne.

An ESE's Si is apparent in their ‘open-hearted inclusion’ of new people and follows their whirlwind-pattern activity (while being intimately familiar with people in a heartfelt way and more physical way): it's as if a hurricane that expands and swallows new people in activities and contacts. Their creative Si is also their Ni polr because in their innocent urge to make people happy they might bring harm upon themselves: overdrafting on their account to pay for a daughter's expensive ballet classes, for example. ESE's Si is giving themselves away completely. Other types might enjoy cooking or new recipes.

"Cooking", like any action on objects with objects, is Te, obviously. I would say that the real "chef" archetype would be either SLI, ESE and LSE (LIE and EIE can also be decent cooks with their Role Te and 4D Ne for coming up with new recipes ). Si is good for tasting, you need it to evaluate the taste of food. So for instance SEI, LSI and ESI might not be the best cooks but they are among the best tasters for sure. I mean 4D Si people have a mass spectrometer integrated in their palate !

Please note that I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.

[nifl]

I don't see cooking as necessarily Si or new recipes as Ne.

Cooking is mostly manual work, so mostly S. Si types, being more interested in pleasant sensations than Se types, will go to greater lengths to make the food taste good.
To imagine new combinations, variations of things is Ne. To be interested in trying or making new recipes should correlate with valued Ne.

[Adam Strange]

Cooking is mostly manual work, so mostly S. Si types, being more interested in pleasant sensations than Se types, will go to greater lengths to make the food taste good.
To imagine new combinations, variations of things is Ne. To be interested in trying or making new recipes should correlate with valued Ne.

I eat in a lot of restaurants, and like anything that is conceived and directed by one person, the restaurants all have characteristics which reflect the founder's Quadra.

Alpha Si restaurants tend to be fresh and new and simple, with dishes which mirror those traits. Natural ingredients, healthy food, veganism, all are Alpha.

Beta Se restaurants tend towards oriental themes, complex meals, black and red color themes. Swords, knives, open flames, funny uniforms.

Gamma Se restaurants tend towards the McD aesthetic. Fairly decent food, won't kill you right away, marginally healthy, at a fairly low price. "Just give us the money, here's your food. Keep that line moving." Good taste might be a corporate goal, but is more often an accident.

Delta Si restaurants tend toward white tablecloths, chandeliers, silverware, roast beef, wines, and high prices. Unless they are Cracker Barrel or Bob Evans comfort-food type places.

And yes, even though I'm Gamma, since I want to live to be 100, I prefer eating the food found at Alpha restaurants.

[Rusal]

ESE are not bad cooks but their Si manifests differently. It's about their soulful personality, a mix of open friendship and motherly 'worry' and attachment. Different recipes as Ne is probably one of the most confusing things one can write here.

[nifl]

ESE are not bad cooks but their Si manifests differently. It's about their soulful personality, a mix of open friendship and motherly 'worry' and attachment.

There should be no difference in functional manifestation besides strength and value. ESE's Si is the 2nd ego function, so it manifests the same as in LSE. Si types are better cooks in average. Care more about physical pleasure as Si valuers and are more attentive to the material world as S types.

Most of the other things you wrote about ESE can be connected with F, not Si.

Different recipes as Ne is probably one of the most confusing things one can write here.

Being a likely intuitive, it's unbecoming of you to pretend to not understand the relation of this specific statement to what is general for Ne.

If that statement is foreign for you, look at Jung's Psychological Types chapter 10 on Extraverted Intuition. And get ahold of some normal theory, like Filatova. You'll make less mistakes in practice. For example, you'll understand that it's a point of behavioral data towards valued Ne to be curious about varied, new or unusual things or experiences. Whereas Se/Ni can be more restrictive in their interests, to care more deeply about a few things than the variation.

I'm curious if you use VI when you post your examples?

[Rusal]

If that statement is foreign for you, look at Jung's Psychological Types chapter 10 on Extraverted Intuition. And get ahold of some normal theory, like Filatova. You'll make less mistakes in practice. For example, you'll understand that it's a point of behavioral data towards valued Ne to be curious about varied, new or unusual things or experiences. Whereas Se/Ni can be more restrictive in their interests, to care more deeply about a few things than the variation.

That's an oversimplification and pretty much useless for first-time readers. Ne and Te is made to deal with nuts and bolts operations in informal lines of production and commerce; the Ne in Delta's NF is particularly poised for the chipping away at society's established lines of patrician decorum and ‘collective trust’, because the undercurrents of the ‘new’ it senses are directed at cunningly looking for the best result for themselves. I think your own sociotype might be the influence causing you to accept Ne as interested in the unusual, while the same concept looks different to me. Falling into a rabbit-hole just to follow the far-flung idea that randomly caught your attention, searching for original material in a defunct language, running the material through a software to get a translation, comparing variants, etc. That's just one example that better represents a real interest and curiosity towards the unusual. These definitions are irritating because I see where you're going, but if going after the unusual and new can mean different things depending on your quadra, tell me what benefit does the casual reader derive from this you wrote about Ne? That's all I'm saying.

[nifl]

@Rusal

I think your own sociotype might be the influence causing you to accept Ne as interested in the unusual

My sociotype is T, which makes normal understanding of elementary defintions easier. And as I am S, I don't have the ability to explain away so originally like you do.

Ne: imagination about the objective/external - hidden/unknown characteristics, possibilities - which variations is a synonym of. The more unusual/far from the known version of the object, the more Ne is used to understand its characteristics. Like to understand a foreign culture. With valued Ne, people tend to be more open and interested in things which are not fully understood, i.e. are unusual for them - new experiences, variations.

Falling into a rabbit-hole just to follow the far-flung idea that randomly caught your attention

Far-flung idea can also be from Ni, generated without much reference to an object. Ni should be your ego function.

searching for original material in a defunct language

Has some connection to Ne (understanding not yet read texts), but also Te to find info. Defunct language may even be related to antiquarian/mystical interests, which is more interesting for Ni.

running the material through a software to get a translation

Te

comparing variants

Besides Ne, which variant of a translation is better has much to do with Ti, as it has much to do with grammar.

That's just one example that better represents a real interest and curiosity towards the unusual.

Represents an interest towards understanding a specific language/culture by reading new texts in that language. Ne valuers, mainly Ne egos, tend towards more broad curiosity. If they were linguistically interested, they'd tend to care more broadly about new languages, new concepts in languages, not just one or a few. An IEE I know studies lingustics, and gets interested in a new language every week. She'll definitely get problems to write a thesis during a longer period of time.

but if going after the unusual and new can mean different things depending on your quadra

The interest in this varies depending on the quadra. Ni/Se quadras are less interested.

tell me what benefit does the casual reader derive from this you wrote about Ne?

Casual readers should read basic theory.

[Still Alive]

another page and no alpha type in sight... one day you will get there

[nifl]

The 8-bit Guy - LII

fromscratchbaker - not Si. seems beta, with IEI excluded
CohenThompson - seems closer to beta NF

[CosmicGenis]

^ LII facing the abyss of uncertainty, which is the baseline value of LII. Notice also how everything is painted cosmic purple like the universe. The only thing not LII is the fact that it's a .jpeg file (too lazy to convert).

[godslave]

^ LII facing the abyss of uncertainty, which is the baseline value of LII. Notice also how everything is painted cosmic purple like the universe. The only thing not LII is the fact that it's a .jpeg file (too lazy to convert).

Cosmic Latte.

[Irene Add]

with the ridiculous fanbase and almost cult-like following that Taylor Swift has and the almost universal praise that fans give to her I find it almost impossible to see her as a logical type.

Robert Downey, Jr.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Denzel Washington
Angela Bassett
Mark Cuban

[nifl]

Robert Downey, Jr. - ethical, maybe EIE
Denzel Washington - ethical, closer to Fe