Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[Averroes]

ILE So/Sx

[lynn]

SEI

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

ILE?

[Alive]

ILE?

Why would a logical type upload a video of himself crying on camera? Seems IEI

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Why would a logical type upload a video of himself crying on camera? Seems IEI

because he wants to express himself. i suspect u are a narcissist btw not saying it in bad faith, you are disconnected from your emotions and inner world and you are projecting those things u lack on an image of IEI and u are projecting that image on all kinds of people. IEIs are mirros and absorbers so ofc u can see an IEI mirroring others nad confuse some patterns u see for IEI patterns from other people. tho IEIs are also manipulators and they can end up feeding patterns to people too. and yeah maybe IEIs would be much more expressive in a deep Fi way too than other types that will have the strongest effect but thats still different from others.

[Alive]

because he wants to express himself. i suspect u are a narcissist btw not saying it in bad faith, you are disconnected from your emotions and inner world and you are projecting those things u lack on an image of IEI and u are projecting that image on all kinds of people. IEIs are mirros and absorbers so ofc u can see an IEI mirroring others nad confuse some patterns u see for IEI patterns from other people. tho IEIs are also manipulators and they can end up feeding patterns to people too. and yeah maybe IEIs would be much more expressive in a deep Fi way too than other types that will have the strongest effect but thats still different from others.

The word narcissism has really lost all of its meaning. You do you I guess but people have a weird understanding of logical types here if they think they would upload such a video of themselves. I'm disconnected from emotions because I don't really feel all that much. It's not there, and it doesn't matter to me.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

The word narcissism has really lost all of its meaning. You do you I guess but people have a weird understanding of logical types here if they think they would upload such a video of themselves. I'm disconnected from emotions because I don't really feel all that much. It's not there, and it doesn't matter to me.

im not really sure if this guy is ILE. i wanted opinions, i dont see why a logical type wouldn't do it and i suspect you might be mistaking logic with narcissism.

[Alive]

im not really sure if this guy is ILE. i wanted opinions, i dont see why a logical type wouldn't do it and i suspect you might be mistaking logic with narcissism.

Who isn't a narcissist at this point? You? Anyone who doesn't have 4D Fi? I don't care about that person's type. Just pointing out that logical types don't feel that much overall, and the idea that they would present themselves as this youtuber to the world seems a bit silly to me. That's all

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Who isn't a narcissist at this point? You? Anyone who doesn't have 4D Fi? I don't care about that person's type. Just pointing out that logical types don't feel that much overall, and the idea that they would present themselves as this youtuber to the world seems a bit silly to me. That's all

im literally a self proclaimed narcissist. i think i know an ESI narcissist, but not an EII, someone suggested an EII who might be tho. im saying u are a narcissist bc u kinda VI as one nad u use the flat logic distorted thinking thats common for narcisists, u have also b een repeatedly invalidated by ur environment irl which made u a narc and an IEI was nice to u

[Alive]

im literally a self proclaimed narcissist. i think i know an ESI narcissist, but not an EII, someone suggested an EII who might be tho. im saying u are a narcissist bc u kinda VI as one nad u use the flat logic distorted thinking thats common for narcisists, u have also b een repeatedly invalidated by ur environment irl which made u a narc and an IEI was nice to u

It's a bit difficult to understand your writing style tbh but I see myself more as arrogant. Just spend a lot of time studying this theory and I don't have a big tolerance for mistakes I guess. I personally wish my interest was more in objective fields, as nothing can be proved with this theory, which is quite annoying.

[nifl]

im not really sure if this guy is ILE. i wanted opinions, i dont see why a logical type wouldn't do it and i suspect you might be mistaking logic with narcissism.

he seems intuitive, maybe extraverted. not sure about the rest

[Emily]

Why would a logical type upload a video of himself crying on camera? Seems IEI

4 So in Enneagram usually do this regardless of whether they're ethicals or logicals
My guess is that he might be a 4 Sp/So or have 4 as a fix , given that he doesn't have the visual So signs and looks more like Sp


My friend's friend was a logical type and 4 So in enneagram , from what I have heard about him, he keeps complaining about his problems but if you get closer to him you will find that he is bad at ethical functions and more of Ti

Other reasons may include seeking attention in any way , dunno about other reasons

[mr provocateur]

Probably LII

[Averroes]

ESE

[Alive]

Ludwig is an IEI

[godslave]

Probably LII

She's a fellow Hikikomori !

I disagree with her SPD diagnosis (I've watch some of her stuff). I have a lot of commun with her (esp her facial expression, mimics and thinking style) but her energy level seems on steroid compare to mine (although around people I trust I can be a bit like her ). I considered SPD as possible for me at some point but even if I fit most of the criteria ( I'm ( cyclically) Hikikomori since 1996 !! ) I dismissed it. Also, I'm not Fe PolR and I kinda associate SPD with that Fe PolR-ish vibe (flat affect).

This one is very useful (esp from 13:24)




I don't buy that overt/covert presentation DestroyerMariko talked about, I think it's her confirmation bias speaking. A schizoid person would seldom have the impulse to make videos on youtube because SPD doesn't seek or need Social interactions. She's quite prolific in terms of posting videos. The "I'm just talking to a camera" explanation is not convincing. She also has been in several therapy and changed psychologist which is something a Schizoid person would not do, they almost never consult a Mental health pro. I understand the relief of having found a satisfying answer to her "What's wrong with me ?" journey (My quest on that journey is still going on !). I mean I was satisfied too back in 2015 when I told my cousin that I have SPD, and then with time I progressively changed my mind as I learned more about PD and that self diagnosis didn't felt right anymore. I feel like that lady is in denial of her suffering and just hide behind that diagnosis, it's rationalisation. Maybe one day she'll be on this forum and want to find out her sociotype, who knows ?

Anyway, she's way too expressive (heavy on the Fe) for having an LII TIM. Maybe ILE would make more sense If she's a thinking type.
she promotes her channel pretty well and the fact that she's a bit business like makes her Te shine a lot more than an LII would (compare her to Ben Vaserlan for instance). One could say that she is kinda self-dualized and that's why her Fe is more apparent or that she has an Fe accentuation Idk. She seems to have a bit of ADHD, and she talks about Tangenting a lot and losing her train of thought. (She reminds me Leon Tsao from Type Tips.). Maybe I'll investigate more.

[Alive]

DestroyerMariko is way too expressive to be LII. Blue hair, Ni base hoarding tendencies... she's an IEI

I think a characteristic of LII is that we are very secretitive and barely share anything about our life with others, meaning that you can know an LII for years and still don't know much about their private life. This type doesn't go on youtube to share their life story.

[mr provocateur]

She's a fellow Hikikomori !

I disagree with her SPD diagnosis (I've watch some of her stuff). I have a lot of commun with her (esp her facial expression, mimics and thinking style) but her energy level seems on steroid compare to mine (although around people I trust I can be a bit like her ). I considered SPD as possible for me at some point but even if I fit most of the criteria ( I'm ( cyclically) Hikikomori since 1996 !! ) I dismissed it. Also, I'm not Fe PolR and I kinda associate SPD with that Fe PolR-ish vibe (flat affect).

This one is very useful (esp from 13:24)




I don't buy that overt/covert presentation DestroyerMariko talked about, I think it's her confirmation bias speaking. A schizoid person would seldom have the impulse to make videos on youtube because SPD doesn't seek or need Social interactions. She's quite prolific in terms of posting videos. The "I'm just talking to a camera" explanation is not convincing. She also has been in several therapy and changed psychologist which is something a Schizoid person would not do, they almost never consult a Mental health pro. I understand the relief of having found a satisfying answer to her "What's wrong with me ?" journey (My quest on that journey is still going on !). I mean I was satisfied too back in 2015 when I told my cousin that I have SPD, and then with time I progressively changed my mind as I learned more about PD and that self diagnosis didn't felt right anymore. I feel like that lady is in denial of her suffering and just hide behind that diagnosis, it's rationalisation. Maybe one day she'll be on this forum and want to find out her sociotype, who knows ?

Anyway, she's way too expressive (heavy on the Fe) for having an LII TIM. Maybe ILE would make more sense If she's a thinking type.
she promotes her channel pretty well and the fact that she's a bit business like makes her Te shine a lot more than an LII would (compare her to Ben Vaserlan for instance). One could say that she is kinda self-dualized and that's why her Fe is more apparent or that she has an Fe accentuation Idk. She seems to have a bit of ADHD, and she talks about Tangenting a lot and losing her train of thought. (She reminds me Leon Tsao from Type Tips.). Maybe I'll investigate more.

Well, if she lives with her parents and has no friends, no job... I think it sort of checks out. Because it is a PD and it should be about what and why stuff goes wrong rather than having a type - pragmatically. Could she be ILE? I think there is something very Ti and Ne valuing going on. There is a lot of Ne in the air.

[godslave]

Well, if she lives with her parents and has no friends, no job... I think it sort of checks out. Because it is a PD and it should be about what and why stuff goes wrong rather than having a type - pragmatically. Could she be ILE? I think there is something very Ti and Ne valuing going on. There is a lot of Ne in the air.

Yes, I like that expression !!

It's possible that my own biases lead me to think that the "Hikikomori" diagnosis (even if it's not an official one) is somehow more acceptable or "cool" than the barbaric Schizoid Personality Disorder denomination which sounds like a sequel to an 80's horror movie to me ! This lady has a similar life to mine (I had my own apartment at age 42 !) even if like I said my Hikikomori-ness is cyclical almost bi-polar-ish (I lived between two countries for more than 20 years, one in which I am Hikikomori, and one in which I'm not, weird but true !). Quite frankly to recognize a mental health issue is scary to me, even if SPD is more a psychological construct that a real "disease" the prognostic can be scary since it can lead under certain condition to schizophrenic episodes. I've always been fascinated and scared to death by the so called "den of madness". Maybe my curiosity for psychology and morbid interest in understanding crazy people's mind (like evil people, serial killers etc) come from that fear, Idk.

I don't know if it's related but I'll share this little anecdote. When I woke up from Coma (due to Asthma Attack) back in 1996 I had a psychotic episode that last for about three days. I was hallucinating, had paranoid delusions. To the point where my doctor seriously considered admitting me to the psychiatric ward on the floor below, but he finally didn't . I came up with a conspiracy (theory) against the hospital nurses (yeah, I know !). I was the only one who could see in their faces some stuff revealing their true nature (à la "they live"). Those nurses in my delusion, were involved in an organ trafficking, and they wanted to poison me so that I die and they would take my organs. I drove the old man with whom I shared the room crazy, to the point that he asked for changing room and he did. My God , that was horrible ! If I have SPD (I don't think so but I'm not a Mental health pro after all !) I hope that the delusion/ schizophrenic episode is behind me and never come again, it hasn't so far (or maybe once, when I had an issue with my ex-sister in law but that's another story !!).

PS. Sorry for having turning this around my little person !

[mr provocateur]

Yes, I like that expression !!

It's possible that my own biases lead me to think that the "Hikikomori" diagnosis (even if it's not an official one) is somehow more acceptable or "cool" than the barbaric Schizoid Personality Disorder denomination which sounds like a sequel to an 80's horror movie to me ! This lady has a similar life to mine (I had my own apartment at age 42 !) even if like I said my Hikikomori-ness is cyclical almost bi-polar-ish (I lived between two countries for more than 20 years, one in which I am Hikikomori, and one in which I'm not, weird but true !). Quite frankly to recognize a mental health issue is scary to me, even if SPD is more a psychological construct that a real "disease" the prognostic can be scary since it can lead under certain condition to schizophrenic episodes. I've always been fascinated and scared to death by the so called "den of madness". Maybe my curiosity for psychology and morbid interest in understanding crazy people's mind (like evil people, serial killers etc) come from that fear, Idk.

I don't know if it's related but I'll share this little anecdote. When I woke up from Coma (due to Asthma Attack) back in 1996 I had a psychotic episode that last for about three days. I was hallucinating, had paranoid delusions. To the point where my doctor seriously considered admitting me to the psychiatric ward on the floor below, but he finally didn't . I came up with a conspiracy (theory) against the hospital nurses (yeah, I know !). I was the only one who could see in their faces some stuff revealing their true nature (à la "they live"). Those nurses in my delusion, were involved in an organ trafficking, and they wanted to poison me so that I die and they would take my organs. I drove the old man with whom I shared the room crazy, to the point that he asked for changing room and he did. My God , that was horrible ! If I have SPD (I don't think so but I'm not a Mental health pro after all !) I hope that the delusion/ schizophrenic episode is behind me and never come again, it hasn't so far (or maybe once, when I had an issue with my ex-sister in law but that's another story !!).

PS. Sorry for having turning this around my little person !

It is interesting to me that people people can become like this. I'm not capable of it. I'm very objective. My conspiracy theory is that mother nature tricks us to live mindlessly in order to survive by her terms (a metaphor control us).

[Sol]

Anastasiya Borodina - ISFP

[godslave]

Anastasiya Borodina - ISFP

I have the weird tendency or naivety to believe that a lot of Tarot, astrology and spiritism aficionados are Si leads. Ni being their role function, that would make sense. They give psychological comfort to people through the lens of Ni too. We can see a lot of ASMR SEI youtubers practicing a lot of Ni stuff, in fact Ni "social adaptation/incarnation" is very expected from Si doms (most people don't achieve their social mission and make do with social adaptation) . Likewise,I have the tendency or naivety to expect an Si social incarnation from Ni leads.

[Alive]

I have the weird tendency or naivety to believe that a lot of Tarot, astrology and spiritism aficionados are Si leads. Ni being their role function, that would make sense. They give psychological comfort to people through the lens of Ni too. We can see a lot of ASMR SEI youtubers practicing a lot of Ni stuff, in fact Ni "social adaptation/incarnation" is very expected from Si doms (most people don't achieve their social mission and make do with social adaptation) . Likewise,I have the tendency or naivety to expect an Si social incarnation from Ni leads.

I think it's the other way around. All these astrology/spiritualism channels are done by Ni base types

[Sol]

I have the weird tendency or naivety to believe that a lot of Tarot, astrology and spiritism aficionados are Si leads

In guessing for other people helps besides N - to have F. What allows to say the info by interesting and lesser negative style.
So for SF types the effect of weaker N is reduced. P types are easier to mess with doubtful occupations. SEI and SEE can be not rare.
Most common types significantly interested in own guessing should be Ni. In guessing for others - Ni-F. Concrete ratios of different types is hard to say.

> We can see a lot of ASMR SEI youtubers practicing a lot of Ni stuff

ASMR uses S methods. and F to calm

> in fact Ni "social adaptation/incarnation" is very expected from Si doms

Socially useful activity goes mainly by 1-2 functions and other strong. Activity in weak nonvalued region is small and not stable, in common. Role function is about "to show" and not be used indeed or much. I recommend to get from model A only strong and valued functions, as other is doubtful and often is applied incorrectly.
Above is the explanation why SEI is not very rare in Tarot channels.

[nifl]

Carlotta von Falkenhayn - ILE

[Sol]

Taylor Tomlinson - ESFJ


Kristin Coaching - ISFP

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

LII

[Emily]

https://youtu.be/4fPI6hUgeJo

ILE ‽

[Sol]

https://youtu.be/4fPI6hUgeJo

ILE ‽

IEE

[Emily]

IEE

Thought about it as second possible but I saw no signs of Fi in him

[Sol]

Thought about it as second possible but I saw no signs of Fi in him

He's emotional in nonverbal to do not suppose T. For ENFP gives common impressions.
Use intuitive nonverbal approach, - there are all "signes".

example of ENFP - Moritz Bleibtreu

[mr provocateur]

Michael Malice ILE

[mr provocateur]

Vincent Racaniello LII

[chriscorey]

ILE "get out of the line"

[Alonzo]

Pedro Pascal: frequently plays LSI/SLI type roles, but in actuality, is a God Tier SEI

[Sol]

Pedro Pascal - ISFP

[mr provocateur]

Peter Singer - LII

[Alive]

why would an LII, having Fi Role, give a presentation about the ethics of factory farming? I don't eat meat because it's the rational thing to do. it doesn't require much thought to see that animal farming is pretty horrible and countless serious studies show that meat consumptions is pretty bad for your health long-term, even if most people see a short term benefit that makes them think it's great. I can see the ethical side of the argument, but only after ofher people pointed it out and I would never give a presentation on it, while also citing various philosophers who are Ni base. I personally don't care much for animals, but I also do not need to harm them when there's other alternatives that you can easily eat just as well.

[Sol]

animal farming is pretty horrible and countless serious studies show that meat consumptions is pretty bad for your health

Meat is among main kinds of food for homo. More of meat, high callories in animals, was among reasons which allowed to develop brain more than primates which kept higher % of vegetable food.

The task of "countless studies" is either reduce food for people to reduce their quantity, physical and mental abbilities (as those need callories). And/or to change the food to kinds lesser taking of resources in production, and mb doubtful to be better for health or in a taste.

There are cultures with higher % of meat in food. Such cases show the limits which are safe for people health.

[mr provocateur]

why would an LII, having Fi Role, give a presentation about the ethics of factory farming? I don't eat meat because it's the rational thing to do. it doesn't require much thought to see that animal farming is pretty horrible and countless serious studies show that meat consumptions is pretty bad for your health long-term, even if most people see a short term benefit that makes them think it's great. I can see the ethical side of the argument, but only after ofher people pointed it out and I would never give a presentation on it, while also citing various philosophers who are Ni base. I personally don't care much for animals, but I also do not need to harm them when there's other alternatives that you can easily eat just as well.

Absolutely no talk about relations. Hence not ethics but like Kant systematizing ethics. He actually has exhaustive list of scientific facts around the topic he refers to.