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    Quote Originally Posted by COOL AND MANLY View Post
    Why do you think Boris Johnson is ILE?
    has been a while since I've typed him.

    "As a kid I was extremely spotty, extremely nerdy and horribly swotty. My idea of a really good time was to travel across London on the tube to visit the British Museum."

    https://youtu.be/3hRwnXmdRCo

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    has been a while since I've typed him.

    "As a kid I was extremely spotty, extremely nerdy and horribly swotty. My idea of a really good time was to travel across London on the tube to visit the British Museum."

    https://youtu.be/3hRwnXmdRCo
    That seems lacking.

    You should probably put your thoughts in writing somewhere, for your reference and others.

    It's kind of hard to judge the accuracy of a type without any clear reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COOL AND MANLY View Post
    That seems lacking.

    You should probably put your thoughts in writing somewhere, for your reference and others.

    It's kind of hard to judge the accuracy of a typing without any clear reasoning.
    I mention on my website that my typings are my own impressions that I get from my experience with socionics. I type a huge variety of people, often thinking about the type of several dozens of people every day. it would be hard for me to write it all down. I only include examples in my list when I'm relatively sure about a person's type (and I remove examples when someone makes me doubt about a a certain example), but it's your decision whether you want to trust my typings or not. I discussed Johnson's type with a couple of ILE friends a while ago and they all agreed with my assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I mention on my website that my typings are my own impressions that I get from my experience with socionics. I type a huge variety of people, often thinking about the type of several dozens of people every day. it would be hard for me to write it all down. I only include examples in my list when I'm relatively sure about a person's type (and I remove examples when someone makes me doubt about a a certain example), but it's your decision whether you want to trust my typings or not. I discussed Johnson's type with a couple of ILE friends a while ago and they all agreed with my assessment.
    I understand. I think that is the fault of most type examples I have seen. Very few actually bother to elaborate. I'm not really interested in impressions. I want to know your thought process so to speak.

    I realize that is easier said than done.

    Cheers.

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    ILE-Ti: Zach Galifianakis



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    Audrey Coyne - normalising SEI




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    An Enthusiast(ESFj). His strong reliable functions are E and F - ethics of emotions + forceful sensation. It stands for «Emotional pressure». ESE’s goal in the socion is to engage people to new activities by overcoming their indifference.


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    LII-ESE interaction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    LII-ESE interaction


    Bad boys and the girls that like them include some of the dumbest people our species has to offer.
    Important to note! People who share "indentical" socionics TIMs won't necessarily appear to be very similar, since they have have different backgrounds, experiences, capabilities, genetics, as well as different types in other typological systems (enneagram, instinctual variants, etc.) all of which also have a sway on compatibility and identification. Thus, Socionics type "identicals" won't necessarily be identical i.e. highly similar to each other, and not all people of "dual" types will seem interesting, attractive and appealing to each other.

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    Bad boi LII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    Bad boi LII.
    I've looked a bit at the interview and his appearance. seems highly unlikely to me that he's an LII. I would say Se valuing.

    Emmy Cho - ESE


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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I've looked a bit at the interview and his appearance. seems highly unlikely to me that he's an LII. I would say Se valuing.

    Emmy Cho - ESE

    Must have some salmiakki in Turkish pepper form...
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    Emmy Cho - ESE

    Alpha SF is right, but why ESE? I've seen a few videos from her and my impression is SEI for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Alpha SF is right, but why ESE? I've seen a few videos from her and my impression is SEI for her.
    hmm I think it's a good suggestion. I haven't really seen many of her videos and I mostly focused on the ones in which she talks about herself, like this one for example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDcl8Jo2tYg

    I personally got the impression that she's a normalising ESE, but SEI could make sense too. thanks for pointing it out.

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    she lacks completely ESE turbulence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    she lacks completely ESE turbulence.
    I've send a link of her channel to an ILE friend this afternoon and he wrote me that he likes how she can describe sensations in such detail even when she thinks they’re really unpleasant. It’s fun to see how her Ne manifests itself. Lots of exploration but within a very narrow space (fun foods).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aentw8i0kx4

    in this video she looks like she could assist an ILE in his underground laboratory.
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    Lee "Scratch" Perry: ILE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dauphin View Post

    Lee "Scratch" Perry: ILE

    https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...ientist-65011/

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    Lee Perry seems like an EIE to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    Lee Perry seems like an EIE to me.
    Yeah probably ,Snoop Dogg also EIE

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    Older XLE dont talk to much

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...averted_Ethics
    Fe as activating function in ILE (ENTp; Don Quixote) and SLE (ESTp; Zhukov)
    For this person it is important that everyone is positively predisposed towards him. He does not like ambiguity in this matter and will strive to clarify the situation: "Lets get this straight - do you respect me or not?" Even small changes can bring about these clarification attempts: different facial expression, gaze, and so on. Often with age he becomes a good psychologists as it allows him to keep up his self-esteem. Fixed on the attitude of certain people and ignores the "public opinion". Very fond of social recognition: honor, glory, respect, diplomas, regalia, etc. For the sake of good relations can even work for free. Can offer to help out of sense of camaraderie. If there is someone in his surrounding who shows negative feelings towards him, it decreases his self-esteem. In active defense, he will try to win the good attitude of this person at any cost, in passive defense, on the contrary, may admit to behaving poorly. If positive relations do not exist, he can try to fix them at any price, or conversely, fall into avoidance upon realizing the impossibility of changing anything. Fond of flattery, is ready to support any opinion as well as come to compromise only to keep the positive predisposition towards himself. If he does not agree with someone, can conduct conversation very diplomatically. Communicating with people of this type one can feel internal tension associated with fear of evoking negative response. Often they will think ten times before saying anything, as if it is an important task. Move up the career ladder often due to their ability to be considerate of others.
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    Joana Ceddia - ILE

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    Joana Ceddia - ILE
    Socionics Type Profiles by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov
    IEE (Huxley)
    IEE, ENFp (Intuitive-Ethical Extravert): INSPIRER

    Appearance: IEE's eyes are mobile and expressive. They reflect well his internal emotional state and its relation to others. Their expression is very variable. Gaze frequently is scattered, but it becomes penetrating and deep when it is focused on the interlocutor. Usually benevolent, merry and even coquettish, under the effect of the emotions it can become strained and angry. The mimicry of face corresponds to IEE's emotional state. Emotions of IEE are very variable; therefore his mimicry is diverse - from infectious laughter to strong indignation, from ecstasy to quiet pensiveness. Frequently his face has a removed, dreamy expression. Smile appears easily and naturally on face of IEE. Sometimes he will express encouragement even if at that moment he has to voice unpleasant things. Usually around people he acts as an optimist; thus if in poor spirits, his smile and expression of eyes will not coincide. Intonations of voice will also betray his internal state. Movements are gusty, impulsive, uninhibited. Pose is free and unconstrained, sometimes somewhat theatrical, especially if he feels that he is being watched. Gait a little loose or uncoordinated. He walks rapidly, with lightness, frequently bumping into obstacles. Manners of behavior is simple and natural, but it is a little demonstrative. He does not like touch and familiarity. Skillfully regulates distance in interactions.

    4. Symbol l.gif Introverted Logic
    IEEs tend to have a difficult time describing a concept or system in a manner in which the essential facts are all that is needed to understand or describe it. The IEE's focus in describing a concept or system is in how they themselves came to understand and see what they are describing. If an IEE is asked to describe or explain something, their natural tendency is to describe the pieces of the concept, system or idea that are related to the subject as a foundation before explaining the actual concept itself. The IEE will often describe details or aspects of a system that are unnecessary to the understanding of the system's properties, but the IEE views these details as essential functions of a sequential system (as opposed to describing the concept or system and only the concept or system as an independent entity). In other words, even if a detail is deemed outside of the IEE as extraneous, the IEE that is describing it will see it as a vital and significant part of a chain in order to paint the full, "proper" picture of the system the IEE wants to describe. An IEE will tend to start off explanations with a tremendous amount of detail, energy and patience and will move towards a more general explanation as they tire out (if they tire out). If something in the IEE's chain is broken or questioned, the description (in the IEE's mind) halts or falls apart.

    When an IEE understands a logical concept or system, they are much better at describing anecdotal experiences with the concept or system that help to illustrate the concept or system. They would prefer to do this rather than describing the concept or system as described in the previous paragraph -- describe the essential facts of a concept or system.

    IEEs will demonstrate inconsistent behavioral patterns to the objective, outside world. But to the IEE, these behavioral patterns are as a result of a relativist view of how they make their decisions. For example, an IEE might be steadfastly against going to a particular branch of a bank to deposit a check that is easily accessible and only 2 miles away, but is perfectly content going to a different branch of the same bank that is 25 miles away and requires a roundabout route to get there. To the outside world this would not make sense; why not just go to the branch that is easier to access that can handle the same function? But to the IEE, this does not matter. Something at the closer branch bothers the IEE enough to justify going to the further one. Maybe a particular person works there that the IEE wants to avoid, maybe one time the IEE did something embarrassing while at the closer branch and they are embarrassed to show their face again. Regardless of the reason, the IEE will justify circumstances to dictate the decisions they make in their behavioral patterns.

    Wikisocion
    Introverted Logic
    The IEE is keenly aware of societal structures and affiliations that they belong to. These structures can be small entities such as "family" and large entities such as "political affiliation". As such, an IEE will naturally speculate about how these societal structures they belong to would interact if they mingled . With a propensity to be involved in a diverse number of interests, IEEs find themselves in a position where they would deem that members of certain societal structures would clash if they met. This will, at times, cause IEEs to hide their affiliations to parties that they feel might cause scrutiny or criticism of their affiliations. They would rather not be judged by others based on their affiliations. Also, if an IEE is cast into an "incorrect" category, this can cause deep wounds in the IEE especially if the IEE believes that the person doing the casting will not change their position about the IEE's affiliation, and as a result of that, believes it to be a negatively connoted statement of their own character.

    Extraverted Logic
    The IEE is keen on accumulating factual knowledge on subjects of personal interest and those that help him be more efficient and productive, but he's often unsure of his ability to find and select the correct information and is therefore attracted to people whom he sees as competent in that area and reassure him. He prizes efficiency, and berates himself secretly for his own inefficiency. He takes care to explain the justifications behind his actions. He loves accumulating and sharing trivia to make himself seem educated. IEEs believe firmly that knowledge should be shared freely. Asking an IEE to keep a secret is a burden on him. He can also be a little too trusting of information sources, because spreading falsehood is seen as a foreign and repulsive idea. IEEs love scientific and mathematic concepts, but practical application will soon bore them.

    Socionics Type Descriptions by Filatova
    Ti – Vulnerable function. Represents “working activity” and always supposes a definite organization. By this is meant punctuality, the function of responsibilities, instruction, regulation, the hierarchy of subordination, accountability… And these are all which serve to drive the IEE away – any weighty framework that dictates to her “to fulfill responsibilities.” Her creativity sees nothing as predetermined. Therefore it is especially important that she find work in which her gifts are revealed.

    The nontrivial course of thoughts characteristic for many representatives of this psycho-type may lead them to realize themselves in scientific research work, where with ease they propose unexpected views on problems. However, they poorly respond to manual labor and logical analysis. Anything that requires they be thorough and systematic in their investigations will lead them to quickly tire. They prefer to hand these aspects of scientific work to others and instead assume the role of “generator of ideas.” However, when they fail to find creative work, in which something new can always be seen, their previously indefatigable inquisitiveness severely weakens.

    After having tried 10 – 15 different specialties she may prove to be without anything, to have attained nothing in life, the entirety of her talent gone unrealized. After completing necessary preparations in a new project, if she sees something, which she finds more attractive, she may throw away everything. She prefers not to plan, but to improvise; it is dangerous to rely on her business qualities for she can get caught up in the moment.

    She doesn’t respond well to templates and standards. IEE recognizes no formal subordination, feels no piety towards authorities; this may lead to trouble. The observations of authorities, especially if they, in her opinion, are wrong, are answered to sharply disregarding of who they are. It is therefore understandable that she is not at place in conditions subordinate to strict authority.



    Socionics Type Descriptions by Weisband and Aushra
    IEE - ENFp (Ne,Fi)
    Thomas Henry Huxley - the famous English biologist and comparative anatomist.
    Another pseudonym of this type: Tom Sawyer - a hero of Mark Twain's book.

    1. An ardent enthusiast. He is a highly spiritual, artistic individual. The Psychologist quickly resolves any personal problems, always relying upon his talent for immediate improvisation instead of preparing the work in advance. He loves situations when new and exciting undertakings come up, when it is possible to demonstrate his own and others’ talents; when one can still expect the most unusual development of events.

    2. A Don Juan. He gauges various virtues and talents in the people he meets and cannot hold back from reporting his observations to them with great enthusiasm. Often other people mistake his dramatic display of emotions for his real feelings, which earns him the reputation of a Don Juan. In fact, he is quite conservative in his feelings, attached to a close circle of his friends, whose opinions hold great weight for him and totally determine his mood, behavior, and knowledge. If he really is a playboy, he does not hide it.

    3. Sensitive. His speech is often romantic, his smiles are enticing, but very often that’s as far as it goes. His motto is ‘emotional power over all and sexual freedom from all’.

    4. "Modest". As a rule, he is not ambitious, because he can enjoy the circle of his friends and the anticipation of something interesting. Unlike The Politician, who likes to be an obvious ruler of the situation, he prefers to be its covert ruler. And his influence is directed first of all towards making other people reveal their skills and talents.

    5. A scientist. He is sensitive about how others evaluate his mental skills. Often he strives to get a degree in higher learning, achieve scientific recognition and awards: this gives him the opportunity to work with a clear conscience (without having to doubt his qualifications). He is touchy when other people criticize ideas that he holds dear, or deny him and his friends’ talents. This is why he prefers the company of those who share his beliefs.


    6. A person of mood. His mood determines everything: plans for the future, self-estimation, and ideas about the world. Ambitious plans can change to disappointment and sadness; but interesting news, praise, or an unexpected interesting opportunity immediately lifts his spirits. Boredom can even make him ill.

    7. Altruistic. He is ready to help other people in solving their personal problems. The greatest pleasure for him is to find a way out from the situation that others consider hopeless. He is capable of demonstrating friendliness and benevolence to all. However, he saves his real efforts for about whom he is serious, and in this case he does much more than people ever expect from him and more than he himself promises.

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    @karas: I'm open about her being an IEE, but I don't find your arguments helpful here, especially since the bold text passages can apply to ILE too. it would be better if you shortly explain your reasoning instead of posting these walls of text (you have Ti for a reason, just keep it short). I think the most obvious thing that you can observe is Ne, but it's now important to figure out if she sees hidden motivations in others, how people present themselves. I've already seen the videos of "type tips" but I can't really take Filatova's black and white pictures very seriously. I also barely focus on VI, because of my vulnerable Se.

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    @soundofconfusion

    If you need external validation (Te) look Tobuscus (IEE) channel ,very similiar



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    Note:INTj=LII Ne-Ti , ESTp SLE Se-Ti
    Full vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nshHCycft4A

    Ti as creative function in ILE (ENTp; Don Quixote) and SLE (ESTp; Zhukov)
    Likes to deliver long, detailed, creative explanations, excellent teacher or instructor, "I will explain for as long as they will listen, until I'm 100% sure that everyone understood everything." Asking him a question sometimes you will be listening to an answer for hours. Sometimes he simply looks for someone to speak about his understanding of something (escaping such a situation can be difficult, unless one tells him so directly). Something similar can be observed with objective logic, Te, as a second function, but here the emphasis is not on providing facts but rather on others gaining an understanding. For this reason, at times his explanations are simplified and delivered as if for little children. Such person is constantly looking for an audience with questions, but he explains material not in terms of knowledge, but from the standpoint of how he understands it, that is more lucidly and meticulously. He may gravitate towards a field where something has not been studied and understood before, may start exploring unknown for him spheres in which he has no qualifications, since this will allows him to develop and expand the scope of "understanding", which is very tempting for Ti as creative function.

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...roverted_Logic
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    Regarding V.I. I see pictures of famous people paraded all over Socionic sites typed all things from Alpha to Delta. Are there any certain visual cues to spot a ILE or an LII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Regarding V.I. I see pictures of famous people paraded all over Socionic sites typed all things from Alpha to Delta. Are there any certain visual cues to spot a ILE or an LII?
    I believe so, but I can’t explain what they are. It mostly comes from training.

    I think a facial recognition program tied to a feedback loop of correct types could do VI, but no one has done this yet.

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    Joana could be ENF type but I have not seen her interaction so I leave it undecided. Anyway she describes actions not theoretics which makes me doubtful of Ti ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I believe so, but I can’t explain what they are. It mostly comes from training.

    I think a facial recognition program tied to a feedback loop of correct types could do VI, but no one has done this yet.
    Oh, I surely see a trend in all these photos, but what I'm really intrigued by is if these correlate to reality 100%. Otherwise we might fall into stereotypes: are all lanky men with high-rooted nose, crazy hair and glasses LIEs, etc?

    I find that I can recognize one or two types IRL, but the person has to be the posterchild for the type, his traits so bright that s/he can't be anything else. The problem for me is that most people fall in the middle to my eyes.
    This a nice website based on Myers- Briggs that not only includes pictures but a long list of expressions and bodily movements a certain type might engage in: https://junglove.net/category/how-to-spot/

    (in Socionics one can find only a few lines related to this. In English at least). A collective compendium of this sort would be nice.

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    one thing to keep in mind when it comes to VI is that there are 7,8 billion people on this planet, and most galleries contain maybe a couple of hundred examples, so it's very hard to apply it in real life.

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    lol ,i just trying to show you the type smile they have .

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    ESE outdoorsman

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    ESE outdoorsman
    What's the push for ESE over LSE here? Cause I'd type LSE and could easily overlook the intensity of expression as not being Fe base.

    The only thing that stands out as ESE over LSE is that disorganized shop. LSE tend to be organized and all tools have a home/place.

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    ILE-LII the line is thin here..

    You see lots of Fe and appeal for dual info. You see lots of weak ethics and Fi-polr. You see group drug use. You see plenty of Ne discussions surrounding drug use. You see Si type trips 'cozy in a blanket, trip baby sitters ect...'








    Here is the newest video. Notice how burned out he seems with some weak Fi-polr stuff here.



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    Okay so what does it mean when you read about Alphas and group drug use.

    Check out these videos they visually help explain how and what it looks like.

    I've been to this festival many years ago.. lots of alphas all over. Lots of betas as well, lots of gammas, and many sporadic deltas (the more adventurous versions.) Plenty of Si boom boom boom Lights, sensations, oh and drugs. I grew out of that age and stage a long time ago. I was never really in it actually. But, I think its notable.







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    The Festival is not totally as lame as those interviews make it look. Its compared to Burning Man, and even more off the hook (naked titties are legal here).

    Wow, lots of tattoos here and not all on Se types..











    I was interested in what the author of Fight Club had to say in his recent Joe Rogan interview. He [paraphrased] said something about the new culture bubbling up amoung under 30's, the old ways dying and he said look to things like Burning Man as the creative inspiration of were youth society is moving. What does the future look like?

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    REcaps.










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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    What's the push for ESE over LSE here? Cause I'd type LSE and could easily overlook the intensity of expression as not being Fe base.

    The only thing that stands out as ESE over LSE is that disorganized shop. LSE tend to be organized and all tools have a home/place.
    He has an expressiveness and an air of friendliness that's not impossible in LSE but much less common than in ESE. The LSEs you can find making similar content on youtube aren't frequently referring to their audience as "friends". An LSE would focus more on the how's and what's of logging, whereas the man in the vid is pretty much just doing his thing. He seems more focused (consciously or not) on creating a pleasant atmosphere in his videos.

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