Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[nifl]

Doctor Mike - ethical, mb IEE

[Tallmo]

ESE !

Two famous Swedish ESE. Mother and daughter. Bianca (the daughter) is a clear Dominant subtype. Pernillla (mother) is probably Harmonizing. They talk about what kind of foods Bianca has in the kitchen etc.

The difference is obvious. Sorry no subtitles.

[nifl]

Pernilla - some ethical type, mainly thinking about EIE, IEE, SEI
Bianca - intuitive logician, excluding LII. first thought was ILE

[Tallmo]

Pernilla - some ethical type, mainly thinking about EIE, IEE, SEI
Bianca - intuitive logician, excluding LII. first thought was ILE

They are both ESE. Bianca, the young one, is so obious D-ESE if you for example watch her youtube channels. Also, knowing Swedish helps. The subtype is also very strong in her and she can be a very demanding and judgemental person. Pernilla is introverted subtype, but having seen quite a lot of her in television ESE is the most likely.

[nifl]

They are both ESE. Bianca, the young one, is so obious D-ESE if you for example watch her youtube channels. Also, knowing Swedish helps. The subtype is also very strong in her and she can be a very demanding and judgemental person. Pernilla is introverted subtype, but having seen quite a lot of her in television ESE is the most likely.

Bianca is obviously not very emotional - look at her face when she is being ''interviewed'', although the clip isn't long.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Mother seems Ni and ethical, probably Beta NF. dunno about the daughter, but likely also intuitive. Their facial expressions aren't soft and inviting. That's what I associate with alpha



This person is ESE imo

[Tallmo]

Bianca is obviously not very emotional - look at her face when she is being ''interviewed'', although the clip isn't long.

I know exactly what you mean. But Fe is not necessarily "emotional" when it's developed. It's more like a strong value judgement. And basically everything she says is judging in some way. It can be emotionally restricted even though the attitude is very strong and extraverted. It's hard to explain but imo it is not correct to say that Feeling = emotions, even when extraverted. Some of the Socionics descriptions of Fe are slightly misleading. Bianca has pronounced rationality, EJ type + EJ subtype. Besides, Bianca is often emotional in other videos.

There are tons of videos of her if you want to type her. You might find some in English also. Bianca Ingrosso. She's an influencer marketing cosmetics and clothes or something like that.

[nifl]

This clip

alpha concentration is pretty high.

Kate Micucci - probably IEE
IEI is the other possibility

[Rusal]

mb ILE
more distant chance for IEE mb.

[The Reality Denialist]

ESE scientist as per SHS

[nifl]

Nikolay Drozdov - not Si ego

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Nikolay Drozdov - not Si ego

agreed. I think using a tiger's roar as a substitute for your words to get a message across is a very creative idea which indicates intuition. warning humanity what will happen in the future also indicates intuition of time, so I would say IEI.

[Rusal]

agreed. I think using a tiger's roar as a substitute for your words to get a message across is a very creative idea which indicates intuition. warning humanity what will happen in the future also indicates intuition of time, so I would say IEI.

If you're not Ni ego how do you explain your concern with global warming and the future of the planet?

The same applies to ESEs: they have good sense of mannerisms and a playful goofiness. I've experienced it. You don't need to be a Ni ego to have a clue of where humanity is heading and put on a little show about it.

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You don't need to be a Ni ego to have a clue of where humanity is heading and put on a little show about it.

I do not understand your thought processes. why would you think a type with Ni as PolR would see or care where humanity is heading far into the future? sensing types are people who are focused on their IMMEDIATE reality by definition, unconcerned what happens in decades or even centuries when global temperatures rise to an abstract number of over 2 degrees warming. are you not noticing that humanity is currently doing absolutely nothing to prevent that? ever talked to a bunch of average people and noticed that they do not care about global warming at all? you seem to think that every type can just casually be everything, a viewpoint I definitely do not share at all.

[Rusal]

I do not understand your thought processes. why would you think a type with Ni as PolR would see or care where humanity is heading far into the future?

Why would a type with Ni demo care about global warming if only Ni egos can and do care about the future of humanity?
Why would a type with Se polr care so much about 'Dominant types' in gyms stepping on all over the rest of the people to the point of having his own theory about it if they're not supposed to care about that sort of thing?
Why would a thinking type care so much about Socionics, a theory about human relationships?
Why would an LII invest so much time and dedication to Socionics, since depth of interest is a "Ni thing"?
Why would an LII get here, a forum about an obscure theory since rabbit holes are a Ni thing?

There are many questions. In answering them honestly, you might find something that you can apply to more than just yourself.

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I can answer them pretty easily, Ni demo is just as strong as Ni base from a purely theoretical perspective, so analyzing far reaching consequences about events is extremly easy for me. literally theoretical knowledge. I do not care about "dominant types" in the gym, and they definitely don't step over people, at least not in germany. most people just wanna excercise in peace. what I do notice is that height is extremly important to economic and dating success based on studies and I like to reflect why that is.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...5.cms?from=mdr

it's not something I am particularly into, but I try to understand why things are the way they are.

I probably would have never even heard about socionics if it wasn't for some threads on 4chan 8 or so years ago. Gulenko has the same type as me. reading his descriptions is extremly pleasant to me. he writes how I would write, which is something that I do not see often in reality, so I got interested in it. like I said, I have Ni demo, which is just as strong as Ni base, so I do like to study things in-depth, but I am also willing to drop things on a whim. the website itself here isn't as interesting to me. I mainly type famous people, and I think many casual discussion here are completely trivial, so I don't frequent certain boards at all. I really don't understand how your questions would change my mind. I do not do typing interviews, I do not sell a bunch of bullshit courses. I am not interested in any kind of material gain, so I don't understand why you would think I value Se. you would think that after studying something for 8 years, I would have long tried a make a business out of it, but I do not care about that at all.

[Rusal]

I can answer them pretty easily, Ni demo is just as strong as Ni base from a purely theoretical perspective, so analyzing far reaching consequences about events is extremly easy for me. literally theoretical knowledge.

Only it's not ‘theoretical knowledge’. It's literally the future of the planet and the living beings in it that moves you. It's not an isolated case: you've invested more into Socionics for a longer period of time than a good number of people here. That's not ‘superficial’ Ne to me going from place to place. That's losing yourself in your hobby. That sounds Ni ego.

I probably would have never even heard about socionics if it wasn't for some threads on 4chan 8 or so years ago. Gulenko has the same type as me. reading his descriptions is extremly pleasant to me.

So, a nerdy kid down a rabbit hole becomes totally invested in an obscure Eastern theory about people and relationships and likes to study celebrities, the rich and the famous (Se suggestive). Of course you like IEI Gulenko, since he has the same type as you, just like your little preference for IEIs: he has dedicated his whole life to this (Ni), makes abstractions from data and archetypes (Ni), has made a business out of it (Ni, Se), dedicates a good chunk of his book on how to improve yourself and your relationship with others (ethical, interested in people and their development), he's become the peak figure in the Socionics environment (his interest in improving himself over the years to become simply the best: Ni, Se). LIIs are Ne valuing types that prefer Si and Fe: a good time with no real vision and jumping from thing to thing. They lack the passion to become totally immersed. You don't care about material gains because you're living to embody an image you've decided to personify. That's what IEIs do

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Gulenko is an IEI? I'm pretty sure he's LII. I suspect most of his team consists of IEI so they are kinda motivating him to actually do something with his knowledge, otherwise he would probably just learn the theory all day and do nothing with it. I don't really care for most of the 'celebritites' I type, but it's nice reflecting on the mind of directors or musicians I like. socionics is just one of many of my hobbies and I research most of it mainly while working, but I could probably abandon it no problem and delete my website. I'm not really emotionally connected to what I'm doing. outside of my gallery I haven't even worked on anything on my website in quite a while. I have abandoned things many times in my life and moved to something that seemed more interesting to me. this also includes people. I think that's a trait for alpha NT due to low Fi.

[Metamorph]

what I do notice is that height is extremly important to economic and dating success based on studies and I like to reflect why that is.

Nutrition.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...5.cms?from=mdr

But when it comes to jobs, other than physical attractiveness and height there are other factors at work as well. Like the colour of your skin or your caste for that matter.

When are you going to start typing black people SEE-H and Asian people LSI-N?

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Nutrition.





When are you going to start typing black people SEE-H and Asian people LSI-N?

I'm waiting for the inevitable post by you claiming that I said it's ok to hit women because I wrote you that men are biologically stronger than women. Already posting >5 messages about me again. See what I mean @one. this girl is obsessed.

[Metamorph]

I'm waiting for the inevitable post by you claiming that I said it's ok to hit women because I wrote you that men are biologically stronger than women. Already posting >5 messages about me again. See what I mean @one

It's OK to hit women sometimes. Is a woman about to stab you to death and you're unarmed and can't run? Defend yourself even if that means hitting her. Don't just die trying to look chivalrous. If you think it's never OK to hit women that's more weird.

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It's OK to hit women sometimes. Is a woman about to stab you to death and you're unarmed and can't run? Defend yourself even if that means hitting her. Don't just die trying to look chivalrous. If you think it's never OK to hit women that's more weird.

I am quite good at avoiding lunatic, crazy women like you in real life, so it's not something I worry about

[Rusal]

Gulenko is an IEI? I'm pretty sure he's LII.

I'm afraid that's just an affirmation. All evidence points to the contrary, like in your case.

I suspect most of his team consists of IEI so they are kinda motivating him to actually do something with his knowledge, otherwise he would probably just learn the theory all day and do nothing with it

Looking into theory all day in his field and interest for 30+ years is still Ni. He'd just be a lazy IEI-N/H unwilling to make something of himself. Ni types go deep.

I don't really care for most of the 'celebritites' I type, but it's nice reflecting on the mind of directors or musicians I like.

On top of all the other signs of Ni, you also like the arts. I could say the same type of things you said: I came to Socionics through skimming the web, I like to guess types of celebrities, etc- That doesn't make me LII.

but I could probably abandon it no problem and delete my website.

You've still gone a distance very few here have: dedication through time, depth of interest. I haven't even started a gallery or translated so much material. There's a lot invested.


A bit off-topic but since we're in the Alpha thread… I see you still have Heidi Klum as ESE.
Every year she goes to her Halloween party dressed as something like this:


Would an ESE wear something that screams OPENNESS and out-thereness?

This time it seems she went as the worm used as bait (she's literally the one on the floor). Would an ESE present such a fantasy-charged scene?

Here's an interview with her: ‘I just wanted to think outside of the box. I want to put a smile on people's faces’.



Her Halloween parties are legendary it seems. Look them up.

She's charming, she's out there and wants to cause an impact dressing like the most shocking and creative characters. No way she's an ESE, right? We might have another IEI-C. I think I like this style of typing. It's like if I focus on a rigid definition for people I don't really know, I'll have the person pegged in no time. Like with Gulenko, who would obviously spend his day jumping from idea to idea not really developing a continuous and deeper interest about human relationships and functions for 30 years and just waiting for an ESE to feed him a cookie if he were an LII. There's no need to look at people more than in passing when you understand Ni. That's in no way lazy. It's just the truth.

[Squirrel]

but I could probably abandon it no problem and delete my website.

Your website is very good actually

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I don't really think Heidi Klum is an ESE anymore. I think a couple of months ago I had the impression that she is intuitive, but I don't have the time to constantly update pictures for every type when I juggle thousand of typings around. I've typed Heidi Klum years ago, I think she was one of the first sensing type examples I decided to add and when you create something like a gallery you pretty much wanna have a prototype of that type to orient yourself and Klum for some reason has been universally agreed on to be ESE so I thought that's a good pick, even though I don't really care about her. What's interesting is that she is notorious for dating older men, which got me suspicious because it's generally victim and childlike types that tend to be drawn to experienced patners. She speaks english very well and her whole appearance seems rather artistic. Her daughter Leni which is often seen in german media looks like an IEI, so I won't be surprised if Heidi Klum has the same type. I think the whole model industry with their exotic fashion shows in paris and milan etc. is very beta NF. their careers are also usually very competitive

Almost all of the sensing types I've identified over 8 years in real life have been so concrete I cannot see them becoming celebrities in creative fields

[nifl]

Heidi Klum is intuitive, mb IXE

[Metamorph]

She's charming, she's out there and wants to cause an impact dressing like the most shocking and creative characters. No way she's an ESE, right? We might have another IEI-C. I think I like this style of typing. It's like if I focus on a rigid definition for people I don't really know, I'll have the person pegged in no time. Like with Gulenko, who would obviously spend his day jumping from idea to idea not really developing a continuous and deeper interest about human relationships and functions for 30 years and just waiting for an ESE to feed him a cookie if he were an LII. There's no need to look at people more than in passing when you understand Ni. That's in no way lazy. It's just the truth.

A woman could never be a C type! If she's brave, strong, bossy, daring, or takes charge, that's just because she's ESE-H clearly! Alive will throw that uppity woman into the wall and break her skull with his stick arms if she doesn't know her place!

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A woman could never be a C type! If she's brave, strong, bossy, daring, or takes charge, that's just because she's ESE-H clearly! Alive will throw that uppity woman into the wall and break her skull with his stick arms if she doesn't know her place!

I think she should be banned, for her own good @one. she will continue to do this no matter how often you warn her. she has nothing in her life. dunno the rules but at a certain point you see that it is pathological. she likely hates herself, as no well-adjusted person no matter the type would engage so much with someone that has zero interest in them. I don't think she can stop on her own.

[Poptart]

Did any of you even watch Project Runway? Heidi is ESE.

[Poptart]

I think she should be banned, for her own good @one. she will continue to do this no matter how often you warn her. she has nothing in her life. dunno the rules but at a certain point you see that it is pathological. she likely hates herself, as no well-adjusted person no matter the type would engage so much with someone that has zero interest in them. I don't think she can stop on her own.

You could try blocking her

[Rusal]

She speaks english very well and her whole appearance seems rather artistic.

IEIs are very creative individuals who want to live in their visions, in their imagination. They create an image in their minds an try to personify it. It's a visionary type, like IEI Gulenko in his field. He outwardly embodies the archetype of what he envisions a serious logical type, what they do, how they present themselves. He wants to become it and live in his vision. That's what IEIs do. Who can deny his type at this point?

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You could try blocking her

oh, I actually already did that but, you know, Coerukeum Blue is one of the most active users here, and I'm not sure if you have noticed, but she has mentioned my profile name quite often. I'm not sure how much you respect yourself, but I am not the kind of person that let's statements like these

Alive will throw that uppity woman into the wall and break her skull with his stick arms if she doesn't know her place!

get posted and just ignores them, at least not when it's done dozens of times in many different threads. I wonder how you would feel @Demon if I would write about you in every thread here claiming some bullshit. you would probably think that's, you know, sexual harrasment or at the very least, you would think that this is creepy and that such a person has serious mental issues. I do not care if people have different opinions, but when someone is just posting bullshit I never said or implied everywhere that gets kinda annoying after a while. moderators seem to agree, as she has been informed to just ignore me too, but that doesn't seem to matter to her.

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Asking mu if you guys can have the option to not be able to interact with each other lol I'm waiting for his reply

it would help more if she was unable to use the word ALIVE as she is not always quoting me but making false statements about me mainly. I would also be willing to change the username as I don't really care about that as long as she can't use my account for false claims

[Metamorph]

it would help more if she was unable to use the word ALIVE as she is not always quoting me but making false statements about me mainly. I would also be willing to change the username as I don't really care about that as long as she can't use my account for false claims

To be banned from making false claims, first I'd have to make false claims. You can't just follow me around the forum and then blame me for having the absolute gall to be interested in typology on a typology site and also gently point out that I think you're aristocratic, ethical, irrational, and not very logical since you mostly think of people as members of groups, and go by gut feelings when typing people so you don't have any ability to explain why you think the things you do. I would be very fine with you not interacting with me, but most of your interactions with me as well as some other users consist in following us around and telling us not to have opinions on things that have nothing to do with you, then spouting group-stereotype nonsense like an aristocratic quadra member. Your name is always in the top 5 on my profile and some other people's profiles who I am friends with and who I can see the visitors to on their profiles. It wouldn't always be there if you weren't following us around. You also show up on threads like the Noam Chomsky thread and the Forum Member Picture Thread right after certain other users post. As I said, it's cute. I don't expect to be able to change your mind on a single thing or to really get you to stop, but I can still point this out and let other people see how I drew this conclusion.

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'To be banned from making false claims, first I'd have to make false claims'

You literally write a bunch of nonsense statements about things I never said. The reason I visit your stupid profile is to see your latest messages to notice "oh cool, another 5 messages about me with her saying shit I never did"

You know what, keep thinking that your stupid unique profile with all the ugly color schemes is special while you lift weights and roam around dangerous streets. Your whole life is a fantasy land, and then you wonder why I type you Ni base.

[Rusal]

I swear sometimes it seems your levels of energy to raise a scandal across multiple threads going on and on about how people stalk you or they are mean to you are more than ok but they just crash when it comes to getting involved in posts more conducive to something of baseline value.

I really don't understand how your questions would change my mind. I do not do typing interviews, I do not sell a bunch of bullshit courses. I am not interested in any kind of material gain, so I don't understand why you would think I value Se. you would think that after studying something for 8 years, I would have long tried a make a business out of it, but I do not care about that at all.

So grown-ass man 'LII' Gulenko only needs gentle nudging from his supposedly IEI team members to overcome his Se polr and Se unvaluing and do the courses and interviews to get his money but even though we don't know who raised Nikolai Drozdov, in what environment and incentives since childhood, he cannot be ESE because he worries about the future of humankind and did a playful video about it because ESEs have Ni polr/don't value it and and are going to be stuck in that state forever?

Looking into theory all day in his field and interest for 30+ years is still Ni. He'd just be a lazy IEI-N/H unwilling to make something of himself. Ni types go deep.

I said that about Gulenko further up. Is there anything wrong with that conclusion?

[godslave]

French SEI

[nifl]

L'Herboriste - mb IEI
SEI is the next most likely version

[godslave]

L'Herboriste - mb IEI
SEI is the next most likely version

Interesting. Why do you think she's a priori most likely IEI and not SEI ? Do you consider that her Si is only 2D (Role) and the fact that in the first video of my post she presented and accurately described the external aspects of a lot of items as 1D Se ? Have you checked out her YT channel ? Her Si seems very sophisticated and creative (In the most common usage of this term) which points to at least a 3D Si (I mean in addition to a clear Ip temperament...). I investigated her YTC a bit and I haven't found anything that could point to Beta Quadra (in fact there is a little tiny touch of Delta) but I'm very curious to know why you do.

[nifl]

Interesting. Why do you think she's a priori most likely IEI and not SEI ? Do you consider that her Si is only 2D (Role) and the fact that in the first video of my post she presented and accurately described the external aspects of a lot of items as 1D Se ? Have you checked out her YT channel ? Her Si seems very sophisticated and creative (In the most common usage of this term) which points to at least a 3D Si (I mean in addition to a clear Ip temperament...). I investigated her YTC a bit and I haven't found anything that could point to Beta Quadra (in fact there is a little tiny touch of Delta) but I'm very curious to know why you do.

my impressions from VI (ego functions, dichotomies, ITR) is how I mainly type on video and, if there's enough and the type is unambiguous, photos
she kind of weirds me out - SEI are somewhat more familiar to me (and the version is not excluded, as said). I don't feel any clear sensing from her