Examples of Socionics Alpha types

[Rusal]

If what you see as Si in SEI is not something you see in SLI - then your identification of at least one of the types is obviously problematic

Type looks change from quadra to quadra and enhanced elements. What I see in Hunnibee I don't see in Andrey Tarkovsky, typed SLI by Gulenko nor in the SLI-Te I'm currently dealing with.

She seems most like LSI, in my opinion.

Her typing as SEI is rather noncontroversial IMO. Unfortunately we can't see her in other environments to get more information. I don't share your opinion that her gaze looks unpleasant in the way Beta ST eyes must look unpleasant to Deltas. John Travolta's eyes don't look like hers, they're rather warm yet his movements in those comedies (when acting) from the 90s indicate SLE.

[nifl]

@Rusal
Ego functions especially, but also dichotomies will give resemblances in types. Mirror, kindred and look-a-like appear the most similar in their expression. ''Enhanced elements'' is just the individual and their enormous amount of non-type personality elements, inborn and learned.
Tarkovsky is not SLI.

>I don't share your opinion that her gaze looks unpleasant in the way Beta ST eyes must look unpleasant to Deltas.
You're less likely to be Delta, then. She does not have a comfortable look.

>John Travolta's eyes don't look like hers, they're rather warm yet his movements in those comedies (when acting) from the 90s indicate SLE.
Probably SLE, yes. He appears less cold (he's an extravert, so he's more open), but warm? Not really - but moreso than the average SLE, I'll say. If you see him as ''warm'', then consider IEI, EIE.

[Rusal]

@blaecaedre I will trust Gulenko over you for the same reason I tend to do: his typings match my perceptions. SLE-C's eyes the warmest (when in a good mood). My type has already been decided. I just don't post it. But I can tell you I have low perception of activity-dualization with Hunnibee hence: not LSI. And since it can't be true that I think Travolta's eyes are warm because of positive ITR according to you then the disconnect I perceive from HunniBee cannot indicate mine would her would be a rewarding one...no?

[nifl]

But I can tell you I have low perception of activity-dualization with Hunnibee hence: not LSI. And since it can't be true that I think Travolta's eyes are warm because of positive ITR according to you then the disconnect I perceive from HunniBee cannot indicate mine would her would be a rewarding one...no?

Liking SLE but disliking LSI - possible for SEI, ILI. As there's no video of you, I'm not confident in any.

>it can't be true that I think Travolta's eyes are warm because of positive ITR according to you
It can. People usually like their preferred first dichotomy more, and ethical types may see their preferred logic as ''warm'' in their own weird way. It's usually associated with ethics, though.

[Rusal]

Liking SLE but disliking LSI - possible for SEI, ILI. As there's no video of you, I'm not confident in any

Ah, but I don't dislike LSIs, see. Real ones (check G. typing of forum members and his LSI typings to understand who I get along with). And IRL LSI are more accessible than SLEs when in a group. You're piling up a load of misconceptions there.

[nifl]

Ah, but I don't dislike LSIs, see. Real ones (check G. typing of forum members and his LSI typings to understand who I get along with). And IRL LSI are more accessible than SLEs when in a group. You're piling up a load of misconceptions there.

Gulenko uses a lot of dubious speculation such as DCNH to justify his typings. Socionics is speculative enough as it is.
>And IRL LSI are more accessible than SLEs when in a group.
Yes, introverts are more accessible than extraverts. Totally not a misconception.

Read the basic theory and try to apply it, then you'll better understand what is a misconception and what isn't.

[Rusal]

Read the basic theory and try to apply it, then you'll better understand what is a misconception and what isn't.

In the case of HunniBee we're not dealing with theory rather experience because of the very nature of material we have access to. People recognize favorable ITR subconsciously and her relaxed, somewhat tired eyes is not what an IEI (the fastest NF to kick it off with an LSI) would be looking for. Control, action over reality is what an IEI is looking for (because its dissipates their own problems with tangible reality with a Ti slant = refreshing for Beta NFs).- Funny that you make so much of the eyes and you think that soft, friendly, relaxed, dispersed not focused, glazed over stare Hunni has is what would make an IEI tick and close the distance. Get real...
Beta NFs want subtle signs in body language and eyes for LSI that hint at precision, control and structure, ability to accept and move in a hierarchy/system. None of that is clear in Hunni. I think being opposite quadra is messing with your perceptions of what cues NFs are looking for, you speak 'likeability' but you don't understand it in Beta.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

SEI

I find this girl very disgusting. No way she's an alpha SF. Don't understand what people like about this garbage. I find noises that people make while eating something very unpleasant.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

ILE

[The Reality Denialist]

SEI

Umm.. hits right between SEI and ESE.

But why SEI > ESE?

[Rusal]

Umm.. hits right between SEI and ESE.

But why SEI > ESE?

Girls like her tend to score introvert in more popular MBTI tests and they're not 'enthusiatically caretaking' as are ESEs.

[Rusal]

Dougherty Dozen - ESE

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

ILE

[nifl]

perhaps SEI

[The Reality Denialist]

Stuff Made Here ILE

[nifl]

LII
if not then LSI

[The Reality Denialist]

Karen Puzzles ESE. She has some weird ass Ti seeking going on.

[The Reality Denialist]

She kinda looks like Rusal

BTW
Finally some reel SF fingerprints.

She is like equations OMG... hide.. save your ass.

That being said I happen to know one ESE math teacher (she has MSc in mathematics). Freaks of nature do happen. She even acts like OMG hard stuff...help me... yet she has done something many logic won't even dare to try.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Freaks of nature do happen. She even acts like OMG hard stuff...help me... yet she has done something many logic won't even dare to try.

That's because she is a fucking IEI and not an ESE lmao geez

[Park]

Tom Cavanagh (ILE)



I really liked him in Ed, which was probably a very Delta-esque show. Watched it when I was growing up.

[Bethanyclaire]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHSA2C-0ees

Rachel Bilson- Sei-si

[Averroes]

ESE

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ch8WH...d=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[welcometomania]

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

LII

[nifl]

ILE

[AWellArmedCat]

Xiaomanyc - ESE

[Bethanyclaire]

Julie Copper character (and actress probs) - ESE-si. Such a good character. Reminds me of my mum.

[Tallmo]

Jussi Halla-Aho LII-N

@Sanguine Miasma

[timber]

In the case of HunniBee we're not dealing with theory rather experience because of the very nature of material we have access to. People recognize favorable ITR subconsciously and her relaxed, somewhat tired eyes is not what an IEI (the fastest NF to kick it off with an LSI) would be looking for. Control, action over reality is what an IEI is looking for (because its dissipates their own problems with tangible reality with a Ti slant = refreshing for Beta NFs).- Funny that you make so much of the eyes and you think that soft, friendly, relaxed, dispersed not focused, glazed over stare Hunni has is what would make an IEI tick and close the distance. Get real...
Beta NFs want subtle signs in body language and eyes for LSI that hint at precision, control and structure, ability to accept and move in a hierarchy/system. None of that is clear in Hunni. I think being opposite quadra is messing with your perceptions of what cues NFs are looking for, you speak 'likeability' but you don't understand it in Beta.

Ya, exactly.

[timber]

Jussi Halla-Aho LII-N

@Sanguine Miasma

Do you see a difference between this guy and Ehkart Tolle?

[Tallmo]

Do you see a difference between this guy and Ehkart Tolle?

There are no subtitles but I can tell you that Halla-Aho is very analytical. Always to the point and nothing superfluous. I see him as clearly LII-N.

I havn't warched Tolle for some years. I would have to do it again. But Tolle seems different, from what I remember.

[nifl]

mb LII
?
not excluding ILE, IEI

[Averroes]

Destiny - Ti-ILE

[nifl]

mb ILE/EIE
not excluding IEE

[timber]

Melanie Rose, designer of high end homes and decor. The host of NetFlix's How to Build a Sex Room.

ESFj-Fe

With tact, aplomb, visible cheekiness, and ability to immediately disarm people emotionally, she helps couples in all states of relationship, build sex rooms based on their own individual tastes and needs. I think only a proper English grandma can get on top of a sex saddle and get spanked while laughing. This show is filled with Si perforated by disarming Fe+. Sensations, colour, textures, mood, ambiance, space, feelings. Leathers, whips, chains, feathers, decor, lights, shades, fantasies, exploring play. These are sensing types of information that are meant to make you "feel" and therefore connect.

I think its time to get away from alphas as being these asexual, angels. BTW, I think Melanie is one of the best examples of ESFj woman to come up in my observations of socionics for years.

"Everywhere she tries to create a holiday atmosphere. With the aid of others this is easily accomplished, without bragging, by charging those that surround her by her enthusiasm, energy and high tone"

Yes.

"She assumes that others will seek her out and share their happiness, which she’ll then increase."

Yes. The premise of the show.

"ESE is the romantic and aesthete, loves to create a warm social atmosphere. This is noticable in the external manner of her behaviour: after meeting a familiar she will stop and give the gift of her radiant smile (men of this type will bow). One of an ESE’s greatest pleasures is in entrusting gifts to others. Their principal goal in this to is to give another pleasure, to become a witness of their happiness."

Yes. Watch Melanie in the show do this naturally in every scene. She gives couples the gift of pleasure and happiness. Basically watch these couples reactions.

"Like no one else, ESE is capable of organizing their surrounding space in the best way, to make it comfortable and convenient. Frequently she possesses excellent artistic taste. She wants everything around her to be beautiful; for happy eyes answer to people’s prosaic needs."

Yes. Sometimes socionics is really easy.








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tnSATOIWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgiuEwDM0k

[nifl]

ILE-Ne

possibly, but i'm in doubt if she's logical

[Renna]

No, her gaze is tough, cold - unpleasant for Delta

LSI most likely
seems introvert, but SLE is second most likely
ESI is excluded, definitely, and SEI, SEE are highly unlikely

I don't know about her in anyway, but by all of my Gamma NT instinct, she is Alpha SF. Omg this uneasy and annoying feeling come out of know where, no logical reason behind it.

[nifl]

I don't know about her in anyway, but by all of my Gamma NT instinct, she is Alpha SF. Omg this uneasy and annoying feeling come out of know where, no logical reason behind it.

i'm less sure about LSI atm
not excluding Rusal's typing

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

ILE

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

SEI